Thread for Kenny and Fairy to hijack for their foreplay

[Age]

“An observant person is an open person, and, the Truly intelligent people, in Life, are the Truly open ones.”

There is no person observing, the person is the observed as a concept known, that knows nothing.

But, oh my how 'you' are so Wrong, again, here.

Although, and again, the ultimate Truths, which you are so desperately wanting to convey, here, exists within your words, or ramblings, 'the way' 'you' go about expressing them is completely defeating what you are so desperately wanting to achieve, here.

For example, you human beings exist, which is undeniable. you individual and separate human beings have eyes, and when working, they can observe and see. Now, within human bodies there are personalities, and/or persons. These persons, who are continually being formed by what the body experiences, and/or observes, form perspectives, within the.bidy, these perspectives then influence how you people then 'kook at', and thus 'observe', and then 'see' things, which in turn then influence 'the same'.

Therefore, there actually are persons observing.

Now, a person, or you people, can be observed as well. Which is what the 'I' does, and 'I' do. And, when 'I' am doing it, here, 'I' notice that 'you' keep saying, 'concepts, themselves, can not know things, as though there is some thing that thinks or believes otherwise, which as 'I' have already informed 'you' id does not exist. As for if you persons know things, or not, the answer to 'this' is blatantly obvious when one considers if any of 'you', people, know what 'that body' ate for breakfast, or not.

That is what metaphysical understanding is all about.

Even the term or phrase 'metaphysical understanding' an be seen as absurd and nonsensical. If the word 'metaphysics' is in relation to 'that', which can not be verified, proved, nor understood, then the term 'metaphysical understanding' would just be another oxymoron and 'self-contradiction'.

Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?

[Fairy]

“An observant person is an open person, and, the Truly intelligent people, in Life, are the Truly open ones.”

There is no person observing, the person is the observed as a concept known, that knows nothing.

But, oh my how 'you' are so Wrong, again, here.

Although, and again, the ultimate Truths, which you are so desperately wanting to convey, here, exists within your words, or ramblings, 'the way' 'you' go about expressing them is completely defeating what you are so desperately wanting to achieve, here.

For example, you human beings exist, which is undeniable. you individual and separate human beings have eyes, and when working, they can observe and see. Now, within human bodies there are personalities, and/or persons. These persons, who are continually being formed by what the body experiences, and/or observes, form perspectives, within the.bidy, these perspectives then influence how you people then 'kook at', and thus 'observe', and then 'see' things, which in turn then influence 'the same'.

Therefore, there actually are persons observing.

Now, a person, or you people, can be observed as well. Which is what the 'I' does, and 'I' do. And, when 'I' am doing it, here, 'I' notice that 'you' keep saying, 'concepts, themselves, can not know things, as though there is some thing that thinks or believes otherwise, which as 'I' have already informed 'you' id does not exist. As for if you persons know things, or not, the answer to 'this' is blatantly obvious when one considers if any of 'you', people, know what 'that body' ate for breakfast, or not.

That is what metaphysical understanding is all about.

Even the term or phrase 'metaphysical understanding' an be seen as absurd and nonsensical. If the word 'metaphysics' is in relation to 'that', which can not be verified, proved, nor understood, then the term 'metaphysical understanding' would just be another oxymoron and 'self-contradiction'.

Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?

You have zero understanding of what I’m talking about. And that’s perfectly fine. You can only understand your own personal metaphysics according to your own perception and how you choose to put it into words.

You cannot tell another person how to put metaphysics into words, nor tell them they lack understanding, or that they are wrong. That’s like saying what is should not be like that, and that it should be like something else, which is absurd. And is nothing short of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic of course.

[Fairy]

“Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?”

I’ve already explained this to you multiple times before, the reason why, so I’m not going to do it anymore.
It’s plainly obvious you have an extremely short memory span, that or either you simply do not read my comments throughly enough, which is very common due to most people’s laziness. People just want all the answers to be given to them without them having to do any of the introspective thinking for themselves. You have to find the answers yourself, you have to do the work. And this kind of work requires a lot of thinking and can take many years to mature in your mind.

Try listening very carefully before responding to my comments, listening helps enormously. Try also to refrain from shooting down nearly everything you read on this forum. It’s such an annoying habit you developed.

[Age]

“An observant person is an open person, and, the Truly intelligent people, in Life, are the Truly open ones.”

There is no person observing, the person is the observed as a concept known, that knows nothing.

But, oh my how 'you' are so Wrong, again, here.

Although, and again, the ultimate Truths, which you are so desperately wanting to convey, here, exists within your words, or ramblings, 'the way' 'you' go about expressing them is completely defeating what you are so desperately wanting to achieve, here.

For example, you human beings exist, which is undeniable. you individual and separate human beings have eyes, and when working, they can observe and see. Now, within human bodies there are personalities, and/or persons. These persons, who are continually being formed by what the body experiences, and/or observes, form perspectives, within the.bidy, these perspectives then influence how you people then 'kook at', and thus 'observe', and then 'see' things, which in turn then influence 'the same'.

Therefore, there actually are persons observing.

Now, a person, or you people, can be observed as well. Which is what the 'I' does, and 'I' do. And, when 'I' am doing it, here, 'I' notice that 'you' keep saying, 'concepts, themselves, can not know things, as though there is some thing that thinks or believes otherwise, which as 'I' have already informed 'you' id does not exist. As for if you persons know things, or not, the answer to 'this' is blatantly obvious when one considers if any of 'you', people, know what 'that body' ate for breakfast, or not.

That is what metaphysical understanding is all about.

Even the term or phrase 'metaphysical understanding' an be seen as absurd and nonsensical. If the word 'metaphysics' is in relation to 'that', which can not be verified, proved, nor understood, then the term 'metaphysical understanding' would just be another oxymoron and 'self-contradiction'.

Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?

You have zero understanding of what I’m talking about. And that’s perfectly fine. You can only understand your own personal metaphysics according to your own perception and how you choose to put it into words.

You cannot tell another person how to put metaphysics into words, nor tell them they lack understanding, or that they are wrong. That’s like saying what is should not be like that, and that it should be like something else, which is absurd. And is nothing short of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic of course.

Yet here you are telling me that my understanding is wrong, that I have absolutely no understanding, and that my understanding should not be like that, and that it should be like something else. Is this because of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic?

Or, do you believe that you have not been doing these things?

[Fairy]

But, oh my how 'you' are so Wrong, again, here.

Although, and again, the ultimate Truths, which you are so desperately wanting to convey, here, exists within your words, or ramblings, 'the way' 'you' go about expressing them is completely defeating what you are so desperately wanting to achieve, here.

For example, you human beings exist, which is undeniable. you individual and separate human beings have eyes, and when working, they can observe and see. Now, within human bodies there are personalities, and/or persons. These persons, who are continually being formed by what the body experiences, and/or observes, form perspectives, within the.bidy, these perspectives then influence how you people then 'kook at', and thus 'observe', and then 'see' things, which in turn then influence 'the same'.

Therefore, there actually are persons observing.

Now, a person, or you people, can be observed as well. Which is what the 'I' does, and 'I' do. And, when 'I' am doing it, here, 'I' notice that 'you' keep saying, 'concepts, themselves, can not know things, as though there is some thing that thinks or believes otherwise, which as 'I' have already informed 'you' id does not exist. As for if you persons know things, or not, the answer to 'this' is blatantly obvious when one considers if any of 'you', people, know what 'that body' ate for breakfast, or not.




Even the term or phrase 'metaphysical understanding' an be seen as absurd and nonsensical. If the word 'metaphysics' is in relation to 'that', which can not be verified, proved, nor understood, then the term 'metaphysical understanding' would just be another oxymoron and 'self-contradiction'.

Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?

You have zero understanding of what I’m talking about. And that’s perfectly fine. You can only understand your own personal metaphysics according to your own perception and how you choose to put it into words.

You cannot tell another person how to put metaphysics into words, nor tell them they lack understanding, or that they are wrong. That’s like saying what is should not be like that, and that it should be like something else, which is absurd. And is nothing short of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic of course.

Yet here you are telling me that my understanding is wrong, that I have absolutely no understanding, and that my understanding should not be like that, and that it should be like something else. Is this because of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic?

Or, do you believe that you have not been doing these things?

Try listening very carefully before responding to my comments, listening helps enormously. Try also to refrain from shooting down nearly everything you read on this forum. It’s such an annoying habit you’ve unfortunately developed.

If you understood what I understand, then you wouldn’t be constantly shooting my message down, finding so many faults with it like you do constantly.

It really is perfectly ok to tell another person you don’t understand what they are talking about. But it’s not ok to tell them they don’t understand what they clearly do understand. That’s just absurd behaviour. A behaviour you irritatingly mastered.

[Age]

“Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?”

I’ve already explained this to you multiple times before, the reason why, so I’m not going to do it anymore.

Lol okay.

If this is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then this is perfectly fine with me.

It’s plainly obvious you have an extremely short memory span, that or either you simply do not read my comments throughly enough, which is very common due to most people’s laziness.

If you say and believe so, then okay.

People just want all the answers to be given to them without them having to do any of the introspective thinking for themselves.

LOL the question asked for clarification was asked in relation to what you do, only. But, you expect 'me' to answer 'for you', which is Truly beyond absurdity.

You have to find the answers yourself, you have to do the work. And this kind of work requires a lot of thinking and can take many years to mature in your mind.

LOL

you could not be more lost and confused, here.

[Fairy]

“Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?”

I’ve already explained this to you multiple times before, the reason why, so I’m not going to do it anymore.

Lol okay.

If this is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then this is perfectly fine with me.

It’s plainly obvious you have an extremely short memory span, that or either you simply do not read my comments throughly enough, which is very common due to most people’s laziness.

If you say and believe so, then okay.

People just want all the answers to be given to them without them having to do any of the introspective thinking for themselves.

LOL the question asked for clarification was asked in relation to what you do, only. But, you expect 'me' to answer 'for you', which is Truly beyond absurdity.

You have to find the answers yourself, you have to do the work. And this kind of work requires a lot of thinking and can take many years to mature in your mind.

LOL

you could not be more lost and confused, here.

Your last comment I points to your own ignorance, not mine.

By the way Age. I’m a new member on another forum now, a metaphysics forum dealing with this topic exclusively.

One has to know their subject on that forum which I do. I wouldn’t dare or have the audacity to join that forum unless I already knew what I was talking about. People are banned from that forum for being ignorant of the topic and for wasting peoples time, especially those who are well crafted in their knowledge. The point is that’s how I personally vibe. I prefer advanced levels of understanding when it comes to the nature of self and reality and all metaphysical matters.

[Age]

You have zero understanding of what I’m talking about. And that’s perfectly fine. You can only understand your own personal metaphysics according to your own perception and how you choose to put it into words.

You cannot tell another person how to put metaphysics into words, nor tell them they lack understanding, or that they are wrong. That’s like saying what is should not be like that, and that it should be like something else, which is absurd. And is nothing short of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic of course.

Yet here you are telling me that my understanding is wrong, that I have absolutely no understanding, and that my understanding should not be like that, and that it should be like something else. Is this because of your own shortcomings, and ego wanting to dominate the topic?

Or, do you believe that you have not been doing these things?

Try listening very carefully before responding to my comments, listening helps enormously. Try also to refrain from shooting down nearly everything you read on this forum. It’s such an annoying habit you’ve unfortunately developed.

If you understood what I understand, then you wouldn’t be constantly shooting my message down, finding so many faults with it like you do constantly.

I just seek clarity from you. That you are unable to provide it shows, and proves, that you do not yet actually understand it, well enough.

It is as simple as, 'If you can not explain it simply, then you do not yet understand it well enough'.

It really is perfectly ok to tell another person you don’t understand what they are talking about. But it’s not ok to tell them they don’t understand what they clearly do understand.

Okay. So, you do not understand what you are talking about.

That’s just absurd behaviour. A behaviour you irritatingly mastered.

That you keep proving over and over again, here, shows and proves, clearly, that you do not understand what you profess you clearly do.

[Fairy]

I just seek clarity from you. That you are unable to provide it shows, and proves, that you do not yet actually understand it, well enough.

I understand perfectly my own understanding, I clarify for myself what defines clarity for me personally.

If you don’t see any clarity in what is perfect clarity for me here, then I suggest you seek your own clarity for whatever knowledge it is you are looking for that meets with your particular demand.

Clarity is something you arrive at yourself. No one can give it to you, if they could it wouldn’t be yours, it would be theirs, so it’s you who has to do the work yourself. Not others.

I cannot put my clarity into more simpler terms than I have done so already, and it’s perfectly clear that you are hell bent on not accepting it, that’s your problem, not mine.

[Age]

“Why do you sometimes not quote me so that I do not get notifications of your replies, while at other times you do quite me so that I do get notifications?”

I’ve already explained this to you multiple times before, the reason why, so I’m not going to do it anymore.

Lol okay.

If this is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then this is perfectly fine with me.

It’s plainly obvious you have an extremely short memory span, that or either you simply do not read my comments throughly enough, which is very common due to most people’s laziness.

If you say and believe so, then okay.

People just want all the answers to be given to them without them having to do any of the introspective thinking for themselves.

LOL the question asked for clarification was asked in relation to what you do, only. But, you expect 'me' to answer 'for you', which is Truly beyond absurdity.

You have to find the answers yourself, you have to do the work. And this kind of work requires a lot of thinking and can take many years to mature in your mind.

LOL

you could not be more lost and confused, here.

Your last comment I points to your own ignorance, not mine.

By the way Age. I’m a new member on another forum now, a metaphysics forum dealing with this topic exclusively.

Is that exciting for you?

Also, are you now 'trying to' imply that because you are a new member on a metaphysics forum, dealing with metaphysics exclusively, then this means that you must therefore now understand metaphysics, itself?

If no, then why are you trying to convey, here, exactly?

One has to know their subject on that forum which I do.

Once more, for the very slow of learners, just because one says or claim some thing never ever means that what that one says or claims is even remotely true, let alone actually absolutely True.

I wouldn’t dare or have the audacity to join that forum unless I already knew what I was talking about.

To say and/or claim, 'I know what I am talking about', while not providing any thing to that affect is another example of just how self-delusional some really were.

People are banned from that forum for being ignorant of the topic and for wasting peoples time, especially those who are well crafted in their knowledge.

So what? you are a 'new member', right?

Also, one could just become a 'new member', never say a word for years and years, so never get banned, and then say and claim some thing like, 'I have never been banned for years, therefore 'I must know what I am talking about'.

your attempts at 'logical reasoning', here, is not really working, for you, at all.

The point is that’s how I personally vibe. I prefer advanced levels of understanding when it comes to the nature of self and reality and all metaphysical matters.

Okay. Is there any possibility, at all, that you are just another case of one with what is called the "dunning kruger effect"? Or, is this not a possibility at all in regards to you?

[Age]

I just seek clarity from you. That you are unable to provide it shows, and proves, that you do not yet actually understand it, well enough.

I understand perfectly my own understanding, I clarify for myself what defines clarity for me personally.

Which is, really, not very helpful, especially in a public forum.

If you don’t see any clarity in what is perfect clarity for me here, then I suggest you seek your own clarity for whatever knowledge it is you are looking for that meets with your particular demand.

If, to you, you have 'perfect clarity' that, 'you know that there is no thing that knows things', and can not see the blatantly obvious contradiction, here, then okay.

Clarity is something you arrive at yourself. No one can give it to you, if they could it wouldn’t be yours, it would be theirs, so it’s you who has to do the work yourself. Not others.

If this is what you believe is true, on a philosophy or any other forum, then you have given "yourself" permission to say and claim absolutely any thing you like, without any responsibility at all to clarify nor to back up your claims.

I cannot put my clarity into more simpler terms than I have done so already,

Once again, if you can not explain it simply, then you do not understand it well enough.

and it’s perfectly clear that you are hell bent on not accepting it,

Really?

Could it not be the case that it is perfectly clear that you are so-called 'hell bent' 'trying to' deceive and fool the readers, here?

that’s your problem, not mine.

The term and phrase, 'That is your problem', is, also, nonsensical.

[Fairy]

“Which is, really, not very helpful, especially in a public forum.”

Happy to have been a help to you.

Now, find your own answers, lazy.

[Gary Childress]

'Now' is an illusion. Past, present and future coexist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsw99SSwKc

For the religious nuts on here this is not a 'subjective opinion'. GPS has to be constantly adjusted to compensate for relativity.

Weird stuff. So Neil Armstrong saying "one small step," is now buzzing through the universe at the speed of radio waves. And someone out there is seeing it "now", except they're far away from us in the direction the radio signals are heading away from us. So they're experiencing our past while we're living our "now." But if the universe is the same for all observers, then those who live in the past "really" are in the past and those who live in the future, "really" are in the future. Is that correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzN5YwMzv0

Ugh. This ain't Kansas no more.

[Atla]

Two things. Einstein has shown that there is no absolute spatiotemporal now, the spatiotemporal now is dependent on a reference frame. But everything still coexists in the eternal now.

[Gary Childress]

What's even weirder is that my own words typed on the Internet don't feel like they're mine anymore. It's like I'm a different person from the one who typed the words only a few minutes ago. I wonder if knowledge changes the future, meaning when we learn something new, we deviate from the trajectory we were once on? Is that possible? Or are we doomed to continue in the direction we were headed at the time before we learned something?