My thoughts on Israel

[Scott Mayers]

I can't help that the etymology of words is politically affected. While my own assertion is guesswork to a degree on etymology, we have no choice with respect to terms that DO have a high circumstantial likelihood of being altered. Almost all the names in the Bible(s) are actually secular-based words.

On your school trip thing, I think you are probably not telling us everything. I'm guessing you were intentional to say that you are not an Israeli. But were you on one of the Israelism trips that Israel sponsors for JEWS? Or was it one with some Christian group. WHERE IS YOUR SCHOOL? It has to be nearby if you weren't being sponsored or that trip from living afar would seem an odd place to choose to go ....and with a whole class?

I think you are leaving something out. And why would you assert these as 'thoughts on Israel' in the still obviously weird context of a kind of happy-go-lucky vacation to Disneyland during a hurricane. !

Guesswork is not usually recommended as the best way of conducting historical or etymological research. In any case, as I'm sure you must be aware, the German word for Jew, for example, is Jude, which makes its derivation from Judah even more obvious.

What I actually said is that I'm not Jewish, but since you asked, I'm not Israeli, either. I'm English, and my school is in Worcester, England. The trip wasn't sponsored by Israel, and was funded by the school itself, with parental contributions, as an educational trip for the sixth form. In different years they go to different places, but for us, it was Israel.

If you think I'm leaving something out about the trip, please feel free to ask anything you like. I'm always happy to go on at length about places I've visited.

I heard you but just disagree. You CAN infer likelihoods regarding terms given 'memes' because they act as 'genes' that hint at origins. I also ONLY use them to show POSSIBLE rational roots. When you look at multiple names within religious scriptures, especially the collections that became the Judeao-Christian-Muslim sources, you CAN find TOO much 'coincidences' that point to my conjectures. But these are only SUPPORTS of where I come from regarding any religious roots.

I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places. I apologize if this discussion was not what you intended. But I only read it in the first place due to the title alone. I do thank you for HOW you respond respectfully, though. If you feel I am hijacking your intent, just let me know and I'll stop discussing that here.

[accelafine]

None of that even means anything. 'Open air concentration camp'. JFC. Where are you from? All you are doing is regurtating generic bs that you've been fed on your Israel-hating algorithm. At least try to be original and informed (but you never will). That would involve leaving your trendy little cult with your Thunbergs and fellow teatowel wearing wankers. How about defining what you mean by 'Zionist' before throwing the word around? Don't be shy. As for blaming those children for being tortured to death and kidnapped. You sick fuck.

I think on my own and have ALWAYS had an issue with ANY country founded upon fascism. And YOU are actually just the kind of recruit that fascists love.

I argued first that Zionism IS a 'Jewish Fascist' ideology given it ...

(1) ...believes they deserve a state for some presumed belief that they inherit some genetic 'right' to have a state of their own.

If you want sincere debate, just begin with this claim because you are only resorting to insults without substance. So I ask you what you think of the definition. If you disagree, what is 'fascism' to you? Please take care to define it without the way politics changes the definitions of prior 'evil' states; Instead, define it by HOW THEY SOLD it to the people. That is, what is the main basis of that movement that attracted ANYONE?

[I numbered this to help reference my arguments. I was going to write more but think that we'd need a step by step investigation IF YOU ARE GAME. Challenge this one claim on definition by either agreeing or expressing what YOU think, 'fascism' means.]

Meaningless babble. " I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places''. What the fuck does even mean??
You don't have a clue what fascism means, or what Zionism WAS. Hint: Israel exists. No need for Zionism now.
Aren't you Australian? Fuck off out of it then.

[Scott Mayers]

None of that even means anything. 'Open air concentration camp'. JFC. Where are you from? All you are doing is regurtating generic bs that you've been fed on your Israel-hating algorithm. At least try to be original and informed (but you never will). That would involve leaving your trendy little cult with your Thunbergs and fellow teatowel wearing wankers. How about defining what you mean by 'Zionist' before throwing the word around? Don't be shy. As for blaming those children for being tortured to death and kidnapped. You sick fuck.

I think on my own and have ALWAYS had an issue with ANY country founded upon fascism. And YOU are actually just the kind of recruit that fascists love.

I argued first that Zionism IS a 'Jewish Fascist' ideology given it ...

(1) ...believes they deserve a state for some presumed belief that they inherit some genetic 'right' to have a state of their own.

If you want sincere debate, just begin with this claim because you are only resorting to insults without substance. So I ask you what you think of the definition. If you disagree, what is 'fascism' to you? Please take care to define it without the way politics changes the definitions of prior 'evil' states; Instead, define it by HOW THEY SOLD it to the people. That is, what is the main basis of that movement that attracted ANYONE?

[I numbered this to help reference my arguments. I was going to write more but think that we'd need a step by step investigation IF YOU ARE GAME. Challenge this one claim on definition by either agreeing or expressing what YOU think, 'fascism' means.]

Meaningless babble. You don't have a clue what fascism means, or what Zionism WAS. Hint: Israel exists. No need for Zionism now.
Aren't you Australian? Fuck off out of it then.

So what is 'fascism'? If you know better, PLEASE help me! Why are you holding back from demonstrating you aren't merely just some high school retarded bully trolling me for a rise? If you are SINCERE, answer this or accept that you are only proving who YOU are here.

[accelafine]

I think on my own and have ALWAYS had an issue with ANY country founded upon fascism. And YOU are actually just the kind of recruit that fascists love.

I argued first that Zionism IS a 'Jewish Fascist' ideology given it ...

(1) ...believes they deserve a state for some presumed belief that they inherit some genetic 'right' to have a state of their own.

If you want sincere debate, just begin with this claim because you are only resorting to insults without substance. So I ask you what you think of the definition. If you disagree, what is 'fascism' to you? Please take care to define it without the way politics changes the definitions of prior 'evil' states; Instead, define it by HOW THEY SOLD it to the people. That is, what is the main basis of that movement that attracted ANYONE?

[I numbered this to help reference my arguments. I was going to write more but think that we'd need a step by step investigation IF YOU ARE GAME. Challenge this one claim on definition by either agreeing or expressing what YOU think, 'fascism' means.]

Meaningless babble. You don't have a clue what fascism means, or what Zionism WAS. Hint: Israel exists. No need for Zionism now.
Aren't you Australian? Fuck off out of it then.

So what is 'fascism'? If you know better, PLEASE help me! Why are you holding back from demonstrating you aren't merely just some high school retarded bully trolling me for a rise? If you are SINCERE, answer this or accept that you are only proving who YOU are here.

You're the one who keeps using that word, idiot. Awww, a widdle man whining about being 'bullied'. A man who in a previous post blamed babies for being tortured to death. You are pathetic. How about just posting something that makes sense instead of displaying your illiteracay and ignorance?

[Scott Mayers]

You're the one who keeps using that word, idiot. Awww, a widdle man whining about being 'bullied'. A man who in a previous post blamed babies for being tortured to death. You are pathetic. How about just posting something that makes sense instead of displaying your illiteracay and ignorance?

I already told you that I've been remaining kind to you. Believe me, if you met me personally, you'd be changing your tune. But yes, you are clearly 'bullying' here. I keep my own threatening language to be in person if I have a problem with them, not hiding behind some cowardly anonymity. If you've got something worth debating, I'm for it. But you aren't even bothering to explain yourself here and are emoting like a little bitch in heat.

So unless you have anything substantial to say, I won't bother investing in reading nor responding further to your sad derailing responses.

[accelafine]

You're the one who keeps using that word, idiot. Awww, a widdle man whining about being 'bullied'. A man who in a previous post blamed babies for being tortured to death. You are pathetic. How about just posting something that makes sense instead of displaying your illiteracay and ignorance?

I already told you that I've been remaining kind to you. Believe me, if you met me personally, you'd be changing your tune. But yes, you are clearly 'bullying' here. I keep my own threatening language to be in person if I have a problem with them, not hiding behind some cowardly anonymity. If you've got something worth debating, I'm for it. But you aren't even bothering to explain yourself here and are emoting like a little bitch in heat.

So unless you have anything substantial to say, I won't bother investing in reading nor responding further to your sad derailing responses.

Hilarious. Dwelling on irrelevancies to deflect from the fact that you have nothing. What 'threats'? If anyone's being threatening it's you. Just read back over your own comment, dipshit. You've done nothing but post whiny deflections and ad homs. You are truly pathetic. I've heard that Aussies are the stupidest people on earth. Even stupider than Americans.
All I've done is establish that you don't have a clue what 'fascist' means. You don't have a clue what a concentration camp is. You don't have a clue what a 'Zionist' is. You believe that children are asking to be tortured to death because they are foolish enough to have the 'wrong' kind of parents.
You are a sick little man--and a very stupid one.
There are no fascist countries in the world today. It's not a subtle thing. A country can't be a 'little bit fascist'. If a country is fascist then it's going to be pretty damn obvious to the rest of the world

[Maia]

I can't help that the etymology of words is politically affected. While my own assertion is guesswork to a degree on etymology, we have no choice with respect to terms that DO have a high circumstantial likelihood of being altered. Almost all the names in the Bible(s) are actually secular-based words.

On your school trip thing, I think you are probably not telling us everything. I'm guessing you were intentional to say that you are not an Israeli. But were you on one of the Israelism trips that Israel sponsors for JEWS? Or was it one with some Christian group. WHERE IS YOUR SCHOOL? It has to be nearby if you weren't being sponsored or that trip from living afar would seem an odd place to choose to go ....and with a whole class?

I think you are leaving something out. And why would you assert these as 'thoughts on Israel' in the still obviously weird context of a kind of happy-go-lucky vacation to Disneyland during a hurricane. !

Guesswork is not usually recommended as the best way of conducting historical or etymological research. In any case, as I'm sure you must be aware, the German word for Jew, for example, is Jude, which makes its derivation from Judah even more obvious.

What I actually said is that I'm not Jewish, but since you asked, I'm not Israeli, either. I'm English, and my school is in Worcester, England. The trip wasn't sponsored by Israel, and was funded by the school itself, with parental contributions, as an educational trip for the sixth form. In different years they go to different places, but for us, it was Israel.

If you think I'm leaving something out about the trip, please feel free to ask anything you like. I'm always happy to go on at length about places I've visited.

I heard you but just disagree. You CAN infer likelihoods regarding terms given 'memes' because they act as 'genes' that hint at origins. I also ONLY use them to show POSSIBLE rational roots. When you look at multiple names within religious scriptures, especially the collections that became the Judeao-Christian-Muslim sources, you CAN find TOO much 'coincidences' that point to my conjectures. But these are only SUPPORTS of where I come from regarding any religious roots.

I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places. I apologize if this discussion was not what you intended. But I only read it in the first place due to the title alone. I do thank you for HOW you respond respectfully, though. If you feel I am hijacking your intent, just let me know and I'll stop discussing that here.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that Israel is defined "indifferently" to fascism, but what I can say with certainty is that Israel is a free democracy, and the very opposite of a fascist state. Discussing this here is exactly what I intended.

[Scott Mayers]

Guesswork is not usually recommended as the best way of conducting historical or etymological research. In any case, as I'm sure you must be aware, the German word for Jew, for example, is Jude, which makes its derivation from Judah even more obvious.

What I actually said is that I'm not Jewish, but since you asked, I'm not Israeli, either. I'm English, and my school is in Worcester, England. The trip wasn't sponsored by Israel, and was funded by the school itself, with parental contributions, as an educational trip for the sixth form. In different years they go to different places, but for us, it was Israel.

If you think I'm leaving something out about the trip, please feel free to ask anything you like. I'm always happy to go on at length about places I've visited.

I heard you but just disagree. You CAN infer likelihoods regarding terms given 'memes' because they act as 'genes' that hint at origins. I also ONLY use them to show POSSIBLE rational roots. When you look at multiple names within religious scriptures, especially the collections that became the Judeao-Christian-Muslim sources, you CAN find TOO much 'coincidences' that point to my conjectures. But these are only SUPPORTS of where I come from regarding any religious roots.

I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places. I apologize if this discussion was not what you intended. But I only read it in the first place due to the title alone. I do thank you for HOW you respond respectfully, though. If you feel I am hijacking your intent, just let me know and I'll stop discussing that here.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that Israel is defined "indifferently" to fascism, but what I can say with certainty is that Israel is a free democracy, and the very opposite of a fascist state. Discussing this here is exactly what I intended.

I defined fascism earlier, I believe. "Indifferent" means 'without a difference or distinction'. If you don't like the term being defined by the original meanings, then ...

Is Israel a "state that is defined to be by and for ONE specific ethnicity." ?

And note that a VETO power automatically grants the Jewish or Semitic peoples the ONLY right to drop any bill proposed, or what is the meaning of a "Jewish" state? A "Racist" is one who believes that their own RACIALIZED ethnicity is 'superior' to SOME other ....or equally, that one that believes SOME ethnicity as 'inferior', such as the Israeli stereotypes against Palestinians.

If you again disagree, define 'racism'.

Then, define 'democracy'. My own is a 'governing system that (a) places the sovereignty to the people, not God nor to some racial class, that (b) grants ALL PEOPLE equivalence in POWER to vote and to participate as ONE PERSON, regardless of race, ethnicity, or other genetic class description. "Demo-" refers to the people, NOT a specific subset of them. And then tell me if they'd let the non-Jew be more than 49% of the population.(?)

And no need to reflect that the Palestinians are comparable. I don't support ANY theocratic factor defining a country. If one PRETENDS (and both sides do) that you can be a 'democracy' while placing the invisible magic 'superior' being at the head of a country's constitution, they are dangerous and deluded.

So?

[accelafine]

I heard you but just disagree. You CAN infer likelihoods regarding terms given 'memes' because they act as 'genes' that hint at origins. I also ONLY use them to show POSSIBLE rational roots. When you look at multiple names within religious scriptures, especially the collections that became the Judeao-Christian-Muslim sources, you CAN find TOO much 'coincidences' that point to my conjectures. But these are only SUPPORTS of where I come from regarding any religious roots.

I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places. I apologize if this discussion was not what you intended. But I only read it in the first place due to the title alone. I do thank you for HOW you respond respectfully, though. If you feel I am hijacking your intent, just let me know and I'll stop discussing that here.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that Israel is defined "indifferently" to fascism, but what I can say with certainty is that Israel is a free democracy, and the very opposite of a fascist state. Discussing this here is exactly what I intended.

I defined fascism earlier, I believe. "Indifferent" means 'without a difference or distinction'. If you don't like the term being defined by the original meanings, then ...

Is Israel a "state that is defined to be by and for ONE specific ethnicity." ?

And note that a VETO power automatically grants the Jewish or Semitic peoples the ONLY right to drop any bill proposed, or what is the meaning of a "Jewish" state? A "Racist" is one who believes that their own RACIALIZED ethnicity is 'superior' to SOME other ....or equally, that one that believes SOME ethnicity as 'inferior', such as the Israeli stereotypes against Palestinians.

If you again disagree, define 'racism'.

Then, define 'democracy'. My own is a 'governing system that (a) places the sovereignty to the people, not God nor to some racial class, that (b) grants ALL PEOPLE equivalence in POWER to vote and to participate as ONE PERSON, regardless of race, ethnicity, or other genetic class description. "Demo-" refers to the people, NOT a specific subset of them. And then tell me if they'd let the non-Jew be more than 49% of the population.(?)

And no need to reflect that the Palestinians are comparable. I don't support ANY theocratic factor defining a country. If one PRETENDS (and both sides do) that you can be a 'democracy' while placing the invisible magic 'superior' being at the head of a country's constitution, they are dangerous and deluded.

So?

So the aussie Jew-hater is back, the one who's squatting on Aboriginal land. How's the 'genocide' going in your 'fascist apartheid state'?

[accelafine]

Cue sobbing accusations of 'bullying'. Anything to avoid an actual response

[attofishpi]

Yep, the Jews have far more right to the lands of the area than ANY Arab-Muslim - Islam only formed rather recently around 7th Century via an Arabian paedophile warlord.

Islam still condones paedophilia as per their Hadiths, and killing of non-believers thus is a cancer that the Jews have been on the frontline of having to deal with since MorHamMad started slaughtering them in their homeland around 666AD.

The likes of Mayers that walk around streets of Sydney waving the "Palestinian" flag in support of the ideology of HATE, Islam and its evil terrorists in Hamas truly should learn about the history of the area and how evil Islam is.

The best option is for other Islamic nations to take in the people of the Gaza strip and for Israel to take what is rightfully the land of the Jews. But, as you can see by the massive barbed wire fence bordering Egypt, ALL fear these indoctrinated in the cesspit of Islamic hate people. As attested by the son of Hamas leader that has joined the IDF and saved thousands of lives, he was taught as a child in Gaza to HATE Jews - yep, children being taught HATE not love....mothers that want their children to be "martyred" in service to Allah

Mosab Hassan Yousef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VPFw0vI6U&t=1s


A history lesson for the LEFTIST Hamas, Jew hating idiots..

Canaanites and Ancient Israel:

The Canaanites were a group of ancient people who lived in the land of Canaan, a region that roughly corresponds to modern-day Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, and parts of Jordan and Syria.
Around the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age (circa 1200 BCE), a group known as the Israelites emerged in the central highlands of Canaan.

Cultural and Religious Influence:

The early Israelites were influenced by Canaanite culture and religion. Archaeological evidence and textual analysis show that there was significant interaction and syncretism between Canaanite and Israelite religious practices.
Many deities and religious symbols from Canaanite religion were integrated into the early Israelite religion. For example, the Canaanite god El appears in the Hebrew Bible as a name for God, and the goddess Asherah is mentioned in relation to early Israelite worship practices.

Understand this - they were from basically the same area and morphed together to a great degree - in the area of present day Israel. Divine revelation eventually formed Judaism of the ISRAELITES and they moved from polytheism to monotheism.


Canaanites and Israelites merged 3224 years ago...

The Jews have been dealing with the Arabs raping and kidnapping of their people for about 1000 years as condoned by the words from the evil MorHamMad in the Quran. The Jews (Israelites) have far MORE right to ALL of the land.


Civil War and Declaration of Israel:

Following the UN partition plan's adoption, violence erupted between Jewish and Arab communities in Palestine. As the British prepared to withdraw, the conflict escalated into a full-scale civil war.
On May 14, 1948, the Jewish leadership declared the establishment of the State of Israel (remember the Israelites were there 3224 years ago). The following day, neighbouring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded, marking the beginning of the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.


Displacement of Palestinian Arabs:
During the 1948 war, a large number of Palestinian Arabs were displaced from their homes, an event Palestinians refer to as the Nakba (catastrophe). Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees were created, and this displacement remains a core issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

So who started the Arab-Israeli war of 1948?:- The following day - after simply correctly labelling the area ISRAEL, neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded..

So the "Palestinian" Arabs (Muslims) that were displaced from their homes AFTER the above occurred - were displaced ONLY because of the above.

There are plenty of moderate Muslims living alongside in peace with Jews in Israel right now. The ones that follow their commandment since the 7th century - to kill all Jews - should f-OFF to whatever Islamic cuntry will accept them -none will..look what happened to Lebanon, Jordan, Iran. All Islamic countries want the conflict to continue - the majority of Muslims want ALL Jews to be annihilated, as commanded by MorHamMad. He was rather annoyed around the year 666 when they basically laughed at him with his claims of divinity, thus his hatred and slaughtering of them commenced.

[Maia]

I heard you but just disagree. You CAN infer likelihoods regarding terms given 'memes' because they act as 'genes' that hint at origins. I also ONLY use them to show POSSIBLE rational roots. When you look at multiple names within religious scriptures, especially the collections that became the Judeao-Christian-Muslim sources, you CAN find TOO much 'coincidences' that point to my conjectures. But these are only SUPPORTS of where I come from regarding any religious roots.

I am against Israel's state of existence on the basis that it is DEFINED indifferently to 'fascism' as I express in many places. I apologize if this discussion was not what you intended. But I only read it in the first place due to the title alone. I do thank you for HOW you respond respectfully, though. If you feel I am hijacking your intent, just let me know and I'll stop discussing that here.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that Israel is defined "indifferently" to fascism, but what I can say with certainty is that Israel is a free democracy, and the very opposite of a fascist state. Discussing this here is exactly what I intended.

I defined fascism earlier, I believe. "Indifferent" means 'without a difference or distinction'. If you don't like the term being defined by the original meanings, then ...

Is Israel a "state that is defined to be by and for ONE specific ethnicity." ?

And note that a VETO power automatically grants the Jewish or Semitic peoples the ONLY right to drop any bill proposed, or what is the meaning of a "Jewish" state? A "Racist" is one who believes that their own RACIALIZED ethnicity is 'superior' to SOME other ....or equally, that one that believes SOME ethnicity as 'inferior', such as the Israeli stereotypes against Palestinians.

If you again disagree, define 'racism'.

Then, define 'democracy'. My own is a 'governing system that (a) places the sovereignty to the people, not God nor to some racial class, that (b) grants ALL PEOPLE equivalence in POWER to vote and to participate as ONE PERSON, regardless of race, ethnicity, or other genetic class description. "Demo-" refers to the people, NOT a specific subset of them. And then tell me if they'd let the non-Jew be more than 49% of the population.(?)

And no need to reflect that the Palestinians are comparable. I don't support ANY theocratic factor defining a country. If one PRETENDS (and both sides do) that you can be a 'democracy' while placing the invisible magic 'superior' being at the head of a country's constitution, they are dangerous and deluded.

So?

If you're indifferent to something, it means that you don't care about it. It does not mean "not different".

I was not aware that the constitution of Israel gives the Jewish people the right to veto any bill, and, since Israel is a secular state, I'd be extremely surprised if such a clause exists. How would it even be implemented? Still, if you think it does exist, please provide a link.

It's not at all uncommon, though, for a particular state to be defined in terms of ethnicity. In fact, most states are, at least in origin. England, for example, means the land of the English. This does not mean, of course, that other people can't live there. How many should do so, and how much they should be expected to integrate, is currently the single most important issue in English politics, a pattern that is being repeated across the Western world.

In the case of Israel, as I've said before, around 20% of its citizens are Arab Muslims. Palestinians, in other words, if you prefer that term, but fully integrated into Israeli society. Arabic is one of the four main languages of Israel, along with Hebrew, English, and Russian, and all of those can be heard everywhere in the country, on the street, in shops, restaurants, and so on. It's very much a polyglot sort of place, and not a monoculture.

[Gary Childress]

And note that a VETO power automatically grants the Jewish or Semitic peoples the ONLY right to drop any bill proposed, or what is the meaning of a "Jewish" state? A "Racist" is one who believes that their own RACIALIZED ethnicity is 'superior' to SOME other ....or equally, that one that believes SOME ethnicity as 'inferior', such as the Israeli stereotypes against Palestinians.

According to ChatGPT

No, Jews do not have any formal or legal "special veto power" in the Israeli government. However, there are some important nuances that may explain why this question arises:

All citizens, Jewish or not, have equal rights to vote and participate in government.

https://chatgpt.com/share/685d50e6-b234 ... 0038fe1a35

[accelafine]

And note that a VETO power automatically grants the Jewish or Semitic peoples the ONLY right to drop any bill proposed, or what is the meaning of a "Jewish" state? A "Racist" is one who believes that their own RACIALIZED ethnicity is 'superior' to SOME other ....or equally, that one that believes SOME ethnicity as 'inferior', such as the Israeli stereotypes against Palestinians.

According to ChatGPT

No, Jews do not have any formal or legal "special veto power" in the Israeli government. However, there are some important nuances that may explain why this question arises:

All citizens, Jewish or not, have equal rights to vote and participate in government.

https://chatgpt.com/share/685d50e6-b234 ... 0038fe1a35

Mayers is full of crap. He'll have some gibberish non-response. When people are making stuff up and don't have a clue what they are talking about it comes out as gibberish. It's a neuroscientific fact

[attofishpi]

Mayers is full of crap. He'll have some gibberish non-response. When people are making stuff up and don't have a clue what they are talking about it comes out as gibberish. It's a neuroscientific fact

I agree, also am sick of "Quote of the Day" being always at the top of Lounge area.