Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

[Alexis Jacobi]

It would be easier, and we may all learn from each other if we all spoke the same language. By "language " I refer to the meanings of words in The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy or similar. These are really cheap to buy and easy to refer to.

There would be no need for Alexis or anyone else to invent a personal definition of 'metaphysics'.

Similarly "the great design" is usually called Cosmos with or without capital letter. Some people call Cosmos "the Almighty Creator," if they care for personification.

A few thoughts:

We have to recognize that we do not in fact speak the same language. If you, Belindo, were to better understand this you would achieve more understanding of the nature of oppositions in our present.

It is not really a question of vocabulary and the definition of words, but more that we are informed by different sources and streams.

For example you say that you do not understand Pistolero. But it is not because he invents new definitions for words. But rather that he has been exposing himself to ideas and reading fully off your radar. In my case I have read (am reading) many of those authors so it is familiar to me.

You object that I offer my own sense of how the term metaphysic can be useful in our present where perspectival shifts are immense and dramatic. I was educated at a college that valued innovation in the interpretation of the classic texts. So I give myself interpretive rights.

Ideas, words, definitions, concepts — for me these are such things as genuine conservatism requires to “hold onto the world ”.

No Belinda! The Great Design is totally new. You have to conceive of it all over again, as if a Child facing Nature for the first time.

The Cosmos, in your lexicon, refers to the superficial surface. You hear the word but gloss over it. The term Great Design refers to something standing behind what is manifest and it is that to which I refer.

Here, I figure you knew many of these people, am I right? It is an interesting but a strange interview.

[Pistolero]

My definitions begin with the apparent.
I write down what I perceive as apparent, and then try to explain it, without contradicting what I see.

Theirs...with the written.
Different methodology, exposing different motives.
My motives are clarity and understanding...theirs are comfort and immortality.
Salvation. To be protected and provided for - herd psychology.

The difference is culturally described here:

…for the Hebrew the most important of his senses for the experience of truth was his hearing (as
well as various kinds of feeling), but for the Greek it had to be his sight; or perhaps inversely, because Greeks
were organized in a predominately visual way and the Hebrew in a predominately auditory way, each
people’s conception of truth was formed in increasingly different ways

Masculine, hunter, relies on sight. Offensive.
Feminine, herd, relies on sound. Defensive.

What they've heard is more significant than what they've seen.
If what they hear contradicts what they see, they will always choose their hearing....gossip.....hearsay.....texts.

[attofishpi]

What do you mean by that? what bot?

Don't worry Fletcher, many people upon this forum are obsessed with 'bots' - AI - they seem to think so many new to the forum are some auto AI bot. They tend to be the people that cannot discern the difference as to when a a human is using AI for research and making valid points, in comparison to some AI bot that has self joined the forum and started posting! They don't understand the technology - that AI has NO ability to self reason.

As I recall you were the one who said Mr. Mike the Big was AI...

Just been catching up on some of my email notifications.

No, I never stated BigMike was AI, as others may have, I merely suggested he is using AI to assist in his grammar and structure of what he has to say - AND you know that. You know I made the point that as far as I was concerned he was a combination!!

Stop being dishonest in your dealings with me, I'd prefer to remain on side.

[accelafine]

Don't worry Fletcher, many people upon this forum are obsessed with 'bots' - AI - they seem to think so many new to the forum are some auto AI bot. They tend to be the people that cannot discern the difference as to when a a human is using AI for research and making valid points, in comparison to some AI bot that has self joined the forum and started posting! They don't understand the technology - that AI has NO ability to self reason.

As I recall you were the one who said Mr. Mike the Big was AI...

Just been catching up on some of my email notifications.

No, I never stated BigMike was AI, as others may have, I merely suggested he is using AI to assist in his grammar and structure of what he has to say - AND you know that. You know I made the point that as far as I was concerned he was a combination!!

Stop being dishonest in your dealings with me, I'd prefer to remain on side.

Explain how he does it then. Even I get occasional typos, but I haven't seen a single one in his comments. Not that I need AI. I can think for myself. I'm just interested to know how he does it.

[attofishpi]

As I recall you were the one who said Mr. Mike the Big was AI...

Just been catching up on some of my email notifications.

No, I never stated BigMike was AI, as others may have, I merely suggested he is using AI to assist in his grammar and structure of what he has to say - AND you know that. You know I made the point that as far as I was concerned he was a combination!!

Stop being dishonest in your dealings with me, I'd prefer to remain on side.

Explain how he does it then. Even I get occasional typos, but I haven't seen a single one in his comments. Not that I need AI. I can think for myself. I'm just interested to know how he does it.

Well then, the obvious way to test that is write a prompt to ChatGPT stating what points you are attempting to make to a PHILOSOPHY forum, paste what you have currently written and ask it if it could make some improvements...oui?

[accelafine]

Just been catching up on some of my email notifications.

No, I never stated BigMike was AI, as others may have, I merely suggested he is using AI to assist in his grammar and structure of what he has to say - AND you know that. You know I made the point that as far as I was concerned he was a combination!!

Stop being dishonest in your dealings with me, I'd prefer to remain on side.

Explain how he does it then. Even I get occasional typos, but I haven't seen a single one in his comments. Not that I need AI. I can think for myself. I'm just interested to know how he does it.

Well then, the obvious way to test that is write a prompt to ChatGPT stating what points you are attempting to make to a PHILOSOPHY forum, paste what you have currently written and ask it if it could make some improvements...oui?

But can 'ChatGPT' really match a human with an exquisite grasp of the English language? If that were the case then why doesn't BM use English instead of 'American English'? I'm sure 'Chat' would be able to accommodate.
Besides, according to you the points have to be made by the human before 'Chat' can make the improvements.

[attofishpi]

Explain how he does it then. Even I get occasional typos, but I haven't seen a single one in his comments. Not that I need AI. I can think for myself. I'm just interested to know how he does it.

Well then, the obvious way to test that is write a prompt to ChatGPT stating what points you are attempting to make to a PHILOSOPHY forum, paste what you have currently written and ask it if it could make some improvements...oui?

But can 'ChatGPT' really match a human with an exquisite grasp of the English language? If that were the case then why doesn't BM use English instead of 'American English'? I'm sure 'Chat' would be able to accommodate.

Yes, ChatGPT as a LARGE language model can match pretty much any grasp of the English language. If you want to write something in olde English as I did to Belinda a while ago - easy peasy, just tell it what style you want. If you state you are debating on a philosophy forum about subject X, then it will tailor to that style and linguistics required. Chat will use spell format as requested. Personally, I always thought until your recent chats with him re Mexico immigrants, that he was in England.

[accelafine]

Well then, the obvious way to test that is write a prompt to ChatGPT stating what points you are attempting to make to a PHILOSOPHY forum, paste what you have currently written and ask it if it could make some improvements...oui?

But can 'ChatGPT' really match a human with an exquisite grasp of the English language? If that were the case then why doesn't BM use English instead of 'American English'? I'm sure 'Chat' would be able to accommodate.

Yes, ChatGPT as a LARGE language model can match pretty much any grasp of the English language. If you want to write something in olde English as I did to Belinda a while ago - easy peasy, just tell it what style you want. If you state you are debating on a philosophy forum about subject X, then it will tailor to that style and linguistics required. Chat will use spell format as requested. Personally, I always thought until your recent chats with him re Mexico immigrants, that he was in England.

Another know-it-all male GPT doesn't have a personality or a sense of humour.

[attofishpi]

Another know-it-all male GPT doesn't have a personality or a sense of humour.

It's not because I am male you sexist idiot - anyone that understands the technology be them male or female will tell you what I am stating. LLM is unlikely to come up with an original (decent) joke. Yes, it has no personality.

Just because I am conversing with you, should not mean you jump to any conclusion that "I know it all" - that's your misandry allowing your brain to partake in irrational "think" talk.

Under_stand wot I am stating before you spout your big keyboard off at me

[accelafine]

Another know-it-all male GPT doesn't have a personality or a sense of humour.

It's not because I am male you sexist idiot - anyone that understands the technology be them male or female will tell you what I am stating. LLM is unlikely to come up with an original (decent) joke. Yes, it has no personality.

Just because I am conversing with you, should not mean you jump to any conclusion that "I know it all" - that's your misandry allowing your brain to partake in irrational "think" talk.

Under_stand wot I am stating before you spout your big keyboard off at me

So you agree with me then. Ok.

[attofishpi]

Another know-it-all male GPT doesn't have a personality or a sense of humour.

It's not because I am male you sexist idiot - anyone that understands the technology be them male or female will tell you what I am stating. LLM is unlikely to come up with an original (decent) joke. Yes, it has no personality.

Just because I am conversing with you, should not mean you jump to any conclusion that "I know it all" - that's your misandry allowing your brain to partake in irrational "think" talk.

Under_stand wot I am stating before you spout your big keyboard off at me

So you agree with me then. Ok.

Pretty much I agree. But the point I am making is, that if you prompt the GPT prior to anything humorous u intend to write and put things into a perspective it can "understand" then it's pretty good.

It took me a while seaching for this one I did in relation to Age (within Christianity thread)

I had already written some of it, but explained the type of character (Age) I was dealing with and asked GPT not to use any punctuation..I was quite impressed with what it came up with:---

Result:-

The fact that you think anyone pays any attention ever to any of the copious amounts of irrational waffle that you continually waste on fossil fuel for the electricity that would be better spent on providing lighting within a pub toilet cubicle where anything on average that anyone in said cubicle could read of the graffiti upon the cubicle door would be profoundly more coherent and intellectually nourishing than these torrents of unfiltered drivel you insist on subjecting this forum to with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept....is beyond me.

[accelafine]

It's not because I am male you sexist idiot - anyone that understands the technology be them male or female will tell you what I am stating. LLM is unlikely to come up with an original (decent) joke. Yes, it has no personality.

Just because I am conversing with you, should not mean you jump to any conclusion that "I know it all" - that's your misandry allowing your brain to partake in irrational "think" talk.

Under_stand wot I am stating before you spout your big keyboard off at me

So you agree with me then. Ok.

Pretty much I agree. But the point I am making is, that if you prompt the GPT prior to anything humorous u intend to write and put things into a perspective it can "understand" then it's pretty good.

It took me a while seaching for this one I did in relation to Age (within Christianity thread)

I had already written some of it, but explained the type of character (Age) I was dealing with and asked GPT not to use any punctuation..I was quite impressed with what it came up with:---

Result:-

The fact that you think anyone pays any attention ever to any of the copious amounts of irrational waffle that you continually waste on fossil fuel for the electricity that would be better spent on providing lighting within a pub toilet cubicle where anything on average that anyone in said cubicle could read of the graffiti upon the cubicle door would be profoundly more coherent and intellectually nourishing than these torrents of unfiltered drivel you insist on subjecting this forum to with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept....is beyond me.

Interesting but it still comes across as convincing as AI 'Art'. i.e. not human. You can sense human presence.

[attofishpi]

So you agree with me then. Ok.

Pretty much I agree. But the point I am making is, that if you prompt the GPT prior to anything humorous u intend to write and put things into a perspective it can "understand" then it's pretty good.

It took me a while seaching for this one I did in relation to Age (within Christianity thread)

I had already written some of it, but explained the type of character (Age) I was dealing with and asked GPT not to use any punctuation..I was quite impressed with what it came up with:---

Result:-

The fact that you think anyone pays any attention ever to any of the copious amounts of irrational waffle that you continually waste on fossil fuel for the electricity that would be better spent on providing lighting within a pub toilet cubicle where anything on average that anyone in said cubicle could read of the graffiti upon the cubicle door would be profoundly more coherent and intellectually nourishing than these torrents of unfiltered drivel you insist on subjecting this forum to with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept....is beyond me.

Interesting but it still comes across as convincing as AI 'Art'. i.e. not human. You can sense human presence.

This is the bit that I was impressed with, not part of my prompt, nor example, but clearly the LLM had come across similar affairs on the internet with the likes of Age before..that last line I had not part in:

..with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept

[accelafine]

Pretty much I agree. But the point I am making is, that if you prompt the GPT prior to anything humorous u intend to write and put things into a perspective it can "understand" then it's pretty good.

It took me a while seaching for this one I did in relation to Age (within Christianity thread)

I had already written some of it, but explained the type of character (Age) I was dealing with and asked GPT not to use any punctuation..I was quite impressed with what it came up with:---

Result:-

The fact that you think anyone pays any attention ever to any of the copious amounts of irrational waffle that you continually waste on fossil fuel for the electricity that would be better spent on providing lighting within a pub toilet cubicle where anything on average that anyone in said cubicle could read of the graffiti upon the cubicle door would be profoundly more coherent and intellectually nourishing than these torrents of unfiltered drivel you insist on subjecting this forum to with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept....is beyond me.

Interesting but it still comes across as convincing as AI 'Art'. i.e. not human. You can sense human presence.

This is the bit that I was impressed with, not part of my prompt, nor example, but clearly the LLM had come across similar affairs on the internet with the likes of Age before..that last line I had not part in:

..with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept

It's pretty clumsy, almost as if it's harvesting online human comments...duh!...

[attofishpi]

Interesting but it still comes across as convincing as AI 'Art'. i.e. not human. You can sense human presence.

This is the bit that I was impressed with, not part of my prompt, nor example, but clearly the LLM had come across similar affairs on the internet with the likes of Age before..that last line I had not part in:

..with the enthusiasm of a malfunctioning spam bot that has just achieved self-awareness and immediately decided to reject reason as a concept

It's pretty clumsy, almost as if it's harvesting online human comments...duh!...

FFS --- THAT is precisely what it is - - - - -

BTW: - isn't that also what humans do - imitate each other, especially those that one chooses to surround oneself by?