Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Belinda]

Good idea Age

True. He wouldn't know anything. He's only the son of the Hamas founder and was born and brought up in ''Palestine''. He wouldn't know anything and he certainly wouldn't know as much about where he comes from as wokie wankers from 'the West' do

What happens when a "jew" speaks 'ill' of "israel" dropping bombs and blowing up children and babies?

What happens when one from "israel" who speaks of the atrocity of "Israel" allowing human beings, including children and babies, to die if forced starvation?

Just out of curiosity "accelafine", to you, could the people of "gaza" ever do any thing Right, and conversely, could the people of "israel" ever do any thing Wrong?

Good luck to you Age if you are attempting to get much sense from an ignoramus who uses substandard cliches like "wokey"

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Still can't help peeking. Demented old fool

I see that politically toxic posts should be FOEd

Yes, and irrational and agist ones. And I helped not peeking. It doesn't, sorry, they don't, have a British sense of humour.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

True. He wouldn't know anything. He's only the son of the Hamas founder and was born and brought up in ''Palestine''. He wouldn't know anything and he certainly wouldn't know as much about where he comes from as wokie wankers from 'the West' do

What happens when a "jew" speaks 'ill' of "israel" dropping bombs and blowing up children and babies?

What happens when one from "israel" who speaks of the atrocity of "Israel" allowing human beings, including children and babies, to die if forced starvation?

Just out of curiosity "accelafine", to you, could the people of "gaza" ever do any thing Right, and conversely, could the people of "israel" ever do any thing Wrong?

Good luck to you Age if you are attempting to get much sense from an ignoramus who uses substandard cliches like "wokey"

With a mute 'e'! Dear oh dear.

[accelafine]

True. He wouldn't know anything. He's only the son of the Hamas founder and was born and brought up in ''Palestine''. He wouldn't know anything and he certainly wouldn't know as much about where he comes from as wokie wankers from 'the West' do

What happens when a "jew" speaks 'ill' of "israel" dropping bombs and blowing up children and babies?

What happens when one from "israel" who speaks of the atrocity of "Israel" allowing human beings, including children and babies, to die if forced starvation?

Just out of curiosity "accelafine", to you, could the people of "gaza" ever do any thing Right, and conversely, could the people of "israel" ever do any thing Wrong?

Good luck to you Age if you are attempting to get much sense from an ignoramus who uses substandard cliches like "wokey"

Yet you don't have a single counterargument you self-righteous old fraud.

[accelafine]

Still can't help peeking. Demented old fool

I see that politically toxic posts should be FOEd

Yes, and irrational and agist ones. And I helped not peeking. It doesn't, sorry, they don't, have a British sense of humour.

So no argument then. How unexpected, that a proplasticiner would have no knowledge of the region with which to construct an argument.

[accelafine]

Still can't help peeking. Demented old fool

I see that politically toxic posts should be FOEd

Yes, and irrational and agist ones. And I helped not peeking. It doesn't, sorry, they don't, have a British sense of humour.

Is that supposed to mean anything? If you don't have dementia then I'll eat my hat.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

What happens when a "jew" speaks 'ill' of "israel" dropping bombs and blowing up children and babies?

What happens when one from "israel" who speaks of the atrocity of "Israel" allowing human beings, including children and babies, to die if forced starvation?

Just out of curiosity "accelafine", to you, could the people of "gaza" ever do any thing Right, and conversely, could the people of "israel" ever do any thing Wrong?

Good luck to you Age if you are attempting to get much sense from an ignoramus who uses substandard cliches like "wokey"

With a mute 'e'! Dear oh dear.

Ah. The mute 'e' is yourself Belinda! Not poor accelafine, who IS a Brit, God bless her, because 'wanker'. But so un-Britsish! Unfortunately, not really. We do swivel eyed, fascist loon, Daily Heil readers. So accelafine, my unhumble apologies for imputing a mute 'e' error to you! And I assumed you were wrongly attributing a peek to me earlier, do I need to apologise for that too? You might have been attributing it to Belinda. But would you have called her senile? Possibly. Answers on a postcode please. The correct term would have been anile, if you were. Because you'll never believe what Latin for 'old woman' is. It puts a whole new meaning on me and my old woman.

[accelafine]

... accelafine, who IS a Brit....incoherent senile ramblings...blah de blah blah

And poor senile MPC must be an American because Americans think there are only two kinds of people in the world: Ameircans and 'Brits' Tragic morons.

[RWStanding]

Do we answer this question merely in regards to the immediate war. Or do we answer it in a long historical perspective? Britain had the Palestine Mandate not an Israel Mandate, which did not exist before WW2. If Palestine had been recognised as a state in 1946 along with an area as Israel, with UN oversight and temporary control, the present situation may never have arisen. If Israel had been prevented from invading Gaza a couple of years ago, and the UN and others had take control......! The present situation with Gaza and the West Bank has arisen from a hundred years of vacillation and humbug. The greatest humbug is President Trump

[accelafine]

FFS. Everyone's such an 'expert'. They could have called it 'Palestine' instead of Israel if they had wanted to. Or 'Judea'. What difference does it make? 'Palestinians' only chose to call themselves that in the 1960s. Before that they were Arabs, or Jordanians, or Syrians, or Egyptians. Prior to 1948 both Jews and Arabs were referred to as 'Palestinians' under the British Mandate.
So what the fuck difference does it make now?

[Belinda]

Do we answer this question merely in regards to the immediate war. Or do we answer it in a long historical perspective? Britain had the Palestine Mandate not an Israel Mandate, which did not exist before WW2. If Palestine had been recognised as a state in 1946 along with an area as Israel, with UN oversight and temporary control, the present situation may never have arisen. If Israel had been prevented from invading Gaza a couple of years ago, and the UN and others had take control......! The present situation with Gaza and the West Bank has arisen from a hundred years of vacillation and humbug. The greatest humbug is President Trump

We have to answer it regarding the immediate war, and moreover as immediately as humanly possible in order to gain the result of stopping Israeli aggression, Hamas is not an immediate problem. Immediacy is the clue to what is the best moral stance.

[accelafine]

Do we answer this question merely in regards to the immediate war. Or do we answer it in a long historical perspective? Britain had the Palestine Mandate not an Israel Mandate, which did not exist before WW2. If Palestine had been recognised as a state in 1946 along with an area as Israel, with UN oversight and temporary control, the present situation may never have arisen. If Israel had been prevented from invading Gaza a couple of years ago, and the UN and others had take control......! The present situation with Gaza and the West Bank has arisen from a hundred years of vacillation and humbug. The greatest humbug is President Trump

We have to answer it regarding the immediate war, and moreover as immediately as humanly possible in order to gain the result of stopping Israeli aggression, Hamas is not an immediate problem. Immediacy is the clue to what is the best moral stance.

Who is 'we'? Is that supposed to mean anything?

[accelafine]

Obviously Israel can't just sit back and continue to live next door to people who behead its babies, rape its women, torture its toddlers to death, burn its families alive, take hostages and then torture them for years.... Imagine any other country being told to put up with that.
Unlike other countries Israel has leaders who actually care about Israelis, and people who care about each other. It's unique in that way.

After 9/11 the US attacked almost the entire Middle East (excluding Saudi Arabia of course-- for obvious reasons...) Millions dead or displaced. Ruined countries. Radical islamist extremism in control. Dragged on for decades. And what do wokie Americans call their military thugs who did this? They call them 'heroes'.
There was barely a wimper from anyone over it, least of all wokedom. Where have all the wokies been hiding? Where were the student protests? They all slithered out from under their rocks as soon as Israel was attacked....to ATTACK it more....People make me sick.

[popeye1945]

Genocide is always WRONG!

[MikeNovack]

We have to answer it regarding the immediate war, and moreover as immediately as humanly possible in order to gain the result of stopping Israeli aggression, Hamas is not an immediate problem. Immediacy is the clue to what is the best moral stance.

Is that an argument for a strange sort of RELATIVE morality?

Hamas not an immediate threat to you, so it would be wrong for you to wage war against Hamas. But wait a minute, it's not YOUR actions that are in question. You are not making war on anybody.

Is Hamas an immediate threat to an Israeli? Certainly would seem so post 10/7.

BUT, because YOU are not threatened by Hamas you are saying that wrong for an Israeli to make war on Hamas?