Hadiths are not Valid for Islam-proper [re 4:59]

[Veritas Aequitas]

That’s a compelling breakdown of Quran 4:59, and I’ve come across similar interpretations from those who advocate for Quran-centric Islam. The idea that the Messenger’s role was strictly to deliver and implement the Quran—rather than to establish an independent source of law through hadith—is consistent with verses like 6:114 and 5:99, which emphasize the Quran’s completeness and the Prophet’s duty as a conveyor, not a legislator.

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[godelian]

[The idea that the Messenger’s role was strictly to deliver and implement the Quran—rather than to establish an independent source of law through hadith

Every logical consequence of the Quran has exactly the same status as the Quran itself. This principle of deductive closure is true for every theory in logic, and not just for the Islamic axiomatization.

This principle is very difficult to understand for Christians because Christianity is absolutely not a theory in logic.

Christianity is a haphazard accumulation of inconsistencies and contradictions to which only the Church is allowed to add new unrelated nonsense and other bullshit.

When Christians want to work in the context of a logically sound body of knowledge, Christians must first become atheist and renounce the very principle of illogical concoction.

Mathematics does not work like that. Science does not work like that. Non-contradiction does not work like that. Islam obviously also does not work like that. You cannot learn anything of objective value if you keep believing in the fake divinity of a man and his single mother.

Concerning Islam, all logical consequences of the Quran have the same status as the Quran itself:

ChatGPT: What is a theory in logic?

In logic, a theory is a set of statements (called sentences or propositions) expressed in a formal language that is closed under logical consequence.

More precisely:

A theory is a set of formulas such that if a formula is logically implied by (i.e., ), then is also in . This means the theory includes all the statements that can be logically derived from its axioms.

Theories can be:

Axiomatic: explicitly defined by a set of axioms (e.g., Peano Arithmetic or Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory).

Complete: if for every statement in the language, either or is in the theory.

Consistent: if no contradiction can be derived from it (i.e., it doesn’t prove both a statement and its negation).

In short, a theory in logic is a structured set of assumptions and all their logical consequences.

[Veritas Aequitas]

[The idea that the Messenger’s role was strictly to deliver and implement the Quran—rather than to establish an independent source of law through hadith

Every logical consequence of the Quran has exactly the same status as the Quran itself. This principle of deductive closure is true for every theory in logic, and not just for the Islamic axiomatization.

This principle is very difficult to understand for Christians because Christianity is absolutely not a theory in logic.

Christianity is a haphazard accumulation of inconsistencies and contradictions to which only the Church is allowed to add new unrelated nonsense and other bullshit.

When Christians want to work in the context of a logically sound body of knowledge, Christians must first become atheist and renounce the very principle of illogical concoction.

Mathematics does not work like that. Science does not work like that. Non-contradiction does not work like that. Islam obviously also does not work like that. You cannot learn anything of objective value if you keep believing in the fake divinity of a man and his single mother.

Concerning Islam, all logical consequences of the Quran have the same status as the Quran itself:

ChatGPT: What is a theory in logic?

In logic, a theory is a set of statements (called sentences or propositions) expressed in a formal language that is closed under logical consequence.

More precisely:

A theory is a set of formulas such that if a formula is logically implied by (i.e., ), then is also in . This means the theory includes all the statements that can be logically derived from its axioms.

Theories can be:

Axiomatic: explicitly defined by a set of axioms (e.g., Peano Arithmetic or Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory).

Complete: if for every statement in the language, either or is in the theory.

Consistent: if no contradiction can be derived from it (i.e., it doesn’t prove both a statement and its negation).

In short, a theory in logic is a structured set of assumptions and all their logical consequences.

You are wasting time on the above.

Suggest you ask ChatGpt in relation to the Quran and Islam, not just "What is a theory in logic?"

[godelian]

Suggest you ask ChatGpt in relation to the Quran and Islam, not just "What is a theory in logic?"

That is indeed what every Christian would say about logic, which every Christian considers to be an arsenal of deceptive arguments.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Suggest you ask ChatGpt in relation to the Quran and Islam, not just "What is a theory in logic?"

That is indeed what every Christian would say about logic, which every Christian considers to be an arsenal of deceptive arguments.

You are running away?
For intellectual integrity and honesty sake, ask YOUR-ChatGpt that 'what is logic' in relation to Islam.

[godelian]

Suggest you ask ChatGpt in relation to the Quran and Islam, not just "What is a theory in logic?"

That is indeed what every Christian would say about logic, which every Christian considers to be an arsenal of deceptive arguments.

You are running away?
For intellectual integrity and honesty sake, ask YOUR-ChatGpt that 'what is logic' in relation to Islam.

My view is that Islamic doctrine is a theory in logic. I don't care what anyone else believes on this matter. If you axiomatize a view, then it is unchangeable. I will never change my view. Ever. That is why it does not matter what ChatGPT says about this. I will not accept his answer, unless it exactly the axiom that I have adopted.