another problem of evil

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Not in the slightest Belinda. Good is measurable primarily by life expectancy; actuarial tables.

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

I continue stoically Belinda. And I always vote Labour. How else can we initially measure good?

[Belinda]

Not in the slightest Belinda. Good is measurable primarily by life expectancy; actuarial tables.

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

I continue stoically Belinda. And I always vote Labour. How else can we initially measure good?

That is reassuring and better than the passive voice. I know next to nothing about stoicism. However It seems to me that life expectancy is a quantification that does not necessarily imply quality of life. The hurdle is too low.

The hammer is not necessarily better than the nail . The honest friendly social man fulfils great nature's plan better than the man who eats meat and fresh vegetables every day and drives a Lamborghini ( Sort of quoted from Robert Burns poet)

[Martin Peter Clarke]

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

I continue stoically Belinda. And I always vote Labour. How else can we initially measure good?

That is reassuring and better than the passive voice. I know next to nothing about stoicism. However It seems to me that life expectancy is a quantification that does not necessarily imply quality of life. The hurdle is too low.

The hammer is not necessarily better than the nail . The honest friendly social man fulfils great nature's plan better than the man who eats meat and fresh vegetables every day and drives a Lamborghini ( Sort of quoted from Robert Burns poet)

Aye, Second Epistle to John Lapraik, and the quality outweighs the quantity in the main. But as a population, cultural, national guideline, it starts with political measures that maximize life expectancy. For the many. Not the few.

[popeye1945]

Not in the slightest Belinda. Good is measurable primarily by life expectancy, actuarial tables.

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice, please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

The only good is that which is thought of as biologically good. If one wishes harm on another, of course, good would be for that person what is harmful to the target biological subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things.

[Alexiev]

Not in the slightest Belinda. Good is measurable primarily by life expectancy, actuarial tables.

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice, please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

The only good is that which is thought of as biologically good. If one wishes harm on another, of course, good would be for that person what is harmful to the target biological subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things.

Bases on this principle, murdering a 50-year-old is not so evil as murdering a 20-year-old. Assisted suicide is evil -- but not SO bad, since it reduces life expectancy by only a few months. However, we should ban dangerous
activities like mountaineering. Maybe keeping everyone in safe, environmentally controlled, mandatory exercise prisons would work. Who cares about freedom? Who cares about quality of life? Only life expectancy is important!

[popeye1945]

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice, please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

The only good is that which is thought of as biologically good. If one wishes harm on another, of course, good would be for that person what is harmful to the target biological subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things.

Bases on this principle, murdering a 50-year-old is not so evil as murdering a 20-year-old. Assisted suicide is evil -- but not SO bad, since it reduces life expectancy by only a few months. However, we should ban dangerous
activities like mountaineering. Maybe keeping everyone in safe, environmentally controlled, mandatory exercise prisons would work. Who cares about freedom? Who cares about quality of life? Only life expectancy is important!

I never mentioned life expectancy.

[Alexiev]

I never mentioned life expectancy.

True. That was Martin.

[Belinda]

I continue stoically Belinda. And I always vote Labour. How else can we initially measure good?

That is reassuring and better than the passive voice. I know next to nothing about stoicism. However It seems to me that life expectancy is a quantification that does not necessarily imply quality of life. The hurdle is too low.

The hammer is not necessarily better than the nail . The honest friendly social man fulfils great nature's plan better than the man who eats meat and fresh vegetables every day and drives a Lamborghini ( Sort of quoted from Robert Burns poet)

Aye, Second Epistle to John Lapraik, and the quality outweighs the quantity in the main. But as a population, cultural, national guideline, it starts with political measures that maximize life expectancy. For the many. Not the few.

That's worth noting ----that political morality has criteria that don't apply to personal morality. The greatest happiness of the greatest number applies to political morality but is irrelevant for personal morality.
Thanks so much for introducing John Lapraik. I had not known about him.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

That is reassuring and better than the passive voice. I know next to nothing about stoicism. However It seems to me that life expectancy is a quantification that does not necessarily imply quality of life. The hurdle is too low.

The hammer is not necessarily better than the nail . The honest friendly social man fulfils great nature's plan better than the man who eats meat and fresh vegetables every day and drives a Lamborghini ( Sort of quoted from Robert Burns poet)

Aye, Second Epistle to John Lapraik, and the quality outweighs the quantity in the main. But as a population, cultural, national guideline, it starts with political measures that maximize life expectancy. For the many. Not the few.

That's worth noting ----that political morality has criteria that don't apply to personal morality. The greatest happiness of the greatest number applies to political morality but is irrelevant for personal morality.
Thanks so much for introducing John Lapraik. I had not known about him.

Aye. Politics is inevitably a much dirtier, 'compromised', business.

[Lacewing]

I have long suspected that religion was used to create the concept of evil not only to control people through fear, but...

also to claim that the religion itself was elevated above, and righteously fighting against, such evil...

which resulted in religion becoming the perfect place for its own creation to hide, grow, and operate...

while the religion could supposedly fulfill its own divine prophecy/destiny of battling an enemy, projected to be elsewhere.

It's a self-sustaining and self-glorifying setup...

and look how this unconscious religious creation seeks to control the White House and the world.

A hellbent religious nightmare bringing us all along for the ride?

[Age]

I have long suspected that religion was used to create the concept of evil not only to control people through fear, but...

also to claim that the religion itself was elevated above, and righteously fighting against, such evil...

Okay, but some people can see and observe the actual 'evil' happening and occurring in 'the world'. But, as always this all depends on how words are being defined, exactly.

which resulted in religion becoming the perfect place for its own creation to hide, grow, and operate...

But, 'religion' can and does exist in things like 'science', as well. But, again, all depending on how words, themselves, are being defined, exactly.

while the religion could supposedly fulfill its own divine prophecy/destiny of battling an enemy, projected to be elsewhere.

It's a self-sustaining and self-glorifying setup...

and look how this unconscious religious creation seeks to control the White House and the world.

A hellbent religious nightmare bringing us all along for the ride?

[Belinda]

I have long suspected that religion was used to create the concept of evil not only to control people through fear, but...

also to claim that the religion itself was elevated above, and righteously fighting against, such evil...

which resulted in religion becoming the perfect place for its own creation to hide, grow, and operate...

while the religion could supposedly fulfill its own divine prophecy/destiny of battling an enemy, projected to be elsewhere.

It's a self-sustaining and self-glorifying setup...

and look how this unconscious religious creation seeks to control the White House and the world.

A hellbent religious nightmare bringing us all along for the ride?

The Trump regime are not Christians but pretend to be Christians to make themselves more popular with voters. 'Faithful America 'is the name of a Christian organisation that is protecting Christianity in small peaceful ways.

[Lacewing]

The Trump regime are not Christians but pretend to be Christians to make themselves more popular with voters.

Yes. What is shocking is how many Christians support such a regime... 'evil' by their own standards. (Jesus would not vote for Trump or his agenda!) That's the sort of thing that seems to demonstrate (to me) how susceptible religion is to its own evils. Such followers cannot see or think clearly. They are intoxicated with their notions of separateness and evil. They would bring about Armageddon (so to speak) to fulfill their own demented prophecies... while blaming it on someone/something else.

Lately, I've been wondering how Bible prophecies might actually be warning the Christians about themselves... and where their creations lead?

'Faithful America 'is the name of a Christian organisation that is protecting Christianity in small peaceful ways.

That's truly wonderful. I appreciate any people who maintain clarity and open hearts.

I know there are wonderful people throughout the Christian traditions and teachings. But the larger movement seems like a monster to me, full of its own distortions, deception, delusions, and the power to destroy all that is actually and already naturally good and divine.

[Belinda]

The Trump regime are not Christians but pretend to be Christians to make themselves more popular with voters.

Yes. What is shocking is how many Christians support such a regime... 'evil' by their own standards. (Jesus would not vote for Trump or his agenda!) That's the sort of thing that seems to demonstrate (to me) how susceptible religion is to its own evils. Such followers cannot see or think clearly. They are intoxicated with their notions of separateness and evil. They would bring about Armageddon (so to speak) to fulfill their own demented prophecies... while blaming it on someone/something else.

Lately, I've been wondering how Bible prophecies might actually be warning the Christians about themselves... and where their creations lead?

'Faithful America 'is the name of a Christian organisation that is protecting Christianity in small peaceful ways.

That's truly wonderful. I appreciate any people who maintain clarity and open hearts.

I know there are wonderful people throughout the Christian traditions and teachings. But the larger movement seems like a monster to me, full of its own distortions, deception, delusions, and the power to destroy all that is actually and already naturally good and divine.

The power to destroy is what scares me. I don't see any need to put Armageddon in scare quotes.

(Well except that Biblical language is unpopular , such a pity, certain people lay claim to ownership of our literary heritage.)

[Martin Peter Clarke]

So you continue in the same vein. I note you use the passive voice. Instead of the passive voice, please tell exactly what is the political party of those persons who measure good by life expectancy.

The only good is that which is thought of as biologically good. If one wishes harm on another, of course, good would be for that person what is harmful to the target biological subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things.

Bases on this principle, murdering a 50-year-old is not so evil as murdering a 20-year-old. Assisted suicide is evil -- but not SO bad, since it reduces life expectancy by only a few months. However, we should ban dangerous
activities like mountaineering. Maybe keeping everyone in safe, environmentally controlled, mandatory exercise prisons would work. Who cares about freedom? Who cares about quality of life? Only life expectancy is important!

Quality of life creates quantity of life.