The Democrat Party Hates America

[Walker]

Actually under determinism there is no such thing as responsibility for one's actually because technically "you" weren't the one who did it, it was all the factors that made it happen. Again you don't understand determinism or it's implications.

Tell it to the judge and he may consider that in the sentencing, perhaps in unanticipated ways.

That kind of determinism is a fairy tale based on ignorance of actual cause and effect. It only exists as a thought, never as reality.

Yes, I understand the implications of the delusions caused by cramming reality into known implications.

It's an error in perception caused by assuming that life moves along with the rigid known precision of a chessboard, when there is so much to Lifeation cause and effect that Human Beans just don't understand, and yet still insist on making explanations of reality conform to ignorance.

Again ... try applying definitions and what you know, to thinking, and you too will be a philosopher.

Chaos swallows both the butterfly effect and notions of linear determinism bound by time. The rules of chess confer a unified structure to contain every atom in the known universe as proven by the Shannon Number, but flat earthers are suspicious. However, The Democrat Party is still petty enough and limited in its vision, to Hate America.

[Walker]

Re: implications. There is a simple way to accurately understand Determinism, and that is the self-evident fact that every action of every person is the action that had to happen, and that the person had to perform, determined by conditions which include the complex makeup of the actor’s motives, which exist regardless of what the actor thinks exists, or regardless of illusions of non-existence within a situation of which one is conscious.

[Immanuel Can]

Reply to the entire post

No. Just to the part that has some relevance.

And answer the question.

The question was confused nonsense.

The question was premised on your absurd suggestion that "universal health care" was a) the responsibility of the US to impose on the world, and b) something to do with sexual promiscuity, trans-surgeries and art lessons. So the "confused nonsense" was present in the previous message, not imposed by mine.

[Immanuel Can]

Re: implications. There is a simple way to accurately understand Determinism, and that is the self-evident fact that every action of every person is the action that had to happen, and that the person had to perform, determined by conditions which include the complex makeup of the actor’s motives, which exist regardless of what the actor thinks exists, or regardless of illusions of non-existence within a situation of which one is conscious.

No, "motives" are non-material entities. They're mind phenomena. And Determinism cannot admit mind-phenomena as explicatory of anything. Motives aren't causal, in Determinist thinking...rather, they are mere epiphenomena, accidental byproducts of brain chemistry, electrical signals in the cerebral cortex, etc., that are themselves merely caused by other chemical and physical precauses. They don't cause actions.

[FlashDangerpants]

No. Just to the part that has some relevance.

And answer the question.

The question was confused nonsense.

The question was premised on your absurd suggestion that "universal health care" was a) the responsibility of the US to impose on the world, and b) something to do with sexual promiscuity, trans-surgeries and art lessons. So the "confused nonsense" was present in the previous message, not imposed by mine.

I made no such claims. You are suffering some sort of senility.

[Immanuel Can]

...physicists can apply their methods to any phenomena they wish; if only to rule out the possibility that the phenomenon in question doesn't lend itself to those methods.

Well, this is very interesting. You now admit there are real “phenomena” that “don’t lend themselves to those methods."

What are the “phenomena” you mean?

[Immanuel Can]

I made no such claims.

By defending USAID as merely advocating “universal health care,” you certainly did. USAID funded all those things, and you seem to think they had some business in poking about in the Developing World with them.

[FlashDangerpants]

The question was premised on your absurd suggestion that "universal health care" was a) the responsibility of the US to impose on the world, and b) something to do with sexual promiscuity, trans-surgeries and art lessons. So the "confused nonsense" was present in the previous message, not imposed by mine.

I made no such claims.

By defending USAID as merely advocating “universal health care,” you certainly did.

I also didn't claim that.

[Immanuel Can]

I made no such claims.

By defending USAID as merely advocating “universal health care,” you certainly did.

I also didn't claim that.

Oh, go read your own messages.

[Walker]

Re: implications. There is a simple way to accurately understand Determinism, and that is the self-evident fact that every action of every person is the action that had to happen, and that the person had to perform, determined by conditions which include the complex makeup of the actor’s motives, which exist regardless of what the actor thinks exists, or regardless of illusions of non-existence within a situation of which one is conscious.

No, "motives" are non-material entities. They're mind phenomena. And Determinism cannot admit mind-phenomena as explicatory of anything. Motives aren't causal, in Determinist thinking...rather, they are mere epiphenomena, accidental byproducts of brain chemistry, electrical signals in the cerebral cortex, etc., that are themselves merely caused by other chemical and physical precauses. They don't cause actions.

This may help you to better understand Determinism by applying an old science fiction trope.

A time traveler returns to the past to change history, however his every action serves to bring about the same history that he wants to change … because of Determinism.

[Immanuel Can]

Re: implications. There is a simple way to accurately understand Determinism, and that is the self-evident fact that every action of every person is the action that had to happen, and that the person had to perform, determined by conditions which include the complex makeup of the actor’s motives, which exist regardless of what the actor thinks exists, or regardless of illusions of non-existence within a situation of which one is conscious.

No, "motives" are non-material entities. They're mind phenomena. And Determinism cannot admit mind-phenomena as explicatory of anything. Motives aren't causal, in Determinist thinking...rather, they are mere epiphenomena, accidental byproducts of brain chemistry, electrical signals in the cerebral cortex, etc., that are themselves merely caused by other chemical and physical precauses. They don't cause actions.

This may help you to better understand Determinism

Thanks for trying, but I don't need "help." You'll find that I'm right. Mental phenomena do not commence actions or causal chains, according to Determinism. They're mere byproducts of material-causal chains.

Think about it: if human knowledge or mental dispositions can initiate a new chain of actions, then things are not, after all, predetermined, but can be altered or directed to a new conclusion by nothing more than human volition, which is a purely mental phenomenon. Determinism isn't true, then. Human choices make a difference.

[Walker]

No, "motives" are non-material entities. They're mind phenomena. And Determinism cannot admit mind-phenomena as explicatory of anything. Motives aren't causal, in Determinist thinking...rather, they are mere epiphenomena, accidental byproducts of brain chemistry, electrical signals in the cerebral cortex, etc., that are themselves merely caused by other chemical and physical precauses. They don't cause actions.

This may help you to better understand Determinism

Thanks for trying, but I don't need "help." You'll find that I'm right. Mental phenomena do not commence actions or causal chains, according to Determinism. They're mere byproducts of material-causal chains.

Think about it: if human knowledge or mental dispositions can initiate a new chain of actions, then things are not, after all, predetermined, but can be altered or directed to a new conclusion by nothing more than human volition, which is a purely mental phenomenon. Determinism isn't true, then. Human choices make a difference.

Human knowledge or mental dispositions are part of the causal chain of nature. Humans don't float above it all. Humans are not separate from nature, but rather part of nature, and everything is ultimately a cause for anything. Everything that is done is one step closer to the unknown inevitability.

[Walker]

Uh oh. Looks like it’s time for the Left to give Joe Rogan the Musk treatment.
Isolate … Demonize … Destroy

He deserves it for giving Trump a platform that persuaded Yutes for Trump, perhaps even decisively.

In Wake Of Podcast With Christian Apologist, 'Pretty Atheist' Joe Rogan Has Been Attending Church
https://www.outkick.com/culture/wake-po ... ing-church

[FlashDangerpants]

By defending USAID as merely advocating “universal health care,” you certainly did.

I also didn't claim that.

Oh, go read your own messages.

I told you to address the whole of that post because you were confused and misunderstood it.

[Walker]

No, "motives" are non-material entities. They're mind phenomena. And Determinism cannot admit mind-phenomena as explicatory of anything. Motives aren't causal, in Determinist thinking...rather, they are mere epiphenomena, accidental byproducts of brain chemistry, electrical signals in the cerebral cortex, etc., that are themselves merely caused by other chemical and physical precauses. They don't cause actions.

This may help you to better understand Determinism

Thanks for trying, but I don't need "help." You'll find that I'm right. Mental phenomena do not commence actions or causal chains, according to Determinism. They're mere byproducts of material-causal chains.

Think about it: if human knowledge or mental dispositions can initiate a new chain of actions, then things are not, after all, predetermined, but can be altered or directed to a new conclusion by nothing more than human volition, which is a purely mental phenomenon. Determinism isn't true, then. Human choices make a difference.

It's all right to need help in understanding. No man is an island.

The hypothesis that only the physical exists is only true if thoughts are of an undetectable physicality, or true if thoughts are composed of an ignored physicality and as invisible as the wind … which is the cause of Foot in Mouth disease.

Foot in Mouth disease is when the topic gets changed in conversation with one or more, by saying something about another topic that happens to be in the forefront of another’s thoughts, but unspoken and unknown to others. The foot enters the mouth when the speaker goes negative upon what the other person was thinking, without conscious knowledge of what the other person was thinking.