Potentially infinite possibilities

[Age]

If you (Lacewing) were to say: I have no need or desire to examine or understand life in these ways (intense probing) I could only say “That is a valid choice”.

I may not want to do it through your eyes -- but I find it endlessly fascinating to explore, examine, notice, and consider all kinds of connections and possibilities. And in doing that, I discover much that I/we DON'T explore, examine, notice, and consider, which is also interesting.

The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Aristotle
The more we learn, the more we realize how much there is to know, and how little we actually grasp. Socrates

'This one' is so stuck in its own very fixed belief/s, here, that it can not even recognise and see its own blatantly obvious lies and deceptions, here.

[Lacewing]

I think what you are saying is based on your belief that we are products of a shared 'time in history' on this physical planet, and there is nothing more to it than that. Yes?

If so, what makes you so sure of that... especially in the face of countless ongoing examples and demonstrations which intersect our 'present time' through flashes of inexplicable awareness, memories, visions, connections, other-worldly interactions, etc. You are aware that these occur, yes? Are these excluded as insignificant to your physical model?

Perhaps if you refer to a few examples of “flashes of inexplicable awareness, memories, visions, connections, other-worldly interactions, etc.” I be better able to understand and possibly comment.

Inexplicable types of...

awareness: such as knowing or sensing things that most people might commonly not
memories: people (including young children) having precise memories of previous/other lives they have lived
visions: seeing into the future
connections: sensing connectivity with different forms of life/nature to the point of communicating and/or receiving insights/direction
other-worldly interactions: supernatural or extraterrestrial

These ongoing experiences for many people point to more than a simple physical reality tied to 'time' and culture. If you don't believe there's any validity in any of these things, okay. But many people do (including myself)... and they've not only had astounding and possibly repetitive experiences, but they've utilized the inexplicable information/direction they received to great effect.

Haven't such things been experienced and documented in every culture throughout humankind's history?

This is why I think we're influenced by (and representative of) more than you seem to be suggesting.

[Fairy]

Which makes one wonder why?

Because one cannot know why. “Why” questions are unknowable, beyond one’s perception. One cannot go beyond one’s perception.

One cannot release oneself from a limited, restricted, fixed self-conception, to find oneself Beyond Perception – beyond one's own subjective glasses. To realise: “I am not my thoughts, feelings, conditioning, problems, experiences, traumas, dysfunctionalities, identity neither form nor matter…”

There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception.

And, what is unknown to 'you' is known to 'I', just like the hypocrisy and contradictions in your following two sentences.

There is no truth. There is only perception where infinite realities are perceived one frame at a time, forever, and never all at once, because our only experience is finite experience, known infinitely for eternity.

And, this last sentence is obviously not true, if the prior sentence is meant to be true.

"But what if you're wrong!" applies to all positions, all arguments, all truth claims.
That’s what Absolute Truth means. I have never denied that I could be self-deceived.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Inexplicable types of...

awareness: such as knowing or sensing things that most people might commonly not
memories: people (including young children) having precise memories of previous/other lives they have lived
visions: seeing into the future
connections: sensing connectivity with different forms of life/nature to the point of communicating and/or receiving insights/direction
other-worldly interactions: supernatural or extraterrestrial

These ongoing experiences for many people point to more than a simple physical reality tied to 'time' and culture. If you don't believe there's any validity in any of these things, okay. But many people do (including myself)... and they've not only had astounding and possibly repetitive experiences, but they've utilized the inexplicable information/direction they received to great effect.

Haven't such things been experienced and documented in every culture throughout humankind's history?

This is why I think we're influenced by (and representative of) more than you seem to be suggesting.

Previous you wrote:

For me...

Perhaps there are potentially infinite possibilities that can be seen, imagined, and experienced -- collectively and individually -- each reality appearing as real or valid to each individual/collective who experiences it.

Further, how might broader realities/states organically reflect/inform individual reality/states? I've been thinking how little sense the current reality on the world stage makes to me. Recognizing the utter absurdity and chaos that is not worth entertaining inspires me in my personal life too, to put my energy toward other possibilities.

I think I can understand why a person (you in this case) would have an interest in those things in your list. I suppose they would connect to your spiritual life in a largely subjective sense. And I suppose there could be a community of persons who share those interests and experiences. I can also well understand frustration with the present. And the fact is that things do not seem to be getting easier for large sectors of people.

[Age]

Because one cannot know why. “Why” questions are unknowable, beyond one’s perception. One cannot go beyond one’s perception.

One cannot release oneself from a limited, restricted, fixed self-conception, to find oneself Beyond Perception – beyond one's own subjective glasses. To realise: “I am not my thoughts, feelings, conditioning, problems, experiences, traumas, dysfunctionalities, identity neither form nor matter…”

There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception.

And, what is unknown to 'you' is known to 'I', just like the hypocrisy and contradictions in your following two sentences.

There is no truth. There is only perception where infinite realities are perceived one frame at a time, forever, and never all at once, because our only experience is finite experience, known infinitely for eternity.

And, this last sentence is obviously not true, if the prior sentence is meant to be true.

"But what if you're wrong!" applies to all positions, all arguments, all truth claims.

A 'Truth claim', by definition, can never be Wrong, ever. Although, and as you pointed out, a 'truth claim' can be Wrong. Obviously, a 'position' can be Wrong. Also, if an 'argument' is not sound and valid, then, by definition, it is just naturally Wrong in one way or another, any way.

That’s what Absolute Truth means.

What does 'Absolute Truth's supposedly mean, exactly?

I have never denied that I could be self-deceived.

But, the 'I' can never ever be Self-deceived. Although 'you', the 'i', can be very self-deceived, very simply and very easily. As shown and proved above.

[Lacewing]

Inexplicable types of...

awareness: such as knowing or sensing things that most people might commonly not
memories: people (including young children) having precise memories of previous/other lives they have lived
visions: seeing into the future
connections: sensing connectivity with different forms of life/nature to the point of communicating and/or receiving insights/direction
other-worldly interactions: supernatural or extraterrestrial

These ongoing experiences for many people point to more than a simple physical reality tied to 'time' and culture. If you don't believe there's any validity in any of these things, okay. But many people do (including myself)... and they've not only had astounding and possibly repetitive experiences, but they've utilized the inexplicable information/direction they received to great effect.

Haven't such things been experienced and documented in every culture throughout humankind's history?

This is why I think we're influenced by (and representative of) more than you seem to be suggesting.

Previous you wrote:

For me...

Perhaps there are potentially infinite possibilities that can be seen, imagined, and experienced -- collectively and individually -- each reality appearing as real or valid to each individual/collective who experiences it.

Further, how might broader realities/states organically reflect/inform individual reality/states? I've been thinking how little sense the current reality on the world stage makes to me. Recognizing the utter absurdity and chaos that is not worth entertaining inspires me in my personal life too, to put my energy toward other possibilities.

Yes. Do you not consider any of those things valid?

I think I can understand why a person (you in this case) would have an interest in those things in your list. I suppose they would connect to your spiritual life in a largely subjective sense.

Okay. I would like to point out that I could say the same thing about your reality/experience, which is as real for you as mine is for me.

I'm pointing to something that is experienced, not just of interest. People experience all of these things (as extensively reported and documented), so... to me... that's worth folding into whatever equation is being suggested to define broader potential or reality.

And I suppose there could be a community of persons who share those interests and experiences.

It's not a book club. It's a vast number of people across the human network throughout human history.

It's understandable that people who have not experienced such things may reject such possibilities. It's also understandable that people who are tied to conflicting ideas may not be able to see what else there is or can be. I think the extent of our perception is limited by our reliance/dependence on certain human-serving structures.

But can we look at the extensive variety of traits and capabilities all throughout nature and consider how extensive the traits and capabilities would be throughout the human species as well? The human 'vehicle' is just another form that nature flows through, yes? I think it's a mistake to think that we're separate from nature. If we're not of nature, what are we... children of a god? (And nature is just the decorations in the terrarium.)

I can also well understand frustration with the present. And the fact is that things do not seem to be getting easier for large sectors of people.

I am trying to be open to considering a 'larger natural flow' at work. A detoxifying purge, if you will. I think humans can really clog things up with their distortions and rigidity... which although impressively creative, is not in-tune with the larger energetic flow throughout all of nature that we're part of. So, humankind can become like a demonic baby intent on destroying its host. Nature is much bigger and more powerful and has more potential and free-flowing connectivity than we do.

[Age]

I am trying to be open to considering a 'larger natural flow' at work.

Imagine the frustration that would have been felt, by 'this one', whilst 'trying' to be open. Especially when compared to 'us' who are Truly open.

The very reason why 'this one' could not yet obtain, and thus see, what the actual Truth is, here, is because of the very beliefs that it adhered to and was fixated on.

A detoxifying purge, if you will. I think humans can really clog things up with their distortions and rigidity... which although impressively creative, is not in-tune with the larger energetic flow throughout all of nature that we're part of.

And, 'the way' "lacewing", itself, speaks and writes on this forum is 'the one' who is providing the irrefutable proof for what it says and writes, here.

So, humankind can become like a demonic baby intent on destroying its host. Nature is much bigger and more powerful and has more potential and free-flowing connectivity than we do.

you human beings really are absolutely insignificant, in the actual scheme of things.

Although 'I' have come to know thy Self through you human beings, the infinites of the Universe means that 'I' was bound to know thy Self, eventually any way, with or without you beings. An intelligent enough being was bound to appear, and thus would evolve into Existence no matter what, one day.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Do you not consider any of those things valid?

It is certainly not that I think them as invalid. I have has some outlandish experiences myself. It is more that my interests lie in a different area and direction.

(I was in an airport this AM when I wrote and it was way too early.)

I will try to get back here when I find the time.

[Fairy]

And, what is unknown to 'you' is known to 'I', just like the hypocrisy and contradictions in your following two sentences.



And, this last sentence is obviously not true, if the prior sentence is meant to be true.

"But what if you're wrong!" applies to all positions, all arguments, all truth claims.

A 'Truth claim', by definition, can never be Wrong, ever. Although, and as you pointed out, a 'truth claim' can be Wrong. Obviously, a 'position' can be Wrong. Also, if an 'argument' is not sound and valid, then, by definition, it is just naturally Wrong in one way or another, any way.

That’s what Absolute Truth means.

What does 'Absolute Truth's supposedly mean, exactly?

I have never denied that I could be self-deceived.

But, the 'I' can never ever be Self-deceived. Although 'you', the 'i', can be very self-deceived, very simply and very easily. As shown and proved above.

Absolute Truth / Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.
One Reality looking through an Infinity of perspectives/beings/eyes.

[Age]

"But what if you're wrong!" applies to all positions, all arguments, all truth claims.

A 'Truth claim', by definition, can never be Wrong, ever. Although, and as you pointed out, a 'truth claim' can be Wrong. Obviously, a 'position' can be Wrong. Also, if an 'argument' is not sound and valid, then, by definition, it is just naturally Wrong in one way or another, any way.

That’s what Absolute Truth means.

What does 'Absolute Truth's supposedly mean, exactly?

I have never denied that I could be self-deceived.

But, the 'I' can never ever be Self-deceived. Although 'you', the 'i', can be very self-deceived, very simply and very easily. As shown and proved above.

Absolute Truth / Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.
One Reality looking through an Infinity of perspectives/beings/eyes.

Does, "But what if you're wrong!" apply to this position, argument, or truth claim, here, as well?

[Fairy]

A 'Truth claim', by definition, can never be Wrong, ever. Although, and as you pointed out, a 'truth claim' can be Wrong. Obviously, a 'position' can be Wrong. Also, if an 'argument' is not sound and valid, then, by definition, it is just naturally Wrong in one way or another, any way.



What does 'Absolute Truth's supposedly mean, exactly?



But, the 'I' can never ever be Self-deceived. Although 'you', the 'i', can be very self-deceived, very simply and very easily. As shown and proved above.

Absolute Truth / Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.
One Reality looking through an Infinity of perspectives/beings/eyes.

Does, "But what if you're wrong!" apply to this position, argument, or truth claim, here, as well?

Yes, this too could be wrong, because it’s still just an idea, a perception, a secondary reality imposed upon what is already unknowable.

Secondary realities are manifestations within the conceptual dream,which is the realm of relative knowledge.

[Eodnhoj7]

Some considerations about reality...

Most of us are likely capable of noticing how many different 'realities' human beings can live in. If we contemplate the implications of that, what might we consider or conclude?

For me...

Perhaps there are potentially infinite possibilities that can be seen, imagined, and experienced -- collectively and individually -- each reality appearing as real or valid to each individual/collective who experiences it.

Further, how might broader realities/states organically reflect/inform individual reality/states? I've been thinking how little sense the current reality on the world stage makes to me. Recognizing the utter absurdity and chaos that is not worth entertaining inspires me in my personal life too, to put my energy toward other possibilities.

How much distinction/separation is there between the broader collective and the individual? Are we evolving and transforming collaboratively and in unison? Perhaps the outer shows us where we are... so the inner can inspire us as to where else we can go.

If there are infinite possibilities then possibility means nothing.

[Lacewing]

If there are infinite possibilities then possibility means nothing.

I see what you're pointing to.

So... what words would be more appropriate to suggest/communicate such an idea?

Do we have the words?

[Eodnhoj7]

If there are infinite possibilities then possibility means nothing.

I see what you're pointing to.

So... what words would be more appropriate to suggest/communicate such an idea?

Do we have the words?

However the experience is worded, and there are many ways to do so, would become merely a means of transforming how one consciously sees possibility for individuals who subconsciously resonate with the wording.

What I said may seem vague to some...so let me be more distinct: wording is the actualization of possibility as wording is the confines of perspective(s). We perceive through symbols and these symbols are the limits of experience. Possibility is merely an act awareness and when words come from what one experiences they become definitive symbols for others that allow for a sense of transformative meaning. Words are the symbols which allow change in the psyche and the spontaneity of existence has no rule for what or how words are used and what or how they are percieved.

What may seem deep to some is shallow to others, what is shallow to some is deep to others. What is said at one time and place may not mean anything in another. The value of any given statement, amidst people, is merely the synchronicity of perspectives or rather the synchronicity of insight.

In even shorter terms: when talking about the infinite possibilities of existence the necessary timing and use of words "just occurs". Premeditated thought helps but is not necessary.

[Lacewing]

If there are infinite possibilities then possibility means nothing.

I see what you're pointing to.

So... what words would be more appropriate to suggest/communicate such an idea?

The value of any given statement, amidst people, is merely the synchronicity of perspectives or rather the synchronicity of insight.

Okay, sure.

My point is that I have always found value in recognizing and exploring possibilities beyond the 'known or expected', and I have not found an end to them yet. I find the implications of such vast potential fascinating. That's what I attempt to communicate. Such an idea may intrigue some, while being meaningless to others.

Your comments seem to call out or analyze the validity/value of what I put forth -- regardless of the words used -- so, perhaps that's your point, for whatever that's worth.