Explanations for existence

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Re: Explanations for existence

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Giygas wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:30 pm
Age wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm

I believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.
Okay, you believe consciousness belongs to all 'living things'. But,

1. What 'living things' are, to you, is different to what 'living things' are, to me and/or others.

2. I asked you, 'Is there 'consciousness' in non-human animals? And, your answer is, 'Yes', correct?

If correct, then I asked you, Does 'meaning' exist to the 'consciousness' in non-human animals?

'We' are still waiting for your answer, and clarification.

Now, as for the rest of what you said and wrote, here, who really cares? If you are going to quote my questions that I proposed, to you, then your answers are what I care much more about.
In my estimation, it is more likely than not that all concious systems survive physical death. This could be for hundreds of trillions of years until the black holes finally evaporate. Or perhaps ghosts are real. Phantom limb syndrome? How about phantom concious systems? Meaning is a useless term for the most part. We are born into the cold steel machinery of a universe that seems to do nothing whatsoever to entail that it wants to help us or knows about us or cares about us. I believe that in a near infinite or infinite multiverse, Gods do emerge. I think there's a chance this God or these Gods can and do perhaps know and care, especially about concious systems that could potentially exist for an ineffable amount of epochs. We can only create meaning by helping ourselves and others. Having some enjoyment when we can.
And, there are other estimations. But, as always, 'Why even estimate', especially when what is actually irrefutably True is already known?
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Re: Explanations for existence

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osgart wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:54 am
I just want to know if existence extends past the physical, and our reality is merely a theatre of passing forms.
If humans didn't always exist, why should we exist at all?
Is the act of human conception purely an accidental byproduct, and never anything more?
Each individuation of properties is not the same but all a part of one reality.
No one really knows if else existences exist, and it's a shot in the dark to comprehend ultimate existence at all. Explaining existence is a fantasy thought. Maybe it's contrivance, and down the rabbit hole is eternal brute fact. What appears now won't always be.
There is a good chance that our apparent reality is a theatre of passing forms, for apparent reality depends for its emergence on the nature of a biological subject and the energies surrounding us. Apparent reality is interpretation, a readout of how those outside energies are altering/changing our standing biology. The why of existence is unanswerable because there is no why; why becomes meaningless. Individuation of properties reminds me of the statement that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, but here we assume a whole, a totality, a closed system, which is not at all evident. We tend to think in terms of reality as composed of things, which, for our subjective reality, is surely true for us. If ultimate reality is energy, then it is a reality not for us, for it would be a place of nothing/no things in the absence of biological consciousness. All things to us appear to be temporal, perhaps due to our limitations.
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Re: Explanations for existence

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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 11:34 am
Age wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:32 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:32 am
I'm Open to That.
So, 'now' 'this one' is admitting that it could be a Truly closed human being, here.
So, 'then' 'that one' is Claiming that it wd[fof8w]et9uvb1, there. Certain it is.
Once again 'this one' provides a prime example of nothing but 'gibberish' when it can not defend its own beliefs
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Re: Explanations for existence

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Emergent intentionality is the measure of all things. From heft, eyeing distance, the distance of thunder, through weights and measures, to physics.
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Re: Explanations for existence

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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 2:04 pm Emergent intentionality is the measure of all things. From heft, eyeing distance, the distance of thunder, through weights and measures, to physics.
Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things; the physical world in the absence of biological consciousness is meaningless. The physical world as object in altering the standing state of one's biology gives the biological subject apparent reality. This emergent apparent reality is biological experience of its altered biology as meaning.
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