Progress

[Age]

Progress is adaptation, whether to society or the larger context of nature. Utilitarianism, sometimes, while being adapted to function in society, is at odds with its larger context of nature. Is that what you meant by the roses have thorns? Good analogy, Martin!

I've never liked the fact that American liberals now want to be called "Progressives". "Progress" suggests progressing toward some predetermined goal. "Liberal", on the other hand, suggest generosity and open mindedness. "Progessive" brings to my mind the clomping of Jack boots, marching in perfect unison.

I agree Liberal indicates open to negotiation, while progress is directionless.

Correct me if I am Wrong, here, but the words, 'the clomping of jack boots, marching in perfect unison', were in relation to 'a goal', and thus not in relation to 'directionless' at all, correct?

[popeye1945]

I've never liked the fact that American liberals now want to be called "Progressives". "Progress" suggests progressing toward some predetermined goal. "Liberal", on the other hand, suggest generosity and open mindedness. "Progessive" brings to my mind the clomping of Jack boots, marching in perfect unison.

I agree Liberal indicates open to negotiation, while progress is directionless.

Correct me if I am Wrong, here, but the words, 'the clomping of jack boots, marching in perfect unison', were in relation to 'a goal', and thus not in relation to 'directionless' at all, correct?

Point well taken, thanks for the input!

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Progress toward theoretical, ideal morality has started to regress globally. It's failed. As always. It fails progressively from the individual on up in cybernetic feedback loops. Always. It can't not. Sustainable, levelling up, third way, economic growth is the only barely feasible way to the mirage of social justice.