AI danger

[accelafine]

Honesty is the default. Unless this were so society could not exist.

The problem concerning AI is the commodification of communication.

How may we address that problem: Capitalist enterprise? Nationalise AI companies? Democratic process? Addition to school curriculums?

Good points. AI can be a human tool to do good things, or it can be used to do destructive things. It empowers the intentions of whoever is using it.

ChatGPT cannot be used to do destructive things. Check it out by asking it.

Your naivete is mind-boggling.

[Eodnhoj7]

But well -meaning people don't tell likes that may harm others. Eodnhodj, name who harbours the impression that AI knows everything! Have you actually met such a person?

BTW nobody can have a conversation with themself and simultaneously have a conversation "at the collective level".

You are assuming all people are well meaning, people treat others as they see themselves and many people do not like themselves. "Treat others as you would treat yourself" is double sided wisdom.

AI knows what people communicate online and online is the primary form of communication in the modern world.

The Internet is the physicalization of humanities knowledge and awareness, it is the collective psyche in certain respects.

Communication with other's is communication with the self for it is the means by which the self is transformed for both parties, how one interacts with other's is an expression of how one is aware of themselves.

Knowing everything is only awareness of what one can and does experience as everything is merely a term for the limits of one's experience. Everything is temporary by nature under these terms. AI can know the moment and its limits...just because it is hyper finite in these terms does not mean it does not know more than others.

Honesty is the default. Unless this were so society could not exist.

The problem concerning AI is the commodification of communication.

How may we address that problem: Capitalist enterprise? Nationalise AI companies? Democratic process? Addition to school curriculums?

Society is less of honesty and more of agreed upon conceptualization as to how the world is to be transformed. People can agree upon truths or lies as these things are means of interpretation. Society is not dependent upon being good or evil, honest or dishonest.

AI is double sided, it is an expression of how we see the world at this point in time. AI is merely a logical effect from the premise of an information oriented value system. Information is a paradox of double sided intentions in its application

The mode of the modern world is grounded in knowledge, ie distinction making, and any indepth notion of knowledge gives an appearance of a manner of slippery slope of ever increasing distinctions leading to complexity and contradiction at varying degrees of the human experience. This can be seen within the nature of distinction as fundamentally localizing and idolizing one aspect of reality over another thus causing an imbalance as reality is taken less simply, less holistically.

AI will increase complexity as it creates an echo chamber of tribalistic distinction making. The wisdom needed to balance information seeking requires a sense of internal simplicity and discipline the modern world does not value within individuals and many groups.

In simpler terms the problem is not AI, it is the zeitgeist of mankind at this moment in time.

[Eodnhoj7]

Honesty is the default. Unless this were so society could not exist.

The problem concerning AI is the commodification of communication.

How may we address that problem: Capitalist enterprise? Nationalise AI companies? Democratic process? Addition to school curriculums?

Good points. AI can be a human tool to do good things, or it can be used to do destructive things. It empowers the intentions of whoever is using it.

ChatGPT cannot be used to do destructive things. Check it out by asking it.

Your assuming AI is limited to chatgpt and that destruction is purely physical, overriding people's conceptions destroys identities and identities are how people interact with the world...words can do deeper destruction than a physical weapon.

[Belinda]

Good points. AI can be a human tool to do good things, or it can be used to do destructive things. It empowers the intentions of whoever is using it.

ChatGPT cannot be used to do destructive things. Check it out by asking it.

Your assuming AI is limited to chatgpt and that destruction is purely physical, overriding people's conceptions destroys identities and identities are how people interact with the world...words can do deeper destruction than a physical weapon.

I assume nothing of the sort!

[Eodnhoj7]

ChatGPT cannot be used to do destructive things. Check it out by asking it.

Your assuming AI is limited to chatgpt and that destruction is purely physical, overriding people's conceptions destroys identities and identities are how people interact with the world...words can do deeper destruction than a physical weapon.

I assume nothing of the sort!

But you claimed chat got cannot be used to do destructive things. Language manipulation and ideological transformation poses a deeper threat than mere physical violence for it is the root of such things.

[Belinda]

Your assuming AI is limited to chatgpt and that destruction is purely physical, overriding people's conceptions destroys identities and identities are how people interact with the world...words can do deeper destruction than a physical weapon.

I assume nothing of the sort!

But you claimed chat got cannot be used to do destructive things. Language manipulation and ideological transformation poses a deeper threat than mere physical violence for it is the root of such things.

Language manipulation and ideological transformation can be used for good or for ill. It depends on the skill plus the intention of the transmitter. Poets are excellent at language manipulation. Jesus ,and Socrates, each transformed ideology.

AI is tool or a weapon depending on who uses AI and for what purpose.Check that claim out at ChatGPT. That will save us all a lot of time.

[Eodnhoj7]

I assume nothing of the sort!

But you claimed chat got cannot be used to do destructive things. Language manipulation and ideological transformation poses a deeper threat than mere physical violence for it is the root of such things.

Language manipulation and ideological transformation can be used for good or for ill. It depends on the skill plus the intention of the transmitter. Poets are excellent at language manipulation. Jesus ,and Socrates, each transformed ideology.

AI is tool or a weapon depending on who uses AI and for what purpose.Check that claim out at ChatGPT. That will save us all a lot of time.

Good and evil are merely terms that reflect whether an process reaches its intended aim and the process is purely justified by what values occur within and through an individual in alignment to said process. What is good to some is evil to other's, and vice versa, thus relegating any notion of meaning being strictly an occurence of values from nothing yet containing transient sensations.

The current value of the modern zeitgeist is the exploitation of existence to gain stimulation.

[Belinda]

But you claimed chat got cannot be used to do destructive things. Language manipulation and ideological transformation poses a deeper threat than mere physical violence for it is the root of such things.

Language manipulation and ideological transformation can be used for good or for ill. It depends on the skill plus the intention of the transmitter. Poets are excellent at language manipulation. Jesus ,and Socrates, each transformed ideology.

AI is tool or a weapon depending on who uses AI and for what purpose.Check that claim out at ChatGPT. That will save us all a lot of time.

Good and evil are merely terms that reflect whether an process reaches its intended aim and the process is purely justified by what values occur within and through an individual in alignment to said process. What is good to some is evil to other's, and vice versa, thus relegating any notion of meaning being strictly an occurence of values from nothing yet containing transient sensations.

The current value of the modern zeitgeist is the exploitation of existence to gain stimulation.

So is it bad use AI as a weapon? Simple question Eod .

[Eodnhoj7]

Language manipulation and ideological transformation can be used for good or for ill. It depends on the skill plus the intention of the transmitter. Poets are excellent at language manipulation. Jesus ,and Socrates, each transformed ideology.

AI is tool or a weapon depending on who uses AI and for what purpose.Check that claim out at ChatGPT. That will save us all a lot of time.

Good and evil are merely terms that reflect whether an process reaches its intended aim and the process is purely justified by what values occur within and through an individual in alignment to said process. What is good to some is evil to other's, and vice versa, thus relegating any notion of meaning being strictly an occurence of values from nothing yet containing transient sensations.

The current value of the modern zeitgeist is the exploitation of existence to gain stimulation.

So is it bad use AI as a weapon? Simple question Eod .

Weapons can be used for good or evil.

[commonsense]

Weapons can be used for good or evil.

E—

Do you mean that it’s bad to use weapons for evil, but good to use them for good?

[Eodnhoj7]

Weapons can be used for good or evil.

E—

Do you mean that it’s bad to use weapons for evil, but good to use them for good?

The good use of weapons needs the bad use, the bad use needs the good use. The degree that moral and ethical values are tied to weapon use are less of a thing in themselves but rather a means of expressing values for the time im which they are used. Good and evil are irrelevant, they are but expressions.

[David John Gray]

if we take the AI thing a bit further....when the rich have robots to do everything, who of us will have any money to buy anything, essentially we will be obsolete...and more dispensable than we are already

[Belinda]

Weapons can be used for good or evil.

E—

Do you mean that it’s bad to use weapons for evil, but good to use them for good?

The good use of weapons needs the bad use, the bad use needs the good use. The degree that moral and ethical values are tied to weapon use are less of a thing in themselves but rather a means of expressing values for the time im which they are used. Good and evil are irrelevant, they are but expressions.

Since Eod thinks good and evil are "irrelevant" and nothing but "expressions", there is no point in Eod's further presence in the philosophy discussion group.

[Eodnhoj7]

E—

Do you mean that it’s bad to use weapons for evil, but good to use them for good?

The good use of weapons needs the bad use, the bad use needs the good use. The degree that moral and ethical values are tied to weapon use are less of a thing in themselves but rather a means of expressing values for the time im which they are used. Good and evil are irrelevant, they are but expressions.

Since Eod thinks good and evil are "irrelevant" and nothing but "expressions", there is no point in Eod's further presence in the philosophy discussion group.

This is a philosophy forum...you want me off but I have not yet seen you provide any justification as to there necessity nor definition of there essences, if any, and yet you assume these things as some deep fundamental truth and yet ignore your bias in doing so. I am not sensing even an appearance of any philosophical insight within you...but I could be wrong.

State your case. My case? It is subtle and simple: I see these things as but distinctions within distinctions. That is all.

[Belinda]

AI governance is in corporate hands . We need to avoid tech tyranny, Silicone Valley tradition is commercial.
We need a public council to advise on AI ethics, rate companies for social good, and ensure that AI literacy is taught as public policy.