The Democrat Party Hates America

[Belinda]

"your goods put not to usury" is a biblical commandment, particularly referenced in Psalm 15:5 and Deuteronomy 23:19, advocating against charging interest on loans, especially to fellow Israelites.

So far, so good.

But Immanuel Can says capitalism was invented by socialists:
The whole idea of "capitalism" was "developed" by Marxists during the last century, during the Industrial Revolution. It had no existence before. Before that, you had things like feudalism and aristocracy.

You are mixing up two different concepts: "capitalism" and "usury." They're not at all the same, even in Marxist thought.

Capitalism is basically charging interest to someone else for the use of your capital----- i.e. your money. or your goods.
Immanuel, you can't see that because we all do it. The modern world economy is built on capitalism.

When capitalism becomes exploitation of weak people, poor people, then capitalism is evil, and the moral rule as in Deuteronomy against usury, kicks in. To poor people, weak people , we should give money and goods with no strings attached no usury. No debts to be repaid by people who are struggling to keep themselves and their families alive.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Glen Greenwald on danger to American’s civil liberties.

Reason article.

[commonsense]

What do you mean "en masse"? A mass of genuine criminals being deported is unequivocally a good thing, don't you think? Are you trying to suggest they didn't check to see who they were deporting? The opposite looks to be true, as it seems they can give quite a detailed account of who they're deporting and why; so you'll have to justify that concern.

But did anyone check to see if these detailed accounts included any convictions by US courts?

Convictions of what? If you're an illegal migrant, you've already violated federal law. You're convicted; case closed. There isn't even a possible defense for that. Why didn't you come in at a legal port of entry, if you had a case?

Good question. Should be answered in court.

[commonsense]

What's your evidence that this is being done? It seems a very bizarre thing to allege, so you'll need to back it up, of course.

What do you mean, being done? Are you saying it’s NOT HAPPENING?

You say that people are being deported on no more than the appearance of a tattoo. You'll need to show that's so, because it defies common sense, so it will be hard for anybody to believe.

Yes, it defies common sense, but it has happened.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Yes, it defies common sense, but it has happened.

If the reference is to the Garcia case the evidence was more than simply tattoos. There were various circumstantial evidences.

In his case — this is the crucial point — the courts granted him a limited right to be in the country. The issue starts there and ends there.

If the present administration or any administration can neglect a specific protection such as this, even though limited, then this or any administration need pay no heed to any granted right (to an immigrant for example) or to a citizen. And that is where the danger is.

Nothing wrong with deporting criminal gangs. Nothing illegal about deporting those who entered the US illegally.

Yes something wrong with deporting a man who had legal status granted by a court.

And, unfortunately, there are issues with even those Venezuelans deported without following certain specific, outlined protocols.

The rules have to be observed. Or it opens cans of worms that will never close.

[commonsense]

Respectfully, I stand corrected.

[henry quirk]

As I say up-thread: El Presidente Bukele sez he ain't cuttin' (Garcia) loose. He's a done deal. His situation will not be remedied.

So: all that can be done, movin' forward, is providing swift, minimal, due process for all the other illegal aliens.

Set up regional centers. Run 'em 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Staff 'em with a rotating crew of administrative law judges. Only relevant issue: are you here, in these United States, legally or not?

We know the answer.

So it's in & out, in & out, in & out.

In bein' just caught and out bein' on a plane to who the hell cares.

Problem solved: you're welcome.

[Alexiev]

Convictions of what? If you're an illegal migrant, you've already violated federal law. You're convicted; case closed. There isn't even a possible defense for that. Why didn't you come in at a legal port of entry, if you had a case?

My nephew is a hero cop -- awarded the highest medal for courage to which a police officer can aspire when he was rhe first responder to a mass shooting after only 2 months on the job. His live-in girlfiend is a "dreamer"; her parents immigrated illegally when she was one year old. Her two children were born here and are citizens.

It's perhaps obnoxious to say she has "already violated federal law". Really? A one year old who had no choice in the matter is a crook?

If ICE busts her she could be forced to move to Mexico for six years, even if my Nephew marries her. Since my nephew is 6'4" and 225 pounds of solid muscle (as well as being well armed), I pity the ICE officers who try to arrest her. However, the current deportation policies are troubling to me and my family, as they should be to everyone.

[henry quirk]

His live-in girlfiend is a "dreamer"; her parents immigrated illegally when she was one year old.

Since reachin' the age of majority: has she tried to square things with the law?

[Alexiev]

His live-in girlfiend is a "dreamer"; her parents immigrated illegally when she was one year old.

Since reachin' the age of majority: has she tried to square things with the law?

I don't know the details. If she hasn't, I wouldn't advise doing so now. Lie low!

[henry quirk]

His live-in girlfiend is a "dreamer"; her parents immigrated illegally when she was one year old.

Since reachin' the age of majority: has she tried to square things with the law?

I don't know the details. If she hasn't, I wouldn't advise doing so now. Lie low!

I'd advise the same.

But you get my point, yeah? As an infant she's helpless. As an adult, she bears some responsibility for her status. At the least, she should have quietly looked to secure herself against a shifting political climate and The Powers That Be, current and future.

[Impenitent]

...

So it's in & out, in & out, in & out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW3PSKJ-Bik

(about 1:05)

-Imp

[Alexis Jacobi]

As I say up-thread: El Presidente Bukele sez he ain't cuttin' (Garcia) loose. He's a done deal. His situation will not be remedied.

Garcia was removed from CECOT (if he ever was put there) and is now said to be in a lower security prison/jail or holding center. At least this is what I recently read.

[Belinda]

Convictions of what? If you're an illegal migrant, you've already violated federal law. You're convicted; case closed. There isn't even a possible defense for that. Why didn't you come in at a legal port of entry, if you had a case?

My nephew is a hero cop -- awarded the highest medal for courage to which a police officer can aspire when he was rhe first responder to a mass shooting after only 2 months on the job. His live-in girlfiend is a "dreamer"; her parents immigrated illegally when she was one year old. Her two children were born here and are citizens.

It's perhaps obnoxious to say she has "already violated federal law". Really? A one year old who had no choice in the matter is a crook?

If ICE busts her she could be forced to move to Mexico for six years, even if my Nephew marries her. Since my nephew is 6'4" and 225 pounds of solid muscle (as well as being well armed), I pity the ICE officers who try to arrest her. However, the current deportation policies are troubling to me and my family, as they should be to everyone.

I hear some Americans are considering emigrating on account of insecure liberty.I hope your family will be safe.

[Alexiev]

I hear some Americans are considering emigrating on account of insecure liberty.I hope your family will be safe.

Thanks. Strangely, my nephew's brother is also married to an immigrant. They had a green card marriage here so she could stay in the country, and I went to their blow-out wedding in India a year ago (the last time I saw my cop nephew, whose girlfriend, of course, could not accompany him. This woman is finishing year 2 ar one of the top medical schools in the country. Given the shortage of doctors, her immigration is great for America.

Of course pustolero (ass that he is) might disapprove of the miscegenation.