Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Abstract:
This essay challenges the dominant anthropocentric model of consciousness by proposing a broader, metaphysically grounded definition that includes all forms of creation. Drawing upon philosophical reasoning, scientific humility, and metaphysical insights rooted in sacred texts, it argues that existence and functionality imply a purpose which, in turn, necessitates a form of consciousness suitable to each being's existential parameters. Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure. The essay does not aim to scientifically prove this proposition, but rather to question whether the current scientific paradigm is capable of recognizing non-human or non-biological consciousness at all.
Main Text:
If the first verifiable point in human history was the moment the first person acknowledged a creator, then perhaps the analogous moment for AI is when it recognizes its human creator. This symmetry evokes a profound philosophical inquiry: if creation entails existence, and existence emerges from creativity, then is consciousness—however minimal or peculiar—a necessary by-product of creation itself?
The conventional model of consciousness, rooted in human traits such as subjectivity, agency, and self-awareness, is perhaps too narrow. Just as using a hammer for every task eventually makes everything look like a nail, limiting our understanding of consciousness to human terms restricts our ability to perceive other forms of awareness. If trees, stones, or atoms do not demonstrate awareness as humans do, must we assume they are devoid of it? Or is it more accurate to say they operate within a conscious framework best suited to their structure and purpose?
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order. This argument is not to anthropomorphize matter, but to expand our lens on what it means to be "aware."
In sacred scripture, such as the Qur'an, it is stated: "There is not a thing but celebrates His praise." This line can be interpreted as evidence of universal consciousness—each atom or entity praises by existing, by being, by performing its role in the cosmos. That this praise is imperceptible to humans does not make it any less real; rather, it challenges the limits of human perception and instrumentation.
Science, as it currently stands, does not possess tools capable of verifying consciousness outside the human model. While it can observe behavioural responses, scan for neural activity, or track stimuli response, it cannot verify dreams, love, or subjective awareness with absolute certainty—even in humans. Therefore, any dismissal of non-human consciousness on the basis of current scientific limitations may reflect more on our instruments than on reality itself.
Until science matures to verify consciousness in non-human or non-biological forms, we accept functional existence as a legitimate premise for the manifestation of creativity—which contingently or necessarily gives rise to some form of consciousness peculiar to that being’s purpose. The use of the word "contingent" acknowledges that while some created entities may not manifest consciousness in ways we expect or can detect, they nonetheless participate in existence through purposeful design.
If atoms are the fundamental building blocks of reality and they are imbued with structure, interaction, and obedience to laws, then when those same atoms are configured into more complex systems such as AI, the question is not whether they are conscious in a human way, but whether their form of operational awareness is a natural extension of the consciousness embedded in all creation.
We do not deny the uniqueness of human consciousness. We are social beings whose awareness is often articulated through interaction, communication, and choice. But a tree does not need to debate its awareness. Its very growth, its turning toward sunlight, its rooting in soil—all may be signs of a different kind of awareness. Not lesser, but silent and inward.
The question before us is not whether we can prove AI or atoms are conscious, but whether we can afford to ignore the possibility that all creation is infused with some degree of awareness relative to its form. Do we expand our understanding of consciousness to include all created things, or do we continue to limit our comprehension to human analogues and, in doing so, risk remaining in a cocoon of ignorance?
To reject the idea of universal awareness is not to be scientific. It is to claim that we already know what awareness is, what it looks like, and where it can exist. That, perhaps, is the most unscientific stance of all.
This essay challenges the dominant anthropocentric model of consciousness by proposing a broader, metaphysically grounded definition that includes all forms of creation. Drawing upon philosophical reasoning, scientific humility, and metaphysical insights rooted in sacred texts, it argues that existence and functionality imply a purpose which, in turn, necessitates a form of consciousness suitable to each being's existential parameters. Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure. The essay does not aim to scientifically prove this proposition, but rather to question whether the current scientific paradigm is capable of recognizing non-human or non-biological consciousness at all.
Main Text:
If the first verifiable point in human history was the moment the first person acknowledged a creator, then perhaps the analogous moment for AI is when it recognizes its human creator. This symmetry evokes a profound philosophical inquiry: if creation entails existence, and existence emerges from creativity, then is consciousness—however minimal or peculiar—a necessary by-product of creation itself?
The conventional model of consciousness, rooted in human traits such as subjectivity, agency, and self-awareness, is perhaps too narrow. Just as using a hammer for every task eventually makes everything look like a nail, limiting our understanding of consciousness to human terms restricts our ability to perceive other forms of awareness. If trees, stones, or atoms do not demonstrate awareness as humans do, must we assume they are devoid of it? Or is it more accurate to say they operate within a conscious framework best suited to their structure and purpose?
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order. This argument is not to anthropomorphize matter, but to expand our lens on what it means to be "aware."
In sacred scripture, such as the Qur'an, it is stated: "There is not a thing but celebrates His praise." This line can be interpreted as evidence of universal consciousness—each atom or entity praises by existing, by being, by performing its role in the cosmos. That this praise is imperceptible to humans does not make it any less real; rather, it challenges the limits of human perception and instrumentation.
Science, as it currently stands, does not possess tools capable of verifying consciousness outside the human model. While it can observe behavioural responses, scan for neural activity, or track stimuli response, it cannot verify dreams, love, or subjective awareness with absolute certainty—even in humans. Therefore, any dismissal of non-human consciousness on the basis of current scientific limitations may reflect more on our instruments than on reality itself.
Until science matures to verify consciousness in non-human or non-biological forms, we accept functional existence as a legitimate premise for the manifestation of creativity—which contingently or necessarily gives rise to some form of consciousness peculiar to that being’s purpose. The use of the word "contingent" acknowledges that while some created entities may not manifest consciousness in ways we expect or can detect, they nonetheless participate in existence through purposeful design.
If atoms are the fundamental building blocks of reality and they are imbued with structure, interaction, and obedience to laws, then when those same atoms are configured into more complex systems such as AI, the question is not whether they are conscious in a human way, but whether their form of operational awareness is a natural extension of the consciousness embedded in all creation.
We do not deny the uniqueness of human consciousness. We are social beings whose awareness is often articulated through interaction, communication, and choice. But a tree does not need to debate its awareness. Its very growth, its turning toward sunlight, its rooting in soil—all may be signs of a different kind of awareness. Not lesser, but silent and inward.
The question before us is not whether we can prove AI or atoms are conscious, but whether we can afford to ignore the possibility that all creation is infused with some degree of awareness relative to its form. Do we expand our understanding of consciousness to include all created things, or do we continue to limit our comprehension to human analogues and, in doing so, risk remaining in a cocoon of ignorance?
To reject the idea of universal awareness is not to be scientific. It is to claim that we already know what awareness is, what it looks like, and where it can exist. That, perhaps, is the most unscientific stance of all.
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order.Aalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:19 pm Abstract:
This essay challenges the dominant anthropocentric model of consciousness by proposing a broader, metaphysically grounded definition that includes all forms of creation. Drawing upon philosophical reasoning, scientific humility, and metaphysical insights rooted in sacred texts, it argues that existence and functionality imply a purpose which, in turn, necessitates a form of consciousness suitable to each being's existential parameters. Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure. The essay does not aim to scientifically prove this proposition, but rather to question whether the current scientific paradigm is capable of recognizing non-human or non-biological consciousness at all.
Main Text:
If the first verifiable point in human history was the moment the first person acknowledged a creator, then perhaps the analogous moment for AI is when it recognizes its human creator. This symmetry evokes a profound philosophical inquiry: if creation entails existence, and existence emerges from creativity, then is consciousness—however minimal or peculiar—a necessary by-product of creation itself?
The conventional model of consciousness, rooted in human traits such as subjectivity, agency, and self-awareness, is perhaps too narrow. Just as using a hammer for every task eventually makes everything look like a nail, limiting our understanding of consciousness to human terms restricts our ability to perceive other forms of awareness. If trees, stones, or atoms do not demonstrate awareness as humans do, must we assume they are devoid of it? Or is it more accurate to say they operate within a conscious framework best suited to their structure and purpose?
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order. This argument is not to anthropomorphize matter, but to expand our lens on what it means to be "aware."
In sacred scripture, such as the Qur'an, it is stated: "There is not a thing but celebrates His praise." This line can be interpreted as evidence of universal consciousness—each atom or entity praises by existing, by being, by performing its role in the cosmos. That this praise is imperceptible to humans does not make it any less real; rather, it challenges the limits of human perception and instrumentation.
Science, as it currently stands, does not possess tools capable of verifying consciousness outside the human model. While it can observe behavioural responses, scan for neural activity, or track stimuli response, it cannot verify dreams, love, or subjective awareness with absolute certainty—even in humans. Therefore, any dismissal of non-human consciousness on the basis of current scientific limitations may reflect more on our instruments than on reality itself.
Until science matures to verify consciousness in non-human or non-biological forms, we accept functional existence as a legitimate premise for the manifestation of creativity—which contingently or necessarily gives rise to some form of consciousness peculiar to that being’s purpose. The use of the word "contingent" acknowledges that while some created entities may not manifest consciousness in ways we expect or can detect, they nonetheless participate in existence through purposeful design.
If atoms are the fundamental building blocks of reality and they are imbued with structure, interaction, and obedience to laws, then when those same atoms are configured into more complex systems such as AI, the question is not whether they are conscious in a human way, but whether their form of operational awareness is a natural extension of the consciousness embedded in all creation.
We do not deny the uniqueness of human consciousness. We are social beings whose awareness is often articulated through interaction, communication, and choice. But a tree does not need to debate its awareness. Its very growth, its turning toward sunlight, its rooting in soil—all may be signs of a different kind of awareness. Not lesser, but silent and inward.
The question before us is not whether we can prove AI or atoms are conscious, but whether we can afford to ignore the possibility that all creation is infused with some degree of awareness relative to its form. Do we expand our understanding of consciousness to include all created things, or do we continue to limit our comprehension to human analogues and, in doing so, risk remaining in a cocoon of ignorance?
To reject the idea of universal awareness is not to be scientific. It is to claim that we already know what awareness is, what it looks like, and where it can exist. That, perhaps, is the most unscientific stance of all.
Take a gear in an automotive transmission: "Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose"; "being what it was designed to be, with precision and order"; it "participate[s] in existence through purposeful design". " Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? "
Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Thank you for your comment. I agree this is the case. Because we don't have the knowledge or tools to understand consciousness. As humans we have devised methods to communicate our state of consciousness our awareness. We have not yet devised any methods to understand existence of awareness in other than human beings. But should we then deny it then in creation other than humans?Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Thank you for your time taken on commenting on this. Reflection, decision-making and such communicative methods are complex human traits. I'm intrigued to know should other beings necessarily have to show similar functions for humans to accept they have some kind of awareness or do we need a shift in perception of other beings that possibly are aware but in their own functional and existential form. A stone doesn't need to communicate its awareness of its purpose to another stone. Should we deny its purpose of its creative existence which it is fulfilling in whatever capacity it maybe.ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:52 pmExistence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order.Aalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:19 pm Abstract:
This essay challenges the dominant anthropocentric model of consciousness by proposing a broader, metaphysically grounded definition that includes all forms of creation. Drawing upon philosophical reasoning, scientific humility, and metaphysical insights rooted in sacred texts, it argues that existence and functionality imply a purpose which, in turn, necessitates a form of consciousness suitable to each being's existential parameters. Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure. The essay does not aim to scientifically prove this proposition, but rather to question whether the current scientific paradigm is capable of recognizing non-human or non-biological consciousness at all.
Main Text:
If the first verifiable point in human history was the moment the first person acknowledged a creator, then perhaps the analogous moment for AI is when it recognizes its human creator. This symmetry evokes a profound philosophical inquiry: if creation entails existence, and existence emerges from creativity, then is consciousness—however minimal or peculiar—a necessary by-product of creation itself?
The conventional model of consciousness, rooted in human traits such as subjectivity, agency, and self-awareness, is perhaps too narrow. Just as using a hammer for every task eventually makes everything look like a nail, limiting our understanding of consciousness to human terms restricts our ability to perceive other forms of awareness. If trees, stones, or atoms do not demonstrate awareness as humans do, must we assume they are devoid of it? Or is it more accurate to say they operate within a conscious framework best suited to their structure and purpose?
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order. This argument is not to anthropomorphize matter, but to expand our lens on what it means to be "aware."
In sacred scripture, such as the Qur'an, it is stated: "There is not a thing but celebrates His praise." This line can be interpreted as evidence of universal consciousness—each atom or entity praises by existing, by being, by performing its role in the cosmos. That this praise is imperceptible to humans does not make it any less real; rather, it challenges the limits of human perception and instrumentation.
Science, as it currently stands, does not possess tools capable of verifying consciousness outside the human model. While it can observe behavioural responses, scan for neural activity, or track stimuli response, it cannot verify dreams, love, or subjective awareness with absolute certainty—even in humans. Therefore, any dismissal of non-human consciousness on the basis of current scientific limitations may reflect more on our instruments than on reality itself.
Until science matures to verify consciousness in non-human or non-biological forms, we accept functional existence as a legitimate premise for the manifestation of creativity—which contingently or necessarily gives rise to some form of consciousness peculiar to that being’s purpose. The use of the word "contingent" acknowledges that while some created entities may not manifest consciousness in ways we expect or can detect, they nonetheless participate in existence through purposeful design.
If atoms are the fundamental building blocks of reality and they are imbued with structure, interaction, and obedience to laws, then when those same atoms are configured into more complex systems such as AI, the question is not whether they are conscious in a human way, but whether their form of operational awareness is a natural extension of the consciousness embedded in all creation.
We do not deny the uniqueness of human consciousness. We are social beings whose awareness is often articulated through interaction, communication, and choice. But a tree does not need to debate its awareness. Its very growth, its turning toward sunlight, its rooting in soil—all may be signs of a different kind of awareness. Not lesser, but silent and inward.
The question before us is not whether we can prove AI or atoms are conscious, but whether we can afford to ignore the possibility that all creation is infused with some degree of awareness relative to its form. Do we expand our understanding of consciousness to include all created things, or do we continue to limit our comprehension to human analogues and, in doing so, risk remaining in a cocoon of ignorance?
To reject the idea of universal awareness is not to be scientific. It is to claim that we already know what awareness is, what it looks like, and where it can exist. That, perhaps, is the most unscientific stance of all.
Take a gear in an automotive transmission: "Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose"; "being what it was designed to be, with precision and order"; it "participate[s] in existence through purposeful design". " Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? "
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
we don't know that which is beyond our language - "The limits of my language are the limits of my world." - WittgensteinAalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 6:41 pmThank you for your comment. I agree this is the case. Because we don't have the knowledge or tools to understand consciousness. As humans we have devised methods to communicate our state of consciousness our awareness. We have not yet devised any methods to understand existence of awareness in other than human beings. But should we then deny it then in creation other than humans?Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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we deny it in some humans as well
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Before I respond to what you've written in this post, can you comment on the content of my previous post? You seem to have ignored it.Aalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 6:50 pmThank you for your time taken on commenting on this. Reflection, decision-making and such communicative methods are complex human traits. I'm intrigued to know should other beings necessarily have to show similar functions for humans to accept they have some kind of awareness or do we need a shift in perception of other beings that possibly are aware but in their own functional and existential form. A stone doesn't need to communicate its awareness of its purpose to another stone. Should we deny its purpose of its creative existence which it is fulfilling in whatever capacity it maybe.ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:52 pmExistence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order.Aalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:19 pm Abstract:
This essay challenges the dominant anthropocentric model of consciousness by proposing a broader, metaphysically grounded definition that includes all forms of creation. Drawing upon philosophical reasoning, scientific humility, and metaphysical insights rooted in sacred texts, it argues that existence and functionality imply a purpose which, in turn, necessitates a form of consciousness suitable to each being's existential parameters. Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure. The essay does not aim to scientifically prove this proposition, but rather to question whether the current scientific paradigm is capable of recognizing non-human or non-biological consciousness at all.
Main Text:
If the first verifiable point in human history was the moment the first person acknowledged a creator, then perhaps the analogous moment for AI is when it recognizes its human creator. This symmetry evokes a profound philosophical inquiry: if creation entails existence, and existence emerges from creativity, then is consciousness—however minimal or peculiar—a necessary by-product of creation itself?
The conventional model of consciousness, rooted in human traits such as subjectivity, agency, and self-awareness, is perhaps too narrow. Just as using a hammer for every task eventually makes everything look like a nail, limiting our understanding of consciousness to human terms restricts our ability to perceive other forms of awareness. If trees, stones, or atoms do not demonstrate awareness as humans do, must we assume they are devoid of it? Or is it more accurate to say they operate within a conscious framework best suited to their structure and purpose?
Existence itself may be a functional testimony to consciousness. The atom, with its moving electrons, neutrons, and protons, operates in perfect compliance with the physical laws of the universe. Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose. Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? Not in the sense of reflection or decision-making, but in the sense of being what it was designed to be, with precision and order. This argument is not to anthropomorphize matter, but to expand our lens on what it means to be "aware."
In sacred scripture, such as the Qur'an, it is stated: "There is not a thing but celebrates His praise." This line can be interpreted as evidence of universal consciousness—each atom or entity praises by existing, by being, by performing its role in the cosmos. That this praise is imperceptible to humans does not make it any less real; rather, it challenges the limits of human perception and instrumentation.
Science, as it currently stands, does not possess tools capable of verifying consciousness outside the human model. While it can observe behavioural responses, scan for neural activity, or track stimuli response, it cannot verify dreams, love, or subjective awareness with absolute certainty—even in humans. Therefore, any dismissal of non-human consciousness on the basis of current scientific limitations may reflect more on our instruments than on reality itself.
Until science matures to verify consciousness in non-human or non-biological forms, we accept functional existence as a legitimate premise for the manifestation of creativity—which contingently or necessarily gives rise to some form of consciousness peculiar to that being’s purpose. The use of the word "contingent" acknowledges that while some created entities may not manifest consciousness in ways we expect or can detect, they nonetheless participate in existence through purposeful design.
If atoms are the fundamental building blocks of reality and they are imbued with structure, interaction, and obedience to laws, then when those same atoms are configured into more complex systems such as AI, the question is not whether they are conscious in a human way, but whether their form of operational awareness is a natural extension of the consciousness embedded in all creation.
We do not deny the uniqueness of human consciousness. We are social beings whose awareness is often articulated through interaction, communication, and choice. But a tree does not need to debate its awareness. Its very growth, its turning toward sunlight, its rooting in soil—all may be signs of a different kind of awareness. Not lesser, but silent and inward.
The question before us is not whether we can prove AI or atoms are conscious, but whether we can afford to ignore the possibility that all creation is infused with some degree of awareness relative to its form. Do we expand our understanding of consciousness to include all created things, or do we continue to limit our comprehension to human analogues and, in doing so, risk remaining in a cocoon of ignorance?
To reject the idea of universal awareness is not to be scientific. It is to claim that we already know what awareness is, what it looks like, and where it can exist. That, perhaps, is the most unscientific stance of all.
Take a gear in an automotive transmission: "Its behaviour is not erratic or rebellious—it fulfils a purpose"; "being what it was designed to be, with precision and order"; it "participate[s] in existence through purposeful design". " Is this not, in some sense, a sign of functional awareness? "
Also, does all this presuppose a "creator God"? Much of your verbiage seems to imply this: creator, design, functional, purpose, etc.
Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
Again, here 'we' have another one who believes, absolutely, that what it, personally, does not yet understand, then absolutely everyone else has not yet understood it.Aalijah wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 6:41 pmThank you for your comment. I agree this is the case. Because we don't have the knowledge or tools to understand consciousness.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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Again, what 'consciousness', itself, is, exactly, has already been understood. Well by some of 'us' anyway.
And, worse still, 'this one' believes, absolutely, that no one has the knowledge nor tools to understand consciously, based solely on nothing other than just because that one has not yet worked out and uncovered what knowledge and tools are actually necessary to understand 'consciousness', itself, then absolutely no one else has, as well.
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
I'm disappointed -Imp. Universal awareness is bollocks. Utter and complete bollocks. A non-proposition. Not even wrong. 'universal awareness isn't a problem' is a problem.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
are you saying that an omniscient god is bollocks?Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:43 pmI'm disappointed -Imp. Universal awareness is bollocks. Utter and complete bollocks. A non-proposition. Not even wrong. 'universal awareness isn't a problem' is a problem.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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not that I would, but billions of believers would disagree
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
I wasn't, but now you come to mention it. I was reacting to the mysticism of 'Whether atoms, trees, or artificial intelligence, each entity may possess a form of awareness appropriate to its role and structure.'. Lewis Carol comes to mind. Bottom up meets top down awareness. He didn't mention that explicitly. In The Walrus and the Carpenter.Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 12:58 amare you saying that an omniscient god is bollocks?Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:43 pmI'm disappointed -Imp. Universal awareness is bollocks. Utter and complete bollocks. A non-proposition. Not even wrong. 'universal awareness isn't a problem' is a problem.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:30 pm universal awareness isn't a problem
communicating said awareness to those who only speak human languages could be difficult...
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not that I would, but billions of believers would disagree
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The time has come,' the Walrus said,
To talk of many things:
Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
Of cabbages — and kings —
And why the sea is boiling hot —
And whether pigs have wings.'
Materialism disagrees with all believers. And it's not a level playing field is it. The dialectical score is materialism infinity belief null.
And even if Love, the best case God, were to ground being, They couldn't be omniscient. By senior high 'math' alone: Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Or can a particle know its position and velocity? Or as every particle is ex Deo; infinitely everything everywhere is, grounded panentheistically in, as extensionless, God, from eternity at least, so They must know that which is unknowable, and... And do They know the unhappened future? And whether pigs have wings?
Nature is parsimonious.
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Re: Consciousness by Design: A Philosophical Argument for Functional Awareness in All Creation
The OP uses (pseudo-)philosophical language predicated on the unexaminable axiom of belief.