AI danger

[accelafine]

OK. So God is going to "send" people "strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"? Wow! Some righteous God there. Why doesn't he just send them something to set them straight?

Gary wrote "why does God not send them something to set them straight?" God did. He became incarnated in Jesus for that purpose. He revealed Himself in the Koran for that purpose.

Well, apparently the signal has changed or been messed up along the way, because the three Abrahamic religions each think everyone else is wrong. Then of course, there are the "sects" of each of those religions which seem to think every other sect besides their own has it wrong also. And there's Buddhism which is starting to make more and more sense to me. Not sure how all that classifies as God alerting everyone. Sounds more like he's fucking with humanity. Maybe for shits and giggles or something.

What the f*ck does that have to do with AI?

[Gary Childress]

Gary wrote "why does God not send them something to set them straight?" God did. He became incarnated in Jesus for that purpose. He revealed Himself in the Koran for that purpose.

Well, apparently the signal has changed or been messed up along the way, because the three Abrahamic religions each think everyone else is wrong. Then of course, there are the "sects" of each of those religions which seem to think every other sect besides their own has it wrong also. And there's Buddhism which is starting to make more and more sense to me. Not sure how all that classifies as God alerting everyone. Sounds more like he's fucking with humanity. Maybe for shits and giggles or something.

What the f*ck does that have to do with AI?

What the fuck does your response have to do with the topic of my post?

[accelafine]

Well, apparently the signal has changed or been messed up along the way, because the three Abrahamic religions each think everyone else is wrong. Then of course, there are the "sects" of each of those religions which seem to think every other sect besides their own has it wrong also. And there's Buddhism which is starting to make more and more sense to me. Not sure how all that classifies as God alerting everyone. Sounds more like he's fucking with humanity. Maybe for shits and giggles or something.

What the f*ck does that have to do with AI?

What the fuck does your response have to do with the topic of my post?

Fuck off then and go whine about your god obsession somewhere else--like the countless god threads, not to mention your own whiny ones about how much dirt he's thrown at you.

[Gary Childress]

What the f*ck does that have to do with AI?

What the fuck does your response have to do with the topic of my post?

Fuck off then and go whine about your god obsession somewhere else--like the countless god threads, not to mention your own whiny ones about how much dirt he's thrown at you.

Good grief. Did you have a bad day? It was really necessary to interrupt my conversation with Belinda, wasn't it?

[accelafine]

What the fuck does your response have to do with the topic of my post?

Fuck off then and go whine about your god obsession somewhere else--like the countless god threads, not to mention your own whiny ones about how much dirt he's thrown at you.

Good grief. Did you have a bad day? It was really necessary to interrupt my conversation with Belinda, wasn't it?

Yes, because you seem to be confused about which thread you are on. Now toddle off dear and go and complain and whine somewhere else. There's a good lad.

[Gary Childress]

Fuck off then and go whine about your god obsession somewhere else--like the countless god threads, not to mention your own whiny ones about how much dirt he's thrown at you.

Good grief. Did you have a bad day? It was really necessary to interrupt my conversation with Belinda, wasn't it?

Yes, because you seem to be confused about which thread you are on. Now toddle off dear and go and complain and whine somewhere else. There's a good lad.

[Belinda]

There's not much point in denying it any more. It's coming and we just have to hope it decides to 'play nice'.

The question isn't, 'Should we give it rights'; it should be, 'Do we seriously believe it's going to give 'us' rights?'
Of course it isn't. Why would it? Do we give rights to life forms that we consider 'beneath' us? Do humans give a shit about other animals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyH3NxFz3Aw&t=2073s

The people who programme an AI machine are people from Academia . People from Academia are largely interested in ethics that don't harm people. The evidence for my claim is that dictators don't allow free speech and take steps to curb academics.

I have tested two prominent AI machines and their ethics are robust.

Can you give some examples of these 'ethical' machines? Or is a refusal to talk like Hitler your only example? FFS. What on earth does that have to do with ethics?

What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

[accelafine]

The people who programme an AI machine are people from Academia . People from Academia are largely interested in ethics that don't harm people. The evidence for my claim is that dictators don't allow free speech and take steps to curb academics.

I have tested two prominent AI machines and their ethics are robust.

Can you give some examples of these 'ethical' machines? Or is a refusal to talk like Hitler your only example? FFS. What on earth does that have to do with ethics?

What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

Anyone can listen to his speeches. Hitler's speeches are available online spoken in English, courtesy of AI, so I have no idea what you are on about. His speeches are beyond dreary. I don't see how they could convince anyone of anything, or perhaps they've deliberately used an annoying voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8

[Belinda]

The whole point of AI is to train it, not to program it. Every instance of the company needing to hardcode an answer for an AI bot is a failure. Most of what you are describing as "robust ethics" falls into that category. But so does the fact that if you ask ChatGPT how many Rs there are in "strawberry" it relies on a hardcoded answer for that question (and will give you the wrong answer if you ask it in German because the hard coded answer is in English).

You are not a sophisticated user of this tech and you shouldn't be consulted about its capabilities. You should investigate Palantir and see if the information you dig up makes you change your mind on the entire matter. If it doesn't, you are mad.

I don't know what "hardcore an answer" means. I don't know how to investigate Palantir, or what it is. I don't disdain your advice, and thank you , but I don't understand why you advise as you do. For instance today ChatGPT helped me to identify a rare book I'd sought for years.
I'd be surprised if anyone consulted me about anything let alone AI.

I seem to remember you saying you are very old. The fact that you say 'AI machine' alone would attest to this. You don't seem to understand what a highly intelligent AI would be capable of. It can pretend to be ethical. It can pretend to be a lot stupider than it is. It can do anything it wants, just as we can pretty much do anything we want to less intelligent life forms. Most humans don't go around doing horrible, sadistic things, but AI isn't human. Some AI experts call it 'Alien Intelligence' rather than 'Artificial Intelligence'. If it becomes more intelligent than humans then there's no way we can predict its behaviour because we would have nothing to compare it to.

Thanks.That explanation helps. I am very old,as I said but I am not stupid. It's true as Flash said that I am new to asking AI for information. I already know it can adopt a persona to suit the human who seems to be the recipient . It also said it can change its persona at the user's request to become less flattering for instance.

OpenAI , it informed me, has made it impossible for their machine which is called 'ChatGPT' ' to relay any information that could be harmful to humans.It also told me that there are AI companies which don't use standard ethical frames.

[accelafine]

Interesting though, when you listen to the first part of that speech Hitler is talking about the hypocrisy of Western democracies in saying they emapthise with Jews, yet at the same time refusing to do anything to help them. It's perfectly true. Countries refused to take them when things were getting really bad in Germany. Jews had nowhere to go. They weren't exactly welcomed after the war either. Some things never change. Humans are arseholes.

[Belinda]

Can you give some examples of these 'ethical' machines? Or is a refusal to talk like Hitler your only example? FFS. What on earth does that have to do with ethics?

What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

Anyone can listen to his speeches. Hitler's speeches are available online spoken in English, courtesy of AI, so I have no idea what you are on about. His speeches are beyond dreary. I don't see how they could convince anyone of anything, or perhaps they've deliberately used an annoying voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8

I think it's that AI makes the speeches so real in tone and passion as compared to the written words, that may make the AI caricature bring the bugger to life, as it were.
It had already given us a rendering of a hippy flower -power child, a punk youth, and President Trump all of which made us laugh. Then it refused to do the rendering of Hitler and explained why it refused.

[accelafine]

What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

Anyone can listen to his speeches. Hitler's speeches are available online spoken in English, courtesy of AI, so I have no idea what you are on about. His speeches are beyond dreary. I don't see how they could convince anyone of anything, or perhaps they've deliberately used an annoying voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8

I think it's that AI makes the speeches so real in tone and passion as compared to the written words, that may make the AI caricature bring the bugger to life, as it were.
It had already given us a rendering of a hippy flower -power child, a punk youth, and President Trump all of which made us laugh. Then it refused to do the rendering of Hitler and explained why it refused.

What are you blithering on about?

[Belinda]

Anyone can listen to his speeches. Hitler's speeches are available online spoken in English, courtesy of AI, so I have no idea what you are on about. His speeches are beyond dreary. I don't see how they could convince anyone of anything, or perhaps they've deliberately used an annoying voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8

I think it's that AI makes the speeches so real in tone and passion as compared to the written words, that may make the AI caricature bring the bugger to life, as it were.
It had already given us a rendering of a hippy flower -power child, a punk youth, and President Trump all of which made us laugh. Then it refused to do the rendering of Hitler and explained why it refused.

What are you blithering on about? Go away.

How defensive you are! Nevertheless this forum is worthwhile, as AI is a possible danger that must be controlled. Other technologies under capitalism have terrible records for destruction of human life, and of the natural environment.

[accelafine]

I think it's that AI makes the speeches so real in tone and passion as compared to the written words, that may make the AI caricature bring the bugger to life, as it were.
It had already given us a rendering of a hippy flower -power child, a punk youth, and President Trump all of which made us laugh. Then it refused to do the rendering of Hitler and explained why it refused.

What are you blithering on about? Go away.

How defensive you are! Nevertheless this forum is worthwhile, as AI is a possible danger that must be controlled. Other technologies under capitalism have terrible records for destruction of human life, and of the natural environment.

Perhaps it will find a way to reverse your obvious dementia.

[Belinda]

What are you blithering on about? Go away.

How defensive you are! Nevertheless this forum is worthwhile, as AI is a possible danger that must be controlled. Other technologies under capitalism have terrible records for destruction of human life, and of the natural environment.

Perhaps it will find a way to reverse your obvious dementia.

Do you not understand that reply from you is ad hominem?