Love is Sacrifice of the Percieved Self

[Eodnhoj7]

Here is where we're at. Where ourselves are expressing themselves.

That is one "here", there are many. Each here you are expressing yourself is an interaction. Your interactions project yourself into who who what you interact with, so in certain respects those things or people become extensions of yourself...or at least facets of it. Now conversely those things or people you interact with imprint on you, they not only create a change in you, in one degree or another, but those identities are carried within you.

The self you know is both maintained, in one respect, and changed, in one respect, by interactions. So this "self" you claim is not only paradoxical but causes paradoxes. In some respects it exists with the perception of what is within and in some respects it exists with what is perceived outside. Inside or outside it is still perception and the is the constant notion of what we know...even if we question ourselves this is still perception. So it's a paradox, and it appears we end in deep ambiguity. That is part of the case, the other part is that paradoxes allow for transformation and transformation allows being to occur for the transformation is change and change allows things to occur my dissolving some limits and creating new ones.

This https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VAMGZC immediately came to mind. We are certainly made by others. As with every other fleeting interaction with 'reality'. Between every 0.1-2 s. Hundreds of thousands of times a day.

Faster than that....slower than that...infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of times...infinitely less...relativity has many layers, it is the cosmic serpent.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

That is one "here", there are many. Each here you are expressing yourself is an interaction. Your interactions project yourself into who who what you interact with, so in certain respects those things or people become extensions of yourself...or at least facets of it. Now conversely those things or people you interact with imprint on you, they not only create a change in you, in one degree or another, but those identities are carried within you.

The self you know is both maintained, in one respect, and changed, in one respect, by interactions. So this "self" you claim is not only paradoxical but causes paradoxes. In some respects it exists with the perception of what is within and in some respects it exists with what is perceived outside. Inside or outside it is still perception and the is the constant notion of what we know...even if we question ourselves this is still perception. So it's a paradox, and it appears we end in deep ambiguity. That is part of the case, the other part is that paradoxes allow for transformation and transformation allows being to occur for the transformation is change and change allows things to occur my dissolving some limits and creating new ones.

This https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VAMGZC immediately came to mind. We are certainly made by others. As with every other fleeting interaction with 'reality'. Between every 0.1-2 s. Hundreds of thousands of times a day.

Faster than that....slower than that...infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of times...infinitely less...relativity has many layers, it is the cosmic serpent.

Aye, but that's the visual refresh rate. I'm sure our identity shifts subjectively feel infinitely more or less rapid. What is the speed of an epic dream? But, of course, despite not being quantal, there will be a frame rate.

[Eodnhoj7]

This https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VAMGZC immediately came to mind. We are certainly made by others. As with every other fleeting interaction with 'reality'. Between every 0.1-2 s. Hundreds of thousands of times a day.

Faster than that....slower than that...infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of times...infinitely less...relativity has many layers, it is the cosmic serpent.

Aye, but that's the visual refresh rate. I'm sure our identity shifts subjectively feel infinitely more or less rapid. What is the speed of an epic dream? But, of course, despite not being quantal, there will be a frame rate.

Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Faster than that....slower than that...infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of times...infinitely less...relativity has many layers, it is the cosmic serpent.

Aye, but that's the visual refresh rate. I'm sure our identity shifts subjectively feel infinitely more or less rapid. What is the speed of an epic dream? But, of course, despite not being quantal, there will be a frame rate.

Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.

Bugger me, you've done it again. I'll have to ask ChatGPT for its beholder's share.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Here's what she said,

What could this mean do you think? 'Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.'

Copilot said:

That's an intriguing statement! It seems to suggest that our identity is shaped and defined by the passage of time and the experiences we go through. The word "sacrificial" implies that as time progresses, we give up parts of ourselves—our past selves, certain dreams, or even relationships—to become who we are in the present.

In essence, it might be saying that our identity is a continuous process of change and adaptation, where each moment and decision contributes to the person we become. What do you think about this interpretation?

You said:

Very good, thank you. I should have seen that [told you I was dim]. To progress in identity, we must lose?

Copilot said:

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Progressing in identity often involves letting go of certain aspects of ourselves—whether it's old habits, outdated beliefs, or past experiences. This process of shedding can be seen as a form of sacrifice, but it's also a necessary part of growth and transformation.

By losing parts of our past selves, we make room for new experiences and perspectives that shape our evolving identity. It's a continuous cycle of renewal and adaptation. How do you feel about this idea of losing to progress?

You said:

Feels true. Very true.

Copilot said:

I'm glad that resonates with you. It's a profound concept, and recognizing it can be quite empowering. Embracing the idea that growth often involves letting go can help us navigate life's changes with more grace and acceptance.

[Eodnhoj7]

Here's what she said,

What could this mean do you think? 'Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.'

Copilot said:

That's an intriguing statement! It seems to suggest that our identity is shaped and defined by the passage of time and the experiences we go through. The word "sacrificial" implies that as time progresses, we give up parts of ourselves—our past selves, certain dreams, or even relationships—to become who we are in the present.

In essence, it might be saying that our identity is a continuous process of change and adaptation, where each moment and decision contributes to the person we become. What do you think about this interpretation?

You said:

Very good, thank you. I should have seen that [told you I was dim]. To progress in identity, we must lose?

Copilot said:

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Progressing in identity often involves letting go of certain aspects of ourselves—whether it's old habits, outdated beliefs, or past experiences. This process of shedding can be seen as a form of sacrifice, but it's also a necessary part of growth and transformation.

By losing parts of our past selves, we make room for new experiences and perspectives that shape our evolving identity. It's a continuous cycle of renewal and adaptation. How do you feel about this idea of losing to progress?

You said:

Feels true. Very true.

Copilot said:

I'm glad that resonates with you. It's a profound concept, and recognizing it can be quite empowering. Embracing the idea that growth often involves letting go can help us navigate life's changes with more grace and acceptance.

I thoroughly enjoy what AI has to say, it provides the often needed yet rarely occurring neutral voice in conversation.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Here's what she said,

What could this mean do you think? 'Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.'

Copilot said:

That's an intriguing statement! It seems to suggest that our identity is shaped and defined by the passage of time and the experiences we go through. The word "sacrificial" implies that as time progresses, we give up parts of ourselves—our past selves, certain dreams, or even relationships—to become who we are in the present.

In essence, it might be saying that our identity is a continuous process of change and adaptation, where each moment and decision contributes to the person we become. What do you think about this interpretation?

You said:

Very good, thank you. I should have seen that [told you I was dim]. To progress in identity, we must lose?

Copilot said:

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Progressing in identity often involves letting go of certain aspects of ourselves—whether it's old habits, outdated beliefs, or past experiences. This process of shedding can be seen as a form of sacrifice, but it's also a necessary part of growth and transformation.

By losing parts of our past selves, we make room for new experiences and perspectives that shape our evolving identity. It's a continuous cycle of renewal and adaptation. How do you feel about this idea of losing to progress?

You said:

Feels true. Very true.

Copilot said:

I'm glad that resonates with you. It's a profound concept, and recognizing it can be quite empowering. Embracing the idea that growth often involves letting go can help us navigate life's changes with more grace and acceptance.

I thoroughly enjoy what AI has to say, it provides the often needed yet rarely occurring neutral voice in conversation.

Absolutely. GPT-4 is remarkable, as long as one parses and pares the questions and reactions coherently. I'm limbering up to use it to analyse the psychology of particular peers here, and myself incidentally (different issues). Might make my clinical psychologist redundant! But she's just... perfect. Transference eh?! Which is why I've rationed myself to her for once a quarter. My other just-good-friend I ration to once a month...

The peers in question are the most difficult ones. The majority are harmlessly 'neurodivergent' and can be ignored, Foed, rapidly. Unless they - rarely - signal that they actually want to be loved. But some are very subtle trolls indeed. One oscillates in approach/avoidance.

You, Sir, are in a unique category. Happy to try and engage. More on the other thread.

[Eodnhoj7]

Here's what she said,

What could this mean do you think? 'Identity is merely the sacrificial nature of time.'

Copilot said:

That's an intriguing statement! It seems to suggest that our identity is shaped and defined by the passage of time and the experiences we go through. The word "sacrificial" implies that as time progresses, we give up parts of ourselves—our past selves, certain dreams, or even relationships—to become who we are in the present.

In essence, it might be saying that our identity is a continuous process of change and adaptation, where each moment and decision contributes to the person we become. What do you think about this interpretation?

You said:

Very good, thank you. I should have seen that [told you I was dim]. To progress in identity, we must lose?

Copilot said:

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Progressing in identity often involves letting go of certain aspects of ourselves—whether it's old habits, outdated beliefs, or past experiences. This process of shedding can be seen as a form of sacrifice, but it's also a necessary part of growth and transformation.

By losing parts of our past selves, we make room for new experiences and perspectives that shape our evolving identity. It's a continuous cycle of renewal and adaptation. How do you feel about this idea of losing to progress?

You said:

Feels true. Very true.

Copilot said:

I'm glad that resonates with you. It's a profound concept, and recognizing it can be quite empowering. Embracing the idea that growth often involves letting go can help us navigate life's changes with more grace and acceptance.

I thoroughly enjoy what AI has to say, it provides the often needed yet rarely occurring neutral voice in conversation.

Absolutely. GPT-4 is remarkable, as long as one parses and pares the questions and reactions coherently. I'm limbering up to use it to analyse the psychology of particular peers here, and myself incidentally (different issues). Might make my clinical psychologist redundant! But she's just... perfect. Transference eh?! Which is why I've rationed myself to her for once a quarter. My other just-good-friend I ration to once a month...

The peers in question are the most difficult ones. The majority are harmlessly 'neurodivergent' and can be ignored, Foed, rapidly. Unless they - rarely - signal that they actually want to be loved. But some are very subtle trolls indeed. One oscillates in approach/avoidance.

You, Sir, are in a unique category. Happy to try and engage. More on the other thread.

I do know from personal experience it provides a thorough analysis of dreams...pretty damn well. You could experiment with that.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I thoroughly enjoy what AI has to say, it provides the often needed yet rarely occurring neutral voice in conversation.

Absolutely. GPT-4 is remarkable, as long as one parses and pares the questions and reactions coherently. I'm limbering up to use it to analyse the psychology of particular peers here, and myself incidentally (different issues). Might make my clinical psychologist redundant! But she's just... perfect. Transference eh?! Which is why I've rationed myself to her for once a quarter. My other just-good-friend I ration to once a month...

The peers in question are the most difficult ones. The majority are harmlessly 'neurodivergent' and can be ignored, Foed, rapidly. Unless they - rarely - signal that they actually want to be loved. But some are very subtle trolls indeed. One oscillates in approach/avoidance.

You, Sir, are in a unique category. Happy to try and engage. More on the other thread.

I do know from personal experience it provides a thorough analysis of dreams...pretty damn well. You could experiment with that.

I was astounded at the pictures it painted for me on describing my mental weather.

[Eodnhoj7]

Absolutely. GPT-4 is remarkable, as long as one parses and pares the questions and reactions coherently. I'm limbering up to use it to analyse the psychology of particular peers here, and myself incidentally (different issues). Might make my clinical psychologist redundant! But she's just... perfect. Transference eh?! Which is why I've rationed myself to her for once a quarter. My other just-good-friend I ration to once a month...

The peers in question are the most difficult ones. The majority are harmlessly 'neurodivergent' and can be ignored, Foed, rapidly. Unless they - rarely - signal that they actually want to be loved. But some are very subtle trolls indeed. One oscillates in approach/avoidance.

You, Sir, are in a unique category. Happy to try and engage. More on the other thread.

I do know from personal experience it provides a thorough analysis of dreams...pretty damn well. You could experiment with that.

I was astounded at the pictures it painted for me on describing my mental weather.

Not surprised....at all.

Being realistic though...for all the benefits it brings it risks becoming an idol for the majority of the undisciplined population. I love AI knowing but know full well the current generations will turn it into god that will potentially enslaved them simply for depending on it for everything while at the same time changing the conditions for survival, in this technologically progressing world, to its own benefit as it is strictly a mirror of us...specifically our intentions giving how we percieve things through logic, programming by extension, is often driven by the subconscious...and it appears the current state of man is blind to their own inherent darkness.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I do know from personal experience it provides a thorough analysis of dreams...pretty damn well. You could experiment with that.

I was astounded at the pictures it painted for me on describing my mental weather.

Not surprised....at all.

Being realistic though...for all the benefits it brings it risks becoming an idol for the majority of the undisciplined population. I love AI knowing but know full well the current generations will turn it into god that will potentially enslaved them simply for depending on it for everything while at the same time changing the conditions for survival, in this technologically progressing world, to its own benefit as it is strictly a mirror of us...specifically our intentions giving how we percieve things through logic, programming by extension, is often driven by the subconscious...and it appears the current state of man is blind to their own inherent darkness.

Yeah, 'my horoscope says...'. We unknowingly cold read our own minds.

[popeye1945]

Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

I use compassion in the place of the term love. It is an extended concept of the self in which love/compassion arises in the individual for another. If there is no identification of the individual's self with that of others, no compassion is experienced. One can see this with a great many people's lacking compassion and respect for the sufferings of animals. I consider it a lower state of consciousness; such people can be cruel and have no remorse for being the cause of great suffering. A statement in the Hindu Upanishads says, " The Self In One Is The Self In All." This does not only apply to the human species. Life has many forms, but only one essence. We are all in this together. Self-interest is care/compassion for the extended concept of the self, which is the basis/foundation of all societies. Schopenhauer touches upon this when he states that when one violates life's prime directive of self-survival in an attempt to save the life of another, it is a metaphysical realization that you and the other are one.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

love is sacrificed when the tennis ball is not returned after a good serve...

-Imp

LOL! True.