Is Reality Simply a Mental Construct?

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We know that the lungs breathe, the heart beats, the blood courses through the veins, the liver and kidneys purify, and the brain is a mind detector.

These elements of form need not function perfectly to recognize a functional reality for staying alive, staying alive. Thanks to the wonders of modern science, carbonized lungs, bad hearts, arterial sclerosis, jaundice, renal failure and cluelessness are now challenges rather than finish lines.

In terms of why, does the mind create that situation?

Some say yes, which means there's a case to be made, somewhere, hopefully ...
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The falling tree creates waves in the air and ground.
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Walker wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:15 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:34 pm
If mind can be divided, and this division occurs through mind as the act of division itself, then mind is contradictory by nature.
Contradictions don't exist in nature, they are prompted by dualistic interpretation of reality.

So, you're a merely man.

You have already, merely connected mind to a "Construct" with the headline question.

A Construct is a Thing.

So that you can relate, I’m merely explaining, which so far has been ignored with a dismissal.

- To understand how a particular statement can be true proceeds on the assumption that it is true, whether or not it actually is. Then the new understanding becomes a matter of figuring out, rather than demanding that it be figured out for you.

- To assert how something cannot be true proceeds by asserting the limitations of one’s knowledge, which can have the effect of changing a discussion into a defense of those limitations that uncomprehend how a particular statement can be true.

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Geshe Gyatso notes:
“Although mind lacks form it can nevertheless be related to form.”

Commentary:
- All things have form.
- All things are compounded.
- Mind is not a formed thing.
- Mind can be related to form.
- Mind can be related to a compounded thing.

- And especially, Constructs are compounded things.
From the same source, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso wrote:Divisions of Mind

“There is a twofold division of mind into conceptual minds and non-conceptual minds; a twofold division into sense awarenesses and mental awarenesses; a sevenfold division into direct perceivers, inferential cognizers, re-cognizers, correct beliefs, non-ascertaining perceivers, doubts, and wrong awarenesses; a twofold division into valid cognizers and non-valid cognizers; and finally another twofold division into primary minds and mental factors.”
Interpretations are bound within nature for the act of distinction is an integral act of existence, without distinction there is no form or order, hence nothing, and yet if distinction occurs there is opposition and separation resulting in disorder. Reality is paradoxical transformation as evidenced by the change in things through the simultaneous creation and dissolution of the very same limits that allow them to be.

To interpret is to act, and nature exists through action.
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Walker wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:47 am We know that the lungs breathe, the heart beats, the blood courses through the veins, the liver and kidneys purify, and the brain is a mind detector.

These elements of form need not function perfectly to recognize a functional reality for staying alive, staying alive. Thanks to the wonders of modern science, carbonized lungs, bad hearts, arterial sclerosis, jaundice, renal failure and cluelessness are now challenges rather than finish lines.

In terms of why, does the mind create that situation?

Some say yes, which means there's a case to be made, somewhere, hopefully ...
Maybe creation is less of the word given these cycles you observe represent themselves occuring through the mind itself and more of than not directing it. If reality is purely 'mind', which potentially is the case to some, then it is subject to form and the mind is less of a standalone reality. Mind as subject to this form results in a paradox as it by nature is relative to from, relates to form, this mind may be seen as a process of relations, the occurrence of occurrence.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:09 am The falling tree creates waves in the air and ground.
Would the tree being able to even fall if there where no effects from it falling? Is there cause without effect? If not than the point may be reversed, the tree fell because of the potential waves in the air and ground, the cause is caused by the effect.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:34 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:09 am The falling tree creates waves in the air and ground.
Would the tree being able to even fall if there where no effects from it falling? Is there cause without effect? If not than the point may be reversed, the tree fell because of the potential waves in the air and ground, the cause is caused by the effect.
Surely, in Tenet fashion, the effect precedes the cause, their roles are reversed? I particularly like the sequence where a large ship is under way and the bow wave is a wake, but feels both, superpositioned.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:44 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:34 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:09 am The falling tree creates waves in the air and ground.
Would the tree being able to even fall if there where no effects from it falling? Is there cause without effect? If not than the point may be reversed, the tree fell because of the potential waves in the air and ground, the cause is caused by the effect.
Surely, in Tenet fashion, the effect precedes the cause, their roles are reversed? I particularly like the sequence where a large ship is under way and the bow wave is a wake, but feels both, superpositioned.
Cause and effect are simultaneous, in this dimension of our minds we see them as linear. Cause and effect are simultaneous because they are distinctions interwoven within each other by nature of their relationship of contrast.

Because they are simultaneous it can be argued that cause leads to effect and effect leads to cause.

As far as I am aware it can be stated that cause is merely potentiality negated into actuality where potentiality negates itself by its own nature of negation. Potentiality is the negation of limits as it is non-actuality, this leads to a paradox though as potentiality is a limit to the actual for it is non-actual.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:51 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:44 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:34 pm

Would the tree being able to even fall if there where no effects from it falling? Is there cause without effect? If not than the point may be reversed, the tree fell because of the potential waves in the air and ground, the cause is caused by the effect.
Surely, in Tenet fashion, the effect precedes the cause, their roles are reversed? I particularly like the sequence where a large ship is under way and the bow wave is a wake, but feels both, superpositioned.
Cause and effect are simultaneous, in this dimension of our minds we see them as linear. Cause and effect are simultaneous because they are distinctions interwoven within each other by nature of their relationship of contrast.

Because they are simultaneous it can be argued that cause leads to effect and effect leads to cause.

As far as I am aware it can be stated that cause is merely potentiality negated into actuality where potentiality negates itself by its own nature of negation. Potentiality is the negation of limits as it is non-actuality, this leads to a paradox though as potentiality is a limit to the actual for it is non-actual.
Either way real physical things exist even when there are no mentally constructing beings existing. As has already been proved True, and Correct.
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It is a relational world, the relational union of subject and object. The fact is that being is a cause to other beings. We are all reactive creatures in that we react to the physical world, and our reactions are then cause to the outside world. There is no such thing as human action; there is only human reaction, for all behaviours are motivated and motivated spell's reaction, not action. Actions are for the gods. Apparent reality is a mental construct in that it is a biological readout of the alterations made to the organism's body by the forces and forms of the outside world. All beings are imperfections that find relations with other imperfections to produce emergent imperfections that relate to a higher realm in which to adapt. The organism adapts to its changing world, and the world adapts to its changing cosmos. Imperfections are the major reason evolutionary adaptation succeeds in matching adaptive imperfections with higher realm imperfections, so that all things are coming to be in an ever-changing process. A distinction must be made between apparent reality and what science calls ultimate reality. Apparent reality is a reality of things, while ultimate reality is a place of no things. The ultimate reality is energy. It is as if the forces and forms of ultimate reality play upon biological organisms as an instrument, and the melody it plays is apparent reality, a melody only the organism can hear, see, and feel, a subjective world of experience.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:51 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:44 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:34 pm

Would the tree being able to even fall if there where no effects from it falling? Is there cause without effect? If not than the point may be reversed, the tree fell because of the potential waves in the air and ground, the cause is caused by the effect.
Surely, in Tenet fashion, the effect precedes the cause, their roles are reversed? I particularly like the sequence where a large ship is under way and the bow wave is a wake, but feels both, superpositioned.
Cause and effect are simultaneous, in this dimension of our minds we see them as linear. Cause and effect are simultaneous because they are distinctions interwoven within each other by nature of their relationship of contrast.

Because they are simultaneous it can be argued that cause leads to effect and effect leads to cause.

As far as I am aware it can be stated that cause is merely potentiality negated into actuality where potentiality negates itself by its own nature of negation. Potentiality is the negation of limits as it is non-actuality, this leads to a paradox though as potentiality is a limit to the actual for it is non-actual.
At the Planck scale, quantum mechanics and general relativity converge, so simultaneity becomes meaningless, as does the 'arrow' of time. But immediately above that, in observation, we have the 'wave function collapse' and clocks tick. If one zeroes in, as you have done on that very phenomenon, the relativity of simultaneity comes storming in again. Reality gets more tenuously fuzzy the closer one looks from the mesoscopic.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:13 am If the senses cannot be sensed through the senses than is experience of external reality merely a process of the mind?
Your wording is sloppy but I think you're actually touching on a real point.

The "reality" we experience (as distinct from reality-as-it-is) is absolutely a mental construct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_illu ... n%20to%20a
In the philosophy of mind, the user illusion is a metaphor for a proposed description of consciousness that argues that conscious experience does not directly expose objective reality, but instead provides a simplified version of reality that allows humans to make decisions and act in their environment, akin to a computer desktop. According to this picture, our experience of the world is not immediate, as all sensation requires processing time. It follows that our conscious experience is less a perfect reflection of what is occurring, and more a simulation produced subconsciously by the brain.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:57 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:13 am If the senses cannot be sensed through the senses than is experience of external reality merely a process of the mind?
Your wording is sloppy but I think you're actually touching on a real point.

The "reality" we experience (as distinct from reality-as-it-is) is absolutely a mental construct.
But, 'Reality as it is' is 'experienced', seen, smelt, heard, felt, and tasted, exactly, as It is. How the already influenced 'thoughts', within, 'perceive' 'Reality', Itself, AFTER 'Reality', Itself, has been 'sensed', through the five senses, is, however, a completely different story.

So, the One and only 'Reality' that you human beings 'experience' is one thing, your 'mental construct' of 'Reality', Itself, AFTERWARDS is a completely different thing.


Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:57 pm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_illu ... n%20to%20a
In the philosophy of mind, the user illusion is a metaphor for a proposed description of consciousness that argues that conscious experience does not directly expose objective reality, but instead provides a simplified version of reality that allows humans to make decisions and act in their environment, akin to a computer desktop. According to this picture, our experience of the world is not immediate, as all sensation requires processing time. It follows that our conscious experience is less a perfect reflection of what is occurring, and more a simulation produced subconsciously by the brain.
A new born baby has a perfect reflection of 'Reality', Itself. It is only you older ones, who have been, what some call, 'brain washed' by distorted or Wrong views, beliefs, and/or teachings, who have a somewhat different perspective of 'Reality' from what 'Reality as It is', is, exactly.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:15 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:51 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:44 pm
Surely, in Tenet fashion, the effect precedes the cause, their roles are reversed? I particularly like the sequence where a large ship is under way and the bow wave is a wake, but feels both, superpositioned.
Cause and effect are simultaneous, in this dimension of our minds we see them as linear. Cause and effect are simultaneous because they are distinctions interwoven within each other by nature of their relationship of contrast.

Because they are simultaneous it can be argued that cause leads to effect and effect leads to cause.

As far as I am aware it can be stated that cause is merely potentiality negated into actuality where potentiality negates itself by its own nature of negation. Potentiality is the negation of limits as it is non-actuality, this leads to a paradox though as potentiality is a limit to the actual for it is non-actual.
At the Planck scale, quantum mechanics and general relativity converge, so simultaneity becomes meaningless, as does the 'arrow' of time. But immediately above that, in observation, we have the 'wave function collapse' and clocks tick. If one zeroes in, as you have done on that very phenomenon, the relativity of simultaneity comes storming in again. Reality gets more tenuously fuzzier the closer one looks from the mesoscopic.
It was views and beliefs like 'these' Truly absurd and ridiculous ones why these human beings, back when this was being written, were all 'fuzzy' and 'frizzled', here.

And, has been continuously proved True, when they were questioned and challenged over their views and/or beliefs, they would just falter and fail. Which, again, is why they were completely lost and confused, here.

Instead of just becoming Honest, and thus open, the older ones much preferred to insist that their 'current' views and beliefs were what is right and true, in Life. Thus why they relatively never progressed and moved forward.
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Age wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:03 pm
Too bad you're impossible to talk to. This could have been an interesting conversation.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:37 pm
Age wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:03 pm
Too bad you're impossible to talk to. This could have been an interesting conversation.
Okay. If 'this' is what you believe is true, then 'this' is what will happen and occur.
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