It is worthwhile to think about. I.e. how some political systems started badly and for that reason became the tree bearing evil fruit. Things get so unworkable that finally revolution is needed, judicial reform, social reform, rewriting of the laws.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:35 am Once they have gotten so out of hand that you are willing to just scoop up and murder millions of people, again, without due process or legal protection, you have become the sort of country from which it is easy to see why so many refugees flee. The Christian thing for residents of other countries to do would be to welcome those refugees.
And though what I recommended was indulgence in punishment fantasy, the concept is in a strange sense sound: to begin to correct such corruption a whole percentage of the people who are corrupt must be eliminated. Then, such drastic punishments established that no one dares to break the law. Very Machiavellian but very responsive to the facts of human nature.
Mario Vargas Llosa, a great Peruvian writer and an excellent novelist and essayist recently died. Look up some of his ideas about Latin American politics. Again, it is the stuff of magical realism. So unbelievably weird that Europeans cannot at all understand it.
Beyond any doubt many millions of Colombians would migrate to a country of laws and law and order. Toot sweet. Recently many did. And most are still there (and will not be deported). I have talked to many of them, both there and here. Many — most — are hardworking and decent. What makes the migration option difficult is the lack of community, family, and cultural links for those abandoning Colombia. But there are town (in NJ for example) that Colombians migrate to because there are thousands of their fellows already there. They recreate the culture they came from which is only natural.
Long ago certain figures in California pointed out that excessive Mesoamerican immigration would change the nature of the people of California and that the result would not turn out to be good. “Demographics is destiny,” some say.
The “problem” of excessive immigration (into any country) is quite real if it can be considered rationally. My own view? All immigration should be halted for at least 10 years, maybe 20, until those foreigners now here are integrated fully.
It is quite impossible to round up even a fraction of the (6-20?) millions who entered illegally over the last 5 years. It would be a feat to deport even 100,000. So there is nothing to be done (and nothing will be done).
However, the recent publicity and the fear of the possibility of being captured and sent to prison in El Salvador has a “positive function” in curtailing illegal immigrants from even trying to enter. Also quite Machiavellian.
This is a false concept. And since you have zero concept of Christian social policies (more properly Catholic social doctrines) you operate with a very mistaken idea.The Christian thing for residents of other countries to do would be to welcome those refugees.
It is a “sin” to allow excessive immigration for the harm it does to indigenous populations. It destroys labor value, disrupts communities, etc. A whole range of things.
The best program for poor and abused people in Latin America is to force them not to emigrate and to encourage them to reform their own nations and their own cultural defects. It is to close off the “escape valve” (emigration) that corrupt elites in Latin America rely on so they can maintain their corrupt empires.
And that’s where the helicopters come in as I am sure you understand now …
