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Physicalism is an abstraction that says that abstractions don't really exist and are therefore mere bullshit. Well, I guess that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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godelian wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:23 am Physicalism is an abstraction that says that abstractions don't really exist and are therefore mere bullshit. Well, I guess that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Not at the same time to two observers though :wink:
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godelian wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:23 am Physicalism is an abstraction that says that abstractions don't really exist and are therefore mere bullshit. Well, I guess that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Physicalism is the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter; it is difficult to prove or negate.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:29 am Physicalism is the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter
Physicalism is "the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter". All I see, is a sentence and not matter. So, "physicalism" is itself not matter.
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In linguistics, heterological (from Greek "heteros" meaning "other" and "logos" meaning "word") refers to a word that does not describe itself. In simpler terms, it's an adjective that is not true of itself. This contrasts with autological (or homological) words, which do describe themselves.
The term "physicalism" insists that "all is matter" but it is itself not matter. Therefore, it is itself the best counterexample to its own claim.
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godelian wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:48 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:29 am Physicalism is the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter
Physicalism is "the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter". All I see, is a sentence and not matter. So, "physicalism" is itself not matter.
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In linguistics, heterological (from Greek "heteros" meaning "other" and "logos" meaning "word") refers to a word that does not describe itself. In simpler terms, it's an adjective that is not true of itself. This contrasts with autological (or homological) words, which do describe themselves.
The term "physicalism" insists that "all is matter" but it is itself not matter. Therefore, it is itself the best counterexample to its own claim.
There is a great misunderstanding here. Physicalism is the view that all is as it seems, all is physical, and it opposes the concept of idealism, in which all is mind.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:56 am
godelian wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:48 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:29 am Physicalism is the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter
Physicalism is "the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter". All I see, is a sentence and not matter. So, "physicalism" is itself not matter.
Gemini

In linguistics, heterological (from Greek "heteros" meaning "other" and "logos" meaning "word") refers to a word that does not describe itself. In simpler terms, it's an adjective that is not true of itself. This contrasts with autological (or homological) words, which do describe themselves.
The term "physicalism" insists that "all is matter" but it is itself not matter. Therefore, it is itself the best counterexample to its own claim.
There is a great misunderstanding here. Physicalism is the view that all is as it seems, all is physical, and it opposes the concept of idealism, in which all is mind.
Well, yeah, and is the word "physicalism" itself physical?
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godelian wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:53 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:56 am
godelian wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:48 am

Physicalism is "the belief that all of reality is on a physical basis, all is matter". All I see, is a sentence and not matter. So, "physicalism" is itself not matter.



The term "physicalism" insists that "all is matter" but it is itself not matter. Therefore, it is itself the best counterexample to its own claim.
There is a great misunderstanding here. Physicalism is the view that all is as it seems, all is physical, and it opposes the concept of idealism, in which all is mind.
Well, yeah, and is the word "physicalism" itself physical?
Of course it is, all words can only exist in a material way.
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godelian wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:23 am Physicalism is an abstraction that says that abstractions don't really exist and are therefore mere bullshit. Well, I guess that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm not really sure that's what physicalism says... Sounds like a convenient strawman to me.

Worst case scenario is, abstractions exist - as grounded in neuronal patterns, where those abstractions are implemented into a human brain.
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The need here is for everyone to define their terms; it's presently not making a lot of sense.
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