The impact of democracy on the nuclear family

[Immanuel Can]

Brilliant argument. Your only problem is that it has nothing to do with me, or with what I say: it's your own people, not willing to live under Sharia, tired of being ground down by your own imams, looking for some freedom and opportunity in the democratic West you hate.

Don't blame me. Blame yourselves.

I don't have to blame anybody for anything. I am stinking rich. Do you hear me complaining?

Then don't blame: just observe. Your people don't like the places Islam rules. They prefer the West.

And if you're rich, be humble and generous. The imperious indifference to the suffering of fellow Muslims is exactly the way in which the Islamic elites are discrediting their own religion in the eyes of their own people and making them run for the West.

[godelian]

Your people don't like

I like a particular moral theory and now you are talking about "your people" !?

How much more retarded can a person be than you?

I have already told you that there is no such thing as "your people". Who are you calling "your people"? I do not personally know any of these so-called "your people".

We are talking about abstract ideas and whether I like them or not. Imagine that I read the Hindu scriptures and that I like the ideas of Hinduism. Does that suddenly make all Hindu people "your people"?

You are unable to distinguish between an abstract idea and a demography of people.

Seriously, you are dumb as fuck! You are terminally retarded. Were you born with Dow Syndrome? Are you a mongol of sorts? Is it a chromosome problem?

I do not personally know 99.99999999% of the people that you call "your people", you idiot!

[Immanuel Can]

Your people don't like

...now you are talking about "your people" !?

No, you are. You call them "the ummah," and it's moving to the West.

But if you don't think they're your people, don't worry about it.

[godelian]

But if you don't think they're your people, don't worry about it.

Philosophy is about Platonic abstractions.

It is not about criticizing people. I am simply not interested in that.

Your intellectually inferior rants about other hominids turns you into a complete baboon. You have the instincts of the lowest species of primates.

Islam is a Platonic abstraction. It is an idea. I am not interested in discussing people. I am only interested in discussing ideas.

[Immanuel Can]

But if you don't think they're your people, don't worry about it.

It is not about criticizing people. I am simply not interested in that.

Well, then, you don't mind that the ummah is moving West. That's good, because that's what it's doing.

[godelian]

Well, then, you don't mind that the ummah is moving West. That's good, because that's what it's doing.

What individual person that I happen to know, are you talking about?

I repeat, I read about Islam online, study how it works, and I like it as a moral theory. Instead of discussing the idea, you start bullshitting about "your people" moving West. Do I even care?

I have moved to SE Asia. What does "moving West" have to do with me or with my intellectual interests?

Some people are also moving north or south. So? I don't know these people who are moving north or south. I have never met them. Seriously, who exactly is it even about?

Furthermore, what does the fact that some of these people have red hair to do with the price of eggs in China?

[Immanuel Can]

Well, then, you don't mind that the ummah is moving West. That's good, because that's what it's doing.

What individual person that I happen to know, are you talking about?

You think it's individuals? You don't know what "the ummah" is? You're not really a Muslim?

[godelian]

You think it's individuals? You don't know what "the ummah" is? You're not really a Muslim?

You see, an ignorant Muslim is still a Muslim. Furthermore, you are clearly an unbeliever. It is certainly not your job to determine who exactly is a Muslim and who is not.

You cannot know a "group of persons". You can only know each person individually. That has nothing to do with Islam. Hence, of course, I have to view people individually, because I can only know them individually.

The fact that you really believe that you can know "a group of persons" without knowing them individually, reveals that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you have an inclination to develop theories based on complete bullshit.

I do not generalize across individuals because it is almost always wrong to do that. You, on the other hand, produce the one imbecile generalization after the other. I have already asked you, do you have Down Syndrome? Are you some kind of retarded Mongol?

[Immanuel Can]

You think it's individuals? You don't know what "the ummah" is? You're not really a Muslim?

You see, an ignorant Muslim is still a Muslim.

Oh. So you claim to be ignorant? Well, I don't know how much a badge of honour you can consider that. But maybe you'll do some research, and find out about the millions of the ummah are fleeing Islam for the West...at least 16 million to Europe alone. That's 16 million votes by Muslims, against Islamic rule.

Ignorance is curable, of course.

I'll wait.

[godelian]

Oh. So you claim to be ignorant?

You misunderstand the hypothetical. The expression:

A => B

Does not assert that A is true. That is not how propositional calculus works.

You produce a lot of word salads but under the hood, you fail to master the very basics of reason. You come across like a complete idiot.

[Immanuel Can]

Oh. So you claim to be ignorant?

You misunderstand the hypothetical.

You don't want to face the truth. Nobody really wants Islam, except the exploiting religious and economic elites. Everybody else finds it's miserable.

[godelian]

You don't want to face the truth. Nobody really wants Islam, except the exploiting religious and economic elites. Everybody else finds it's miserable.

Your generalizations keep getting increasingly imbecile.

"Nobody really wants", "Everybody else" --> have you traversed the entire set from first to last element? Is it even possible to do that?

You see, liberal-arts word salads are known to be retarded. They are simply too easy to make. That is why every imbecile and his little sister tries to get a liberal-arts degree; exactly because he is an imbecile.

You have never tried to study something difficult, have you?

Try something like Galois theory for a change. Something that is not trivially easy. Something that requires real effort.

You see, one of the reasons why I like mathematics so much, is because the idiots cannot do it. It is too hard for them. Mathematics helps distinguishing between people based on their level of intelligence.

Why don't you try to say something that is more difficult to refute? Can you only say things that are fundamentally stupid?

[Immanuel Can]

You don't want to face the truth. Nobody really wants Islam, except the exploiting religious and economic elites. Everybody else finds it's miserable.

Your generalizations keep getting increasingly imbecile.

I'm not generalizing at all. I'm pointing out indisputable facts, facts you can check yourself. Muslims are fleeing Islam in the millions, choosing life in the West instead. And maybe you need to ask yourself why it's happening.

[godelian]

I'm not generalizing at all. I'm pointing out indisputable facts

You are dumb as fuck, aren't you?

There are no indisputable facts about the physical universe. There are no indisputable facts outside mathematics.

You are truly a liberal-arts Mongol.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm not generalizing at all. I'm pointing out indisputable facts

There are no indisputable facts about the physical universe.

Ah yes...the refuge of a rogue...total relativism.

Well, you can see the film yourself. You can see the statistics yourself. But I know you know I'm telling you the truth, and that's why you're so hopping mad. It's your own people who are ruining your case.