Drunkards and psychos whining about nonsense

[FlashDangerpants]

What is the OP about? I see it has been 'edited' but none of these twats had the brains to 'quote' it before it was presumably edited into oblivion.

The OP wasn't me, it was an adbot called HilmaBogan that got deleted. When it was deleted, my sarcastic comment about the phone game called geometry vibes that hb was promoting inherited OP status, so that made me the owner, thus I edited the title to describe the contents of the thread.

[attofishpi]

Answer this: What is the ultimate purpose of a human mind?

For heaven's sake, where am I supposed to find the answer to that question? All I can do, is to speculate, and what's the point in doing that?

I thought your answer would have been laid out for your inductive simpleton contemplation of GOD - in your case, Allah.

This is why I asked you:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)


So according or Mor Ham Mad/Allah created you such that the ultimate purpose of its creation of "intelligence", the human mind, is to WORSHIP IT!!

Are you godelian having doubts about that?

[godelian]

Are you godelian having doubts about that?

Look, most questions cannot be answered. A decidable question is the exception and not the rule.

So, if you ask me an arbitrary "yes"/"no" question, I will most likely not be able to answer it with a "yes" or a "no".

This is a logical consequence of Alan Turing's and Alonzo Church's answers to David Hilbert's Entscheidungsproblem:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entscheidungsproblem

In mathematics and computer science, the Entscheidungsproblem (German for 'decision problem') is a challenge posed by David Hilbert and Wilhelm Ackermann in 1928. It asks for an algorithm that considers an inputted statement and answers "yes" or "no" according to whether it is universally valid, i.e., valid in every structure. Such an algorithm was proven to be impossible by Alonzo Church and Alan Turing in 1936.

Most truth is beyond language. The truth that can actually be expressed in language, which is the exception and not the rule, can mostly not be justified, because there is no decision procedure available for that.

So, no, get over it. Most questions cannot be answered.

[attofishpi]

Are you godelian having doubts about that?

Look, most questions cannot be answered. A decidable question is the exception and not the rule. So, if you ask me an arbitrary "yes"/"no" question, I will most likely not be able to answer it with a "yes" or a "no".

No, all questions can be answered. The answer can be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

In mathematics and computer science, the Entscheidungsproblem (German for 'decision problem') is a challenge posed by David Hilbert and Wilhelm Ackermann in 1928. It asks for an algorithm that considers an inputted statement and answers "yes" or "no" according to whether it is universally valid, i.e., valid in every structure. Such an algorithm was proven to be impossible by Alonzo Church and Alan Turing in 1936.

Sure, but if you are going to insist upon mathematics as a level of Truth value that reality should also be adhere to, you are always going to fail. Reality is not represented accurately by maths to the level of binary certainty...reality is always subject to probability values.

Most truth is beyond language. The truth that can actually be expressed in language, which is the exception and not the rule, can mostly not be justified, because there is no decision procedure available for that.

So, no, get over it. Most questions cannot be answered.

Again, all questions CAN be answered. Again, the answer can (*within our reality) be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

You refused to answer what you as a Muslim must surely consider THE ultimate reason for a human mind based on this from your Quran, as you stated earlier:

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

Are you now in some form of DOUBT as to whether Allah's ultimate reason for creating the human mind is to worship IT?

[godelian]

No, all questions can be answered. The answer can be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

For a yes/no question, "yes" is maximally inadequate to the truth if the answer is actually "no"; and vice versa.

Sure, but if you are going to insist upon mathematics as a level of Truth value that reality should also be adhere to, you are always going to fail.

For a yes/no question, the truth can only be "yes" or "no". If you pick the wrong answer, it is 100% wrong, and not just a little bit wrong.

Reality is not represented accurately by maths to the level of binary certainty...reality is always subject to probability values.

That is why I tried to limit things to yes/no questions. In fact, you can always turn any question into a yes/no question. For example, what is f(10)? You can also ask the question as: Is f(10) equal to 7?

Probability is inductive. It is acceptable when the question is about the physical universe. But then again, I am not particularly fond of questions about the physical universe. That is why I avoid them, unless I really can't.

Again, all questions CAN be answered. Again, the answer can (*within our reality) be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

Physical reality is essentially uninteresting to me. Even professionally, I have never had to deal with physical reality. A program is an abstraction. Software are essentially ideas. Why deal with physical reality if you don't have to?

[attofishpi]

No, all questions can be answered. The answer can be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

For a yes/no question, "yes" is maximally inadequate to the truth if the answer is actually "no"; and vice versa.

Sure, but if you are going to insist upon mathematics as a level of Truth value that reality should also be adhere to, you are always going to fail.

For a yes/no question, the truth can only be "yes" or "no". If you pick the wrong answer, it is 100% wrong, and not just a little bit wrong.

Yes, wot is your point - I see you are avoiding THE quest ion.

Reality is not represented accurately by maths to the level of binary certainty...reality is always subject to probability values.

That is why I tried to limit things to yes/no questions. In fact, you can always turn any question into a yes/no question. For example, what is f(10)? You can also ask the question as: Is f(10) equal to 7?

Probability is inductive. It is acceptable when the question is about the physical universe. But then again, I am not particularly fond of questions about the physical universe. That is why I avoid them, unless I really can't.

Humans tend to apply their reasoning skills deductively upon which to base their decisions, especially in a reality of probabilities.

Again, all questions CAN be answered. Again, the answer can (*within our reality) be inadequate to the truth or very accurate to the Truth.

Physical reality is essentially uninteresting to me. Even professionally, I have never had to deal with physical reality. A program is an abstraction. Software are essentially ideas. Why deal with physical reality if you don't have to?

Nonsense. Screw this digression of yours.

Let's just get to the crux of our little chat..AGAIN:

You continue to refuse to answer what you as a Muslim must surely consider THE ultimate reason for a human mind based on this from your Quran, as you stated earlier:

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

Are you now in some form of DOUBT as to whether Allah's ultimate reason for creating the human mind is to worship IT?

[godelian]

You continue to refuse to answer

No, I simply do not have a justified answer.

[attofishpi]

You continue to refuse to answer

No, I simply do not have a justified answer.

What!!?

The answer is as close to binary as it gets, either you believe in your Quran, that Allah made man to worship IT or it didn't.

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

So is the purpose of Allah creating man to worship IT, YES or NO?

[godelian]

So is the purpose of Allah creating man to worship IT, YES or NO?

You are asking me to interpret the Quranic verse, i.e. to engage in "tafsir". I do not specialize in scriptural interpretation. You would have to ask someone who is interested in that.

[attofishpi]

So is the purpose of Allah creating man to worship IT, YES or NO?

You are asking me to interpret the Quranic verse, i.e. to engage in "tafsir". I do not specialize in scriptural interpretation. You would have to ask someone who is interested in that.

This was your post!!

..THIS:

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

SO.

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

[godelian]

So is the purpose of Allah creating man to worship IT, YES or NO?

You are asking me to interpret the Quranic verse, i.e. to engage in "tafsir". I do not specialize in scriptural interpretation. You would have to ask someone who is interested in that.

This was your post!!

..THIS:

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

SO.

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

Yes, I did mention the verse but I am not going to interpret it beyond what it literally says. There are people who specialize in exactly that. Why don't you ask them to interpret it?

[FlashDangerpants]

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

Watching you try to outwit somebody is so fucking boring. If you think you have some amazing gotcha argument to drop on him then just spit it out you windowlicking fucknut.

[attofishpi]

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

Watching you try to outwit somebody is so fucking boring. If you think you have some amazing gotcha argument to drop on him then just spit it out you windowlicking fucknut.

That's the problem with you Poopypants, not an ounce of comprehension of wit nor logic - the gotcha was up whilst you were sleeping in your favourite lingerie.

[attofishpi]

You are asking me to interpret the Quranic verse, i.e. to engage in "tafsir". I do not specialize in scriptural interpretation. You would have to ask someone who is interested in that.

This was your post!!

..THIS:

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

SO.

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

Yes, I did mention the verse but I am not going to interpret it beyond what it literally says.

You're stating that it is literal, interpretation is OBVIOUS. Ergo, do you agree with the literal statement of it or not, did Allah create mankind ONLY to worship IT, YES or NO?

[FlashDangerpants]

Is that correct? Did Allah create mankind with THE clear purpose: to worship IT? (*you stated Him, yet you always insist Allah is not a man!)

Watching you try to outwit somebody is so fucking boring. If you think you have some amazing gotcha argument to drop on him then just spit it out you windowlicking fucknut.

That's the problem with you Poopypants, not an ounce of comprehension of wit nor logic - the gotcha was up whilst you were sleeping in your favourite lingerie.

If you've shot your bolt already, then that was just an embarrassing failure.