Reality is Pure Absence

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popeye1945
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Belinda wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:06 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:31 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:28 pm

I don't think you understand what I am saying. Your claiming experience is purely subjective, which means your statement is purely subjective, meaning you cannot speak for any experience but your own.

Your existence is a purely subjective experience. We share as humans a common biology and a very similar experiential life through it. Experience is true to the biology doing the experiencing, but regardless of the same biological constitution, it remains wholly subjective. If you wish to change the experience of your reality, all you need to do is alter your biology, and your experience too will alter. A better life through drugs --lol!! It is all medicine man!! Thanks to the invention of books and other media, today we can gain knowledge of the experiences of other humans, thus expanding our horizons, a secondary source of the meanings common to our species. To the individual, truth is experience; to the collective of individuals it is agreement, meaning a singular subjective experience as opposed to a collective of subjective experiences.

If you alter your biology too much or if you are too scatterbrained you may loose your life or your friends. Trump seems to get away with it. I suppose Trump's dog will still love Trump forever.
Biology is tuned or adapted to its physical environment throw that tuning/adaptation off greatly and you must perish.
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popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:13 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:06 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:31 pm


Your existence is a purely subjective experience. We share as humans a common biology and a very similar experiential life through it. Experience is true to the biology doing the experiencing, but regardless of the same biological constitution, it remains wholly subjective. If you wish to change the experience of your reality, all you need to do is alter your biology, and your experience too will alter. A better life through drugs --lol!! It is all medicine man!! Thanks to the invention of books and other media, today we can gain knowledge of the experiences of other humans, thus expanding our horizons, a secondary source of the meanings common to our species. To the individual, truth is experience; to the collective of individuals it is agreement, meaning a singular subjective experience as opposed to a collective of subjective experiences.

If you alter your biology too much or if you are too scatterbrained you may loose your life or your friends. Trump seems to get away with it. I suppose Trump's dog will still love Trump forever.
Biology is tuned or adapted to its physical environment throw that tuning/adaptation off greatly and you must perish.
"Adapted to its physical environment" omits whether the adaptive organism is an individual, a species, or a society.
Netanyahu and Trump act as if whole societies must be wiped out in order that the species survive.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:45 am
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:13 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:06 pm


If you alter your biology too much or if you are too scatterbrained you may loose your life or your friends. Trump seems to get away with it. I suppose Trump's dog will still love Trump forever.
Biology is tuned or adapted to its physical environment throw that tuning/adaptation off greatly and you must perish.
"Adapted to its physical environment" omits whether the adaptive organism is an individual, a species, or a society.
Netanyahu and Trump act as if whole societies must be wiped out in order that the species survive.
LOL!! Now you're getting into chaos theory, Belinda. Adaptation, no matter at what level, is the relation of imperfections, for imperfections are what we are, and the realms go in all directions, and what emerges is a relational imperfection-- on it goes!
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popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:08 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:16 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:31 pm


Your existence is a purely subjective experience. We share as humans a common biology and a very similar experiential life through it. Experience is true to the biology doing the experiencing, but regardless of the same biological constitution, it remains wholly subjective. If you wish to change the experience of your reality, all you need to do is alter your biology, and your experience too will alter. A better life through drugs --lol!! It is all medicine man!! Thanks to the invention of books and other media, today we can gain knowledge of the experiences of other humans, thus expanding our horizons, a secondary source of the meanings common to our species. To the individual, truth is experience; to the collective of individuals it is agreement, meaning a singular subjective experience as opposed to a collective of subjective experiences.
That statement is purely your subjective state, you cannot speak for others if everything is subjective by your account. I think you fail to see the paradox in making the statement "everything is subjective".
No, not really. To me, you are an object in my world, as is my own body. We assume our commonality of biology and common experience, but we cannot prove it. The world is different to each of us through the differing constitutions of our bodies. If you wish to experience reality differently, simply alter the state of your present biology. Truth to the individual is experience, and to an individual group, it is agreement, as we feel our way through this projected world of biological readout, a reality relative to biology.
If biology alters biology than by default it creates its own contradiction, as it separates itself by differing its states. The biology of one time and space may not be viewed as a biology by a biology in another time and space. Biology is a distinction amidst limitless distinctions.

Realistically any experience can be altered by altering any variable within it...biology is a variable.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:43 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:08 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:16 pm

That statement is purely your subjective state, you cannot speak for others if everything is subjective by your account. I think you fail to see the paradox in making the statement "everything is subjective".
No, not really. To me, you are an object in my world, as is my own body. We assume our commonality of biology and common experience, but we cannot prove it. The world is different to each of us because of the constitution of our bodies. If you wish to experience reality differently, simply alter the state of your present biology. Truth to the individual is experience, and to an individual group, it is agreement, as we feel our way through this projected world of biological readout, a reality relative to biology.
If biology alters biology than by default it creates its own contradiction, as it separates itself by differing its states. The biology of one time and space may not be viewed as a biology by a biology in another time and space. Biology is a distinction amidst limitless distinctions.
Realistically any experience can be altered by altering any variable within it...biology is a variable.
It is not biology that alters biology; it is whatever energies or objects surround us in the outside world. Your biology being changed by the physical world is what gives you an experience and is how you come to know a world at all. You do not experience what is truly out there; you experience how what is out there alters your biology. Your biology/body is the mind's first object/idea and the interface of the conscious mind to the world. Experience is always true to the biology doing the experiencing; if it is impaired, the experience will be true to that impairment. Each organism is the centre of their universe in that it does all experiencing, all the knowing, and is the only possessor of the meanings derived from the experiences of the body and held in the subjective mind.
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Re: Reality is Pure Absence

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:03 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:43 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:08 am

No, not really. To me, you are an object in my world, as is my own body. We assume our commonality of biology and common experience, but we cannot prove it. The world is different to each of us because of the constitution of our bodies. If you wish to experience reality differently, simply alter the state of your present biology. Truth to the individual is experience, and to an individual group, it is agreement, as we feel our way through this projected world of biological readout, a reality relative to biology.
If biology alters biology than by default it creates its own contradiction, as it separates itself by differing its states. The biology of one time and space may not be viewed as a biology by a biology in another time and space. Biology is a distinction amidst limitless distinctions.
Realistically any experience can be altered by altering any variable within it...biology is a variable.
It is not biology that alters biology; it is whatever energies or objects surround us in the outside world. Your biology being changed by the physical world is what gives you an experience and is how you come to know a world at all. You do not experience what is truly out there; you experience how what is out there alters your biology. Your biology/body is the mind's first object/idea and the interface of the conscious mind to the world. Experience is always true to the biology doing the experiencing; if it is impaired, the experience will be true to that impairment. Each organism is the centre of their universe in that it does all experiencing, all the knowing, and is the only possessor of the meanings derived from the experiences of the body and held in the subjective mind.
The conditional nature of biology observes it as less of reality in itself and more of a term for the relation and integration of events.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:25 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:03 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:43 pm

If biology alters biology than by default it creates its own contradiction, as it separates itself by differing its states. The biology of one time and space may not be viewed as a biology by a biology in another time and space. Biology is a distinction amidst limitless distinctions.
Realistically any experience can be altered by altering any variable within it...biology is a variable.
It is not biology that alters biology; it is whatever energies or objects surround us in the outside world. Your biology being changed by the physical world is what gives you an experience and is how you come to know a world at all. You do not experience what is truly out there; you experience how what is out there alters your biology. Your biology/body is the mind's first object/idea and the interface of the conscious mind to the world. Experience is always true to the biology doing the experiencing; if it is impaired, the experience will be true to that impairment. Each organism is the centre of their universe in that it does all experiencing, all the knowing, and is the only possessor of the meanings derived from the experiences of the body and held in the subjective mind.
The conditional nature of biology observes it as less of reality in itself and more of a term for the relation and integration of events.
Yes, I think you have it, although in differing terminology. Think of the physical world as information, and the biology/body as the processor of info in creating apparent reality. Apparent reality depends upon the nature of the information and the nature of the biology that is experiencing it. Creatures with different biologies have different experiences of their apparent reality. Biology is an adaptive imperfection linked to a greater reality of imperfection that, when united, spells success as survival, the lower always adapting its imperfections to that of the larger reality. Knowledge/meaning is biological experience on a subjective level.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:25 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:03 am

It is not biology that alters biology; it is whatever energies or objects surround us in the outside world. Your biology being changed by the physical world is what gives you an experience and is how you come to know a world at all. You do not experience what is truly out there; you experience how what is out there alters your biology. Your biology/body is the mind's first object/idea and the interface of the conscious mind to the world. Experience is always true to the biology doing the experiencing; if it is impaired, the experience will be true to that impairment. Each organism is the centre of their universe in that it does all experiencing, all the knowing, and is the only possessor of the meanings derived from the experiences of the body and held in the subjective mind.
The conditional nature of biology observes it as less of reality in itself and more of a term for the relation and integration of events.
Yes, I think you have it, although in differing terminology. Think of the physical world as information, and the biology/body as the processor of info in creating apparent reality. Apparent reality depends upon the nature of the information and the nature of the biology that is experiencing it. Creatures with different biologies have different experiences of their apparent reality. Biology is an adaptive imperfection linked to a greater reality of imperfection that, when united, spells success as survival, the lower always adapting its imperfections to that of the larger reality. Knowledge/meaning is biological experience on a subjective level.
I think we can conclude our conversations as language games, we appear to be converging to the same point using different terms.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:19 am
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:25 pm

The conditional nature of biology observes it as less of reality in itself and more of a term for the relation and integration of events.
Yes, I think you have it, although in differing terminology. Think of the physical world as information, and the biology/body as the processor of info in creating apparent reality. Apparent reality depends upon the nature of the information and the nature of the biology that is experiencing it. Creatures with different biologies have different experiences of their apparent reality. Biology is an adaptive imperfection linked to a greater reality of imperfection that, when united, spells success as survival, the lower always adapting its imperfections to that of the larger reality. Knowledge/meaning is biological experience on a subjective level.
I think we can conclude our conversations as language games, we appear to be converging to the same point using different terms.
Good, always good to agree.
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