Theodicy?

[henry quirk]

Aye, I hate the sick, arbitrary, murderous, grandiose, inadequate, projected, bastard creation of our two year old ID.

Which God is that? Allah?

Ain't mine.

[attofishpi]

Aye, I hate the sick, arbitrary, murderous, grandiose, inadequate, projected, bastard creation of our two year old ID.

Which God is that? Allah?

Ain't mine.

Spot on Henry.

[Age]

Aye, I hate the sick, arbitrary, murderous, grandiose, inadequate, projected, bastard creation of our two year old ID.

Which God is that? Allah?

Ain't mine.

But the God 'person' is. Which is even more hilarious.

[iambiguous]

   Years ago also Stephen Fry, staunch atheist was stating something to the effect of 'how do you account of this child in Africa, losing eyesight with a parasite burrowing into the eyeball'..

There's another avenue of thought I have on all that. Since the sage confirmed to me on the night of introducing himself from the aether, that we reincarnate into circumstances we karmically deserve, based on our previous lives. Well, perhaps ...ya know, perhaps these kids were rather awful! Terrible consideration I know, but how else am I to consider these things.

Look, if you are actually able to convince yourself of something like that, it can make their suffering seem so much less appalling. Right? So, after explaining to the kids above that their terrible suffering [or even deaths] has allowed us to experience much less boring lives -- while providing us with all those doctors -- many of the kids may well have deserved it, given all the terrible things they might have done in...in a past life?

As for this sage from the "aether"...? Any actual evidence that this is more than just something you believe :in your head"?

If you climbed out of bed one morning and heard a clear voice state: "Tonight, bad luck"
That night someone attacks you with a baseball bat and fractures your arm, breaks your nose.
You come out of hospital days later, and find you have no pain killers beyond f'ing paracetamol-can't sleep from the extreme pain
You say a prayer and a voice AGAIN from the aether states "would you like me to erase that"
All your pain goes, much relief - but then after about 10 mins the pain returns and the voice states "Do you understand"
Me - "no you f'ing &^&*Y mother fker !! Get rid of the pain" <-- i think i understand now, didnt at the time.
I ask "who are you are you GOD?"
Voice from aether states: "I am a sage"
I only know sage is a herb at the time, I consider looking it up in my dictionary - RIGHT knee is tapped indicating, right, do that.
"An extremely wise person"
SO.

If you experienced all that, you would know it all to be real rather than just your brain farting at you. The sage is real, the GOD system is real.

Now, from my frame of mind "here and now", this sort of post is in the general vicinity of ecmandu over at ILP. If you get my drift. 

Either him or...Howard Beale?

Some will buy it, some won't. 

Of course, I may well be completely wrong about it. About you. And, sure, if one day you are capable of demonstrating substantively and substantially the actual existence of this sage and this real GOD system, give it a shot.

[attofishpi]

Honestly, U R blind..no depth of understanding the matter www.androcies.com

ALICE goes to MASS
https://www.androcies.com/Music/ALICE_Goes_To_MASS.mp3


Where the tick,
never makes a tock,
where time is as,
redundant,
as a clock,
and again I say,
TIME,
EMIT,
a photon,
please,
let it release,
from this stagnation,
of weight,
see its mass,
oh wait,
oh that's time,
release,
some mass,
a church,
it has Mass?
Why?
They see the light?
Why am I down,
this rabbit hole?
I look up at Alice,
and All I see is energy,
but eventually,
Will she?
See me?
Missed her!
Mr!
Did I?
Did die?
The soul now gone,
the light no longer shone,
the sage in retreat,
the God did defeat,
me and my sage,
the one that knew me,
and her,
before this age,
my apologies to him,
there is no song,
and no hymn,
for what he knew,
of our past life,
now through,
and threw,
by me,
I misunderstood,
where I stood above,
too arrogant,
to be under,
stood.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Aye, I hate the sick, arbitrary, murderous, grandiose, inadequate, projected, bastard creation of our two year old ID.

Which God is that? Allah?

Ain't mine.

The God of the Bible. The God of the New Testament. God in Christ. The God of Rome and Constantinople when they were powerful, the latter the God of Moscow now. The God of Columbus. The God of sexism and homophobia. Still. The God of the Reformation, of the British Empire, of Evangelicalism. Of America. Of capitalism. Of social injustice. I.e. of everything but social justice. Of Netanyahu. The God of genocide. Of the ruling class in Christendom. Now. Still. God the Damner. God the Killer. For a start. Him. One doesn't have to critique God in Arabic. Any form of the God of the Bible, any, every line that's drawn in that text between literal and metaphoric, is evil.

Your Deus is not that God. So theoretically there is hope for Him. I don't know what His story is. But no, He's not transcendent Love, that's for certain. He's just. And you don't mean socially. You don't mean in equality of outcome. In the restitution of all things. You mean in incompetent vengeance. So not that far removed from the Gods of the People of the Book. At all. Who is nought but Maat. Nothing new. In over four thousand years.

The God who dares to judge us. How dare He. He can forgive Himself via His fundament.

[attofishpi]

clueless.

Clearly Peter Clarke the 3rd doesn't want to ever exist again.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

The justification of God by His followers is on the same spectrum as the justification of any evil. Just at the extreme end. Beyond justifying Hitler, genocide, unjust war, social injustice, male violence, slavery, sexism, any and every abuse of power. Which He sums synergistically.

I dedicate this song to Martin Peter Clarke the Third for his wise words..

Androcies - Two Days of Reckoning (*based on the poem by Andrew Seas)
https://www.androcies.com/Music/Two_Day ... koning.mp3

PS. *He has me on ignore, likely due to insistence of my having gnosis! Please, **if someone would be so kind as to quote me, he assures me then he will get to see, or in this case, hear true wisdom.

*Don't feel bad. I expect to join you shortly.

**Done!

Pure Milton.

[henry quirk]

Spot on Henry.

I thought so.

[henry quirk]

The God of the Bible...

Anti-theist and anti-Christian. That is: you believe in the Christian God and you hate Him.

And here I thought you were Sunny Jim the atheist guy.

incompetent vengeance

What a small world you live in where justice is synonymous with incompetent vengeance.

He's not transcendent Love

No, He most certainly is not. Just, yes. Merciful, mebbe. Loving, no.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

The God of the Bible...

(i) Anti-theist and anti-Christian. That is: you believe in the Christian God and you hate Him.

And here I thought you were Sunny Jim the atheist guy.

incompetent vengeance

(ii) What a small world you live in where justice is synonymous with incompetent vengeance.

He's not transcendent Love

(iii) No, He most certainly is not. Just, yes. Merciful, mebbe. Loving, no.

(i) Yep. I'm anti-evil and anti-inadequate, anti- an interventionist deity that shows no trace of intervening, i.e. anti- that meaningless unreason, anti- wherever anyone draws a line between the metaphoric and the literal in the Bible; from all the good, soft, nice things are literal and all hard, ghastly, cruel, dark, inadequate things, about God, right up to including Jesus' return, are metaphoric, to it's one seamless garment, as literal as possible, and Netanyahu is right.

And I am a sanguine, you were right. God knows how I'd react if I were like Him. Choleric.

I used to argue that He was pragmatic and that all would be well. See? Sanguine. In the face of His butchery. Life obviously means nothing to him.

(ii) I live in a world where social justice is such a fantasy and the poor counterfeit of justice is what you can buy. And the Palestinians are broke. And we're not talking about this world, where God is completely hands off, are we? Yours is anyway. We're talking about the next. Well I am. You won't know anything about it. So where does this certainly just deity of yours operate his justice? And where and to whom does he possibly exercise mercy? For what?

(iii) What's the point of a deity if he's incompetent? Only the incompetent exercise vengeance. If he were to evince himself and show himself to be incapable of facilitating equal outcome for all, that have suffered at his hands off, then he's not Love, no. But, thank God, there is no trace, warrant, need, possibility of such a monster.

[henry quirk]

So where does this certainly just deity of yours operate his justice? And where and to whom does he possibly exercise mercy? For what?

If you understood why slavery (and murder and rape and theft and fraud and all the permutations and iterations of those) is wrong, all the time, everywhere, for everyone: you'd have your answers.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

So where does this certainly just deity of yours operate his justice? And where and to whom does he possibly exercise mercy? For what?

If you understood why slavery (and murder and rape and theft and fraud and all the permutations and iterations of those) is wrong, all the time, everywhere, for everyone: you'd have your answers.

Obviously I can't, won't understand. You'll have to spell it out. But you won't, can't.

And your presumption is grandiose.

What do you mean 'if'?!

All abuse of power is wrong. Not just the extreme, acute, person on person. But the systematic, the systemic, the historic, the civil, the institutional, the class, the mass, the social, the national, the international, the global. In the morass of the latter, the former proliferates. Law and order break down, social fabric tears, anomie and alienation are rampant, deprivation begets crime. Poverty is a crime. Not committed by the poor.

You won't, will not, can not answer where your god is just You can not even mutely point.