The fake divinity of a man and his single mother

[attofishpi]

so in that sense, no GOD is not a man.

Yes, agreed.

So you agree that GOD is ALL reality? Pantheism to some extent.

However, GOD can form, incarnate into a man - as IT - GOD did via Jesus the Christ.

No, rejected.

God does not incarnate as a man.

Otherwise, every baboon and its little sister can claim that they are God incarnate. That is exactly what the emperor of Japan kept doing until the Americans under McArthur in 1945 told him to cut the crap, which he did.

That is what many dictators - North Korean included make the claim - to give credence to their position to the sheep.

Jesus the Christ went to his death remaining with the slighlty less claim as being the SON of GOD. Had he done what the Jew priests wanted at the time, to refuse the claim of being the Judaic 'messiah', he would not have been crucified, He refused and continued on his path to great suffering.

For good reason Christ stated he was merely the son of GOD, back then it would be one thing to state to everyone that "I AM GOD" and quite another to state I am merely GOD's offspring.

Since GOD made itself very aware to me, GOD/sage did state to me that He did as purported in the Gospels - that he went to his death and resurrected. From what I have witnessed (*of "miracles") since 1997 I know this GOD entity, controller - omnipotent to ALL out perceivable reality is capable of resurrection of Christ - operating at or below the Planck scale.

It has only been in recent years that I have comprehended that Christ was indeed, GOD incarnate. GOD did not make anyone else go through what Christ DID - the suffering, and I now under_stand Y he did it.

The principle of a God incarnate is so incredibly prone to abuse that it must be rejected. That is exactly what Judaism and Islam wisely do. Only Christians refuse to accept some sanity in the matter. The Christian argument always revolves around bullshit similar to:

Since God is omnipotent, he can turn 2+2 into 5 if he chooses to do so.

Omnipotent to ALL reality does not change mathematics, physics as we understand it YES, but not man's mathematics.

GOD had you born into Christian upringing for a reason, and you reject your birth per GOD's placement. When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

[godelian]

When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

I already live in SE Asia which is my favorite part of the world.

If I had to choose between North Africa, the Persian Gulf or the West, then the West would be the very last option.

Concerning Africa, things such as electricity and running water may not work properly in some parts of sub Saharan Africa. In the parts that it does, however, I would choose that African place any time over the West.

Furthermore, if need be, the issue of running water can usually be solved (digging a well), electricity too (solar panels and battery storage), internet too (Starlink). It's just much more convenient, cheaper , and requiring no investment, when someone else has solved these problems already. This is the case everywhere on the globe except for some areas in sub Saharan Africa.

I don't need to be in the West for the sake of making money. You can do software engineering and liquidity providing in cryptocurrency markets from anywhere on the globe, including Antarctica. I've made most of my money while I was in SE Asia to the point that I don't need to make any money for the rest of my life.

The countries with the worst cost of living crisis are quickly turning into worst shit holes on earth. A good proxy is the electricity price per KwH.

ChatGPT: How much is the price per KwH in us dollars in UK, Germany, Malaysia, Thailand, and China?

In dollar cents

UK 36
Germany 40
Malaysia 5
Thailand 13
China 7

So, Malaysia is price-quality the most attractive place to spend my money in. Wherever I am, I always make exactly as much money, if I am interested in making money to begin with, because I really don't have to. So, what's the point of living in the UK or in Germany? What exactly would I gain, except paying more for everything?

[attofishpi]

AGAIN: you are ignoring everything I am stating - concentrating on PANTHEISM - which I stated was only to an extent - that extent being PAN to our REALITY. Christianity denies Pantheism..my experience of GOD is that it IS PAN, omnipotent to our perceivable REAL_IT_Y.

Address my statements PER your thread TITLE: "The fake divinity of a man and his single mother."
You've provided nothing of any rationale to back your thread title...

so in that sense, no GOD is not a man.

Yes, agreed.

So you agree that GOD is ALL perceivalble reality?

However, GOD can form, incarnate into a man - as IT - GOD did via Jesus the Christ.

No, rejected.

God does not incarnate as a man.

Otherwise, every baboon and its little sister can claim that they are God incarnate. That is exactly what the emperor of Japan kept doing until the Americans under McArthur in 1945 told him to cut the crap, which he did.

That is what many dictators - North Korean included make the claim - to give credence to their position to the sheep.

Jesus the Christ went to his death remaining with the slighlty less claim as being the SON of GOD. Had he done what the Jew priests wanted at the time, to refuse the claim of being the Judaic 'messiah', he would not have been crucified, He refused and continued on his path to great suffering.

For good reason Christ stated he was merely the son of GOD, back then it would be one thing to state to everyone that "I AM GOD" and quite another to state I am merely GOD's offspring.

Since GOD made itself very aware to me, GOD/sage did state to me that He did as purported in the Gospels - that he went to his death and resurrected. From what I have witnessed (*of "miracles") since 1997 I know this GOD entity, controller - omnipotent to ALL out perceivable reality is capable of resurrection of Christ - operating at or below the Planck scale.

It has only been in recent years that I have comprehended that Christ was indeed, GOD incarnate. GOD did not make anyone else go through what Christ DID - the suffering, and I now under_stand Y he did it.

The principle of a God incarnate is so incredibly prone to abuse that it must be rejected. That is exactly what Judaism and Islam wisely do. Only Christians refuse to accept some sanity in the matter. The Christian argument always revolves around bullshit similar to:

Since God is omnipotent, he can turn 2+2 into 5 if he chooses to do so.

Omnipotent to ALL reality does not change mathematics, physics as we understand it YES, but not man's mathematics.

GOD had you born into Christian upringing for a reason, and you reject your birth per GOD's placement. When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

[godelian]

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So you agree that GOD is ALL reality? Pantheism to some extent.

ChatGPT: is pantheism compatible with Islam?

Pantheism and Islam differ significantly in their core theological concepts, so they are generally considered incompatible in mainstream Islamic theology.

Here's a breakdown:

What is Pantheism?
Pantheism is the belief that God and the universe are identical, or that everything collectively is divine. In this view, God is not a separate, personal being but is immanent in all things.

Core Islamic Beliefs:
Islam is strictly monotheistic (tawḥīd). It teaches that:
God (Allah) is unique, singular, and transcendent — not identical with creation.
Allah is separate from and above His creation, though He is also "closer than your jugular vein" in terms of knowledge and presence (Qur'an 50:16).
Worship is directed to a personal, distinct deity, not to the universe or nature.

Incompatibilities:
Immanence vs. Transcendence: Islam emphasizes transcendence; pantheism blurs or denies it.
Creator/creation distinction: Islam maintains a clear boundary between the Creator and creation, while pantheism dissolves that boundary.
Shirk (associating partners with God): Identifying the universe or nature as divine could fall under shirk, the gravest sin in Islam.

Bottom line:
Classical pantheism isn't compatible with Islam as understood by most scholars and schools of thought.

I personally see God as an active Platonic abstraction similar to mathematical objects but with revealed attributes associated:

ChatGPT: Islam attributes of Allah

1. Essential Attributes (Ṣifāt Dhātiyyah)

These describe Allah’s inherent nature — they do not change and are not dependent on creation.

Al-Ḥayy (The Ever-Living)
Al-Qayyūm (The Self-Subsisting)
Al-Aḥad (The One and Only)
Aṣ-Ṣamad (The Self-Sufficient)
Al-‘Alīm (The All-Knowing)
Al-Qadīr (The All-Powerful)
As-Samī‘ (The All-Hearing)
Al-Baṣīr (The All-Seeing)
Al-Mutakabbir (The Supreme)
Al-‘Azīz (The Almighty)

2. Active Attributes (Ṣifāt Fi‘liyyah)

These relate to Allah’s actions, especially in relation to creation.

Al-Khāliq (The Creator)
Al-Bāri’ (The Evolver)
Al-Muṣawwir (The Fashioner)
Ar-Razzāq (The Provider)
Al-Muḥyī (The Giver of Life)
Al-Mumīt (The Taker of Life)
Al-‘Adl (The Just)
Al-Ghafūr (The Forgiving)
Ar-Raḥmān (The Most Merciful)
Ar-Raḥīm (The Especially Merciful)
Al-Malik (The Sovereign)
Al-Hakīm (The Wise)

While the notion of "active Platonic abstraction" comes from intuition, the attributes come from revelation.

I do not believe in Pantheism at all. The active Platonic abstraction can communicate with us, but is not part of the physical universe. It is part of the same Platonic universe where you can find numbers, sets, types, functions, combinators, and other mathematical objects and abstractions.

[attofishpi]

AGAIN: you are ignoring everything I am stating - concentrating on PANTHEISM - which I stated was only to an extent - that extent being PAN to our REALITY. Christianity denies Pantheism..my experience of GOD is that it IS PAN, omnipotent to our perceivable REAL_IT_Y.

Address my statements PER your thread TITLE: "The fake divinity of a man and his single mother."
You've provided nothing of any rationale to back your thread title...

so in that sense, no GOD is not a man.

Yes, agreed.

So you agree that GOD is ALL perceivalble reality?

However, GOD can form, incarnate into a man - as IT - GOD did via Jesus the Christ.

No, rejected.

God does not incarnate as a man.

Otherwise, every baboon and its little sister can claim that they are God incarnate. That is exactly what the emperor of Japan kept doing until the Americans under McArthur in 1945 told him to cut the crap, which he did.

That is what many dictators - North Korean included make the claim - to give credence to their position to the sheep.

Jesus the Christ went to his death remaining with the slighlty less claim as being the SON of GOD. Had he done what the Jew priests wanted at the time, to refuse the claim of being the Judaic 'messiah', he would not have been crucified, He refused and continued on his path to great suffering.

For good reason Christ stated he was merely the son of GOD, back then it would be one thing to state to everyone that "I AM GOD" and quite another to state I am merely GOD's offspring.

Since GOD made itself very aware to me, GOD/sage did state to me that He did as purported in the Gospels - that he went to his death and resurrected. From what I have witnessed (*of "miracles") since 1997 I know this GOD entity, controller - omnipotent to ALL out perceivable reality is capable of resurrection of Christ - operating at or below the Planck scale.

It has only been in recent years that I have comprehended that Christ was indeed, GOD incarnate. GOD did not make anyone else go through what Christ DID - the suffering, and I now under_stand Y he did it.

The principle of a God incarnate is so incredibly prone to abuse that it must be rejected. That is exactly what Judaism and Islam wisely do. Only Christians refuse to accept some sanity in the matter. The Christian argument always revolves around bullshit similar to:

Since God is omnipotent, he can turn 2+2 into 5 if he chooses to do so.

Omnipotent to ALL reality does not change mathematics, physics as we understand it YES, but not man's mathematics.

GOD had you born into Christian upringing for a reason, and you reject your birth per GOD's placement. When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

[godelian]

AGAIN: you are ignoring everything I am stating - concentrating on PANTHEISM - which I stated was only to an extent - that extent being PAN to our REALITY. Christianity denies Pantheism..my experience of GOD is that it IS PAN, omnipotent to our perceivable REAL_IT_Y.

Physical reality is just one subsection of complete reality. Abstract Platonic reality is another section. Pantheism equates God with some subsection of reality. That is not how I understand things.

[Belinda]

And you my dear, are naive.
Popes have no power.....not for a long time.
Presidents are figureheads, especially those following Kennedy's assassination and Nixon's impeachment.

They represent their handlers, those that fund them and promote them.....their groomers.
Biden made it obvious to all, except the naive, like you.
He was a brain-dead man, of minimum intellect, even in his youth, but he was a loyal Zionist.
Bush jr. is a complete moron, yet he was placed in office, because he was easily manipulate.

Trump is a narcissistic blowhard, but he was groomed by Cohn, and Adler is his handler....and he's done the Zionist bidding like a good puppet.

Grow up.....This isn't Middle Earth.

Yes, I sometimes think President Trump is a figurehead who is good for manipulating crowds , and the US is actually ruled by his henchmen.

However Mar a Lago and its life of luxury is far from the chosen lifestyle of the frugal and modest Francis. Francis had power to exemplify good, as did Jesus. As did Sam and Frodo.

Middle Earth is unreal insofar as real Earth contains no beautiful Elves who can do no wrong. The struggle against evil is like we are all on our own here with no help from supernatural beings like the Elves in Lord of the Rings.

[Belinda]

AGAIN: you are ignoring everything I am stating - concentrating on PANTHEISM - which I stated was only to an extent - that extent being PAN to our REALITY. Christianity denies Pantheism..my experience of GOD is that it IS PAN, omnipotent to our perceivable REAL_IT_Y.

Address my statements PER your thread TITLE: "The fake divinity of a man and his single mother."
You've provided nothing of any rationale to back your thread title...

so in that sense, no GOD is not a man.

Yes, agreed.

So you agree that GOD is ALL perceivalble reality?

However, GOD can form, incarnate into a man - as IT - GOD did via Jesus the Christ.

No, rejected.

God does not incarnate as a man.

Otherwise, every baboon and its little sister can claim that they are God incarnate. That is exactly what the emperor of Japan kept doing until the Americans under McArthur in 1945 told him to cut the crap, which he did.

That is what many dictators - North Korean included make the claim - to give credence to their position to the sheep.

Jesus the Christ went to his death remaining with the slighlty less claim as being the SON of GOD. Had he done what the Jew priests wanted at the time, to refuse the claim of being the Judaic 'messiah', he would not have been crucified, He refused and continued on his path to great suffering.

For good reason Christ stated he was merely the son of GOD, back then it would be one thing to state to everyone that "I AM GOD" and quite another to state I am merely GOD's offspring.

Since GOD made itself very aware to me, GOD/sage did state to me that He did as purported in the Gospels - that he went to his death and resurrected. From what I have witnessed (*of "miracles") since 1997 I know this GOD entity, controller - omnipotent to ALL out perceivable reality is capable of resurrection of Christ - operating at or below the Planck scale.

It has only been in recent years that I have comprehended that Christ was indeed, GOD incarnate. GOD did not make anyone else go through what Christ DID - the suffering, and I now under_stand Y he did it.

The principle of a God incarnate is so incredibly prone to abuse that it must be rejected. That is exactly what Judaism and Islam wisely do. Only Christians refuse to accept some sanity in the matter. The Christian argument always revolves around bullshit similar to:

Since God is omnipotent, he can turn 2+2 into 5 if he chooses to do so.

Omnipotent to ALL reality does not change mathematics, physics as we understand it YES, but not man's mathematics.

GOD had you born into Christian upringing for a reason, and you reject your birth per GOD's placement. When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

Atto, I think most of us struggle a bit with the idea of the triune God.

Your strength is that you experienced for yourself an alternative form of consciousness. Good luck to you; you are on the right track as long as you remain a seeker after truth and don't idolise only one set of intellectual ideas.

[attofishpi]

Atto, I think most of us struggle a bit with the idea of the triune God.

I've already explained some time ago my analysis or mere belief of what the trinity is to godelian - he had no reply, ergo, no argument.

Your strength is that you experienced for yourself an alternative form of consciousness.

I am not certain what you mean by that, in what context?

Good luck to you; you are on the right track as long as you remain a seeker after truth and don't idolise only one set of intellectual ideas.

Absolutely Belinda, I am still open to the concept that we are within a non divine simulation construct of reality - personally, since what I was made to suffer and what sage/GOD stated re Christ, I am sticking with a Divine GOD reality.

[attofishpi]

AGAIN: you are ignoring everything I am stating - concentrating on PANTHEISM - which I stated was only to an extent - that extent being PAN to our REALITY. Christianity denies Pantheism..my experience of GOD is that it IS PAN, omnipotent to our perceivable REAL_IT_Y.

Physical reality is just one subsection of complete reality. Abstract Platonic reality is another section. Pantheism equates God with some subsection of reality. That is not how I understand things.

Reality is reality, no matter how you want to twist the cards.

My personal quote is: Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

We are within REALITY - no matter whether there is another platitude to "IT"..

[Belinda]

Atto, I think most of us struggle a bit with the idea of the triune God.

I've already explained some time ago my analysis or mere belief of what the trinity is to godelian - he had no reply, ergo, no argument.

Your strength is that you experienced for yourself an alternative form of consciousness.

I am not certain what you mean by that, in what context?

Good luck to you; you are on the right track as long as you remain a seeker after truth and don't idolise only one set of intellectual ideas.

Absolutely Belinda, I am still open to the concept that we are within a non divine simulation construct of reality - personally, since what I was made to suffer and what sage/GOD stated re Christ, I am sticking with a Divine GOD reality.

Atto, I may be mistaken, but I thought you experienced an encounter with what you took to be God. Such encounters we often adapted to intellectual beliefs, which I gather is what you yourself did. The fleeting experience is one of not being an ego, and is an important learning experience, as long as it's spontaneous and not induced by psychedelic substances.

[Belinda]

When you reincarnate, you will likely be reincarnated into the crap you now believe (Islam) - likely in some African\Middle Eastern shithole.

I already live in SE Asia which is my favorite part of the world.

If I had to choose between North Africa, the Persian Gulf or the West, then the West would be the very last option.

Concerning Africa, things such as electricity and running water may not work properly in some parts of sub Saharan Africa. In the parts that it does, however, I would choose that African place any time over the West.

Furthermore, if need be, the issue of running water can usually be solved (digging a well), electricity too (solar panels and battery storage), internet too (Starlink). It's just much more convenient, cheaper , and requiring no investment, when someone else has solved these problems already. This is the case everywhere on the globe except for some areas in sub Saharan Africa.

I don't need to be in the West for the sake of making money. You can do software engineering and liquidity providing in cryptocurrency markets from anywhere on the globe, including Antarctica. I've made most of my money while I was in SE Asia to the point that I don't need to make any money for the rest of my life.

The countries with the worst cost of living crisis are quickly turning into worst shit holes on earth. A good proxy is the electricity price per KwH.

ChatGPT: How much is the price per KwH in us dollars in UK, Germany, Malaysia, Thailand, and China?

In dollar cents

UK 36
Germany 40
Malaysia 5
Thailand 13
China 7

So, Malaysia is price-quality the most attractive place to spend my money in. Wherever I am, I always make exactly as much money, if I am interested in making money to begin with, because I really don't have to. So, what's the point of living in the UK or in Germany? What exactly would I gain, except paying more for everything?

You say nothing about freedom and responsibility. Is your life about nothing but earning and spending your money?

[Pistolero]

Yes, I sometimes think President Trump is a figurehead who is good for manipulating crowds , and the US is actually ruled by his henchmen.

No, Dear...you are trying to comfort yourself....all of them.
Biden included.
Obama, included.
Clinton included.
Not just the one that suits you.

A 30+ trillion dollar empire will not place its fate in the hands of dim-wit midwit Americans, like you.
That's not how it works.....

They manipulate yo and you do not even know it.

Middle Earth is unreal insofar as real Earth contains no beautiful Elves who can do no wrong. The struggle against evil is like we are all on our own here with no help from supernatural beings like the Elves in Lord of the Rings.

No good/evil dear....it's only in your head.
No cosmic evil....no Satan.

ALL value-judgments, are relative to an objective.

For Sauron Gandalf is 'evil' because he prevents him from realizing his goals.

[attofishpi]

Atto, I think most of us struggle a bit with the idea of the triune God.

I've already explained some time ago my analysis or mere belief of what the trinity is to godelian - he had no reply, ergo, no argument.

Your strength is that you experienced for yourself an alternative form of consciousness.

I am not certain what you mean by that, in what context?

Good luck to you; you are on the right track as long as you remain a seeker after truth and don't idolise only one set of intellectual ideas.

Absolutely Belinda, I am still open to the concept that we are within a non divine simulation construct of reality - personally, since what I was made to suffer and what sage/GOD stated re Christ, I am sticking with a Divine GOD reality.

Atto, I may be mistaken, but I thought you experienced an encounter with what you took to be God. Such encounters we often adapted to intellectual beliefs, which I gather is what you yourself did. The fleeting experience is one of not being an ego, and is an important learning experience, as long as it's spontaneous and not induced by psychedelic substances.

Your statement clearly demonstrates to me that you have paid little attention to what I have been discussing since joining the forum. "An encounter" is singular - if I had one encounter I'd have little to base my analysis on.

I have taken psychedelic substances - whilst on any of them, I have never experienced ANYTHING pertaining to GOD.

[accelafine]

I've already explained some time ago my analysis or mere belief of what the trinity is to godelian - he had no reply, ergo, no argument.




I am not certain what you mean by that, in what context?




Absolutely Belinda, I am still open to the concept that we are within a non divine simulation construct of reality - personally, since what I was made to suffer and what sage/GOD stated re Christ, I am sticking with a Divine GOD reality.

Atto, I may be mistaken, but I thought you experienced an encounter with what you took to be God. Such encounters we often adapted to intellectual beliefs, which I gather is what you yourself did. The fleeting experience is one of not being an ego, and is an important learning experience, as long as it's spontaneous and not induced by psychedelic substances.

Your statement clearly demonstrates to me that you have paid little attention to what I have been discussing since joining the forum. "An encounter" is singular - if I had one encounter I'd have little to base my analysis on.

I have taken psychedelic substances - whilst on any of them, I have never experienced ANYTHING pertaining to GOD.

I thought I told you, it's your gut bacteria communicating with you via psychedelics.