Corporation Socialism

[Alexis Jacobi]

Pistolero: You are a Jew, and you don't know it.

IC: I'm flattered. Unfortunately, it's not true. I'm as Gentile as you.

This is an observation and assessment that I made about you, IC, and you said that you took it as a compliment.

If it is “unfortunate” that you are not a Jew (and I assume that in your case you lament that you were not born in an Orthodox Torah-focused community).

Pistolero is making a much larger critical observation.

For you “to be a Jew” is essentially your prime motive. But since that is unattainable (conversion would be a bizarre option) you imitate it through Protestant fundamentalism.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Have you followed his recent trail of self-embarassments and reconsidering? It's quite telling, really.

I don’t think I have. Can you explain or put up a link?

[Belinda]

In your good versus evil world, the only options are Christian ethics or Barbarism.
In your mind morality was invented by the Jews, and men had no decency before their Noahide laws.

But, even beasts have compassion and can exhibit love and sympathy and altruism....
But you want herd psychology....all-inclusivity. Universal love...slave ethics.

Not quite. The Jews were not the only ones to codify morality . There were also the Persians, the Chinese, and the Indians. This multinational great leap forward occurred around 500BC give or take 200 years each side.

[Pistolero]

In your good versus evil world, the only options are Christian ethics or Barbarism.
In your mind morality was invented by the Jews, and men had no decency before their Noahide laws.

But, even beasts have compassion and can exhibit love and sympathy and altruism....
But you want herd psychology....all-inclusivity. Universal love...slave ethics.

Not quite. The Jews were not the only ones to codify morality . There were also the Persians, the Chinese, and the Indians. This multinational great leap forward occurred around 500BC give or take 200 years each side.

I know dear...but they've convinced gullible Americanized morons, that they invented morality....with their Mosaic laws, and that before them men had no morals.
That they are the "light upon the world" bullshyte, western Americanized idiots constantly parrot.

What they did was they weaponized morality.
They converted it into a tool to subvert and manipulate.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I know dear...but they've convinced gullible Americanized morons, that they invented morality....with their Mosaic laws, and that before them men had no morals.

That they are the "light upon the world" bullshyte, western Americanized idiots constantly parrot.

What they did was they weaponized morality.
They converted it into a tool to subvert and manipulate.

There are currents here that have to be separated.

One is “Americanism” and American Puritan worldview: a forward-thrusting semi-absolutist, domineering American ideology that, more often than not, is not consciously understood as operating.

The issue of the Hebraic influence within the cultural and ideational context of the first century, when Judaism jumped the fence so to speak, and ideational systems (like Platonism and Hebraicism for example) began to meld together in early Christianity — this is a very different and a very involved topic.

Now, Americans, Americanism and the influence of Judaism (Jewish exceptionalism and the general Jewish belief that Jews must guide civilization (to put it in very glossary terms) and especially today the huge problem of Israel’s influence over American policy …

… with that a can of worms is opened that involves conversation that is extremely fraught, difficult and intensely contentious.

If I had to say something about that 1st century, I would say that it really was a blending-process. Also a construction-process.

Corporate socialism, oddly enough, is also an amalgamation of a whole set of trends within an ideological structure that is presented quasi-religiously.

I have no idea how conversation on these topics won’t crack up on the racks & reefs of the confused ideological positions of most posters here.

[Immanuel Can]

Have you followed his recent trail of self-embarassments and reconsidering? It's quite telling, really.

I don’t think I have. Can you explain or put up a link?

I already put up one, which speaks about his recent re-appreciation of Christianity, which kind of wrecks his "God Delusion" dogmatism, to say the least. But there are a bunch. In terms of his oppositions, the guy has had quite a checkered career. Here's a fun one for the Feminists who like Dawkins: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-bad-name. And a more recent one, for people who imagine that secular scientists are on board with him: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 89396.html.

[Immanuel Can]

Pistolero: You are a Jew, and you don't know it.

IC: I'm flattered. Unfortunately, it's not true. I'm as Gentile as you.

This is an observation and assessment that I made about you, IC, and you said that you took it as a compliment.

It is. And if you had read Romans 2, you'd know exactly why it is.

If it is “unfortunate” that you are not a Jew (and I assume that in your case you lament that you were not born in an Orthodox Torah-focused community).

Quite the contrary: no matter what ethnicity I might have, it would be Messianic.

For you “to be a Jew” is essentially your prime motive.

That's very funny. My prime motive is to be other than what God has made me? Not a bit. He's made me what, where and when He wishes me to be. But I do not dishonour my Jewish brothers by indulging in antisemitism, as some here do.

[Pistolero]

There are currents here that have to be separated.

Distinguished, separated, as we separate species from subspecies.

One is “Americanism” and American Puritan worldview: a forward-thrusting semi-absolutist, domineering American ideology that, more often than not, is not consciously understood as operating.

Puritanism is an evolution of Christianity, and Christianity is an evolution of Judaism, and Judaism is an amalgamation of all the hosts it came in contact with and was expelled from.
Kabbalsim is a corruption of Orphic Mysticism.
They mixed it all up and declared it their own invention.

When Judaism came in contact with Hellenism, Christianity was born.....giving birth to Gnosticism, then Marxism, postmodernism.
To the east it gave birth to Kabbalism and Zionism.

The issue of the Hebraic influence within the cultural and ideational context of the first century, when Judaism jumped the fence so to speak, and ideational systems (like Platonism and Hebraicism for example) began to meld together in early Christianity — this is a very different and a very involved topic.

Yes it is. Controversial and currently criminalized in many places, under the American dominion.

Now, Americans, Americanism and the influence of Judaism (Jewish exceptionalism and the general Jewish belief that Jews must guide civilization (to put it in very glossary terms) and especially today the huge problem of Israel’s influence over American policy …

… with that a can of worms is opened that involves conversation that is extremely fraught, difficult and intensely contentious.

Best they remain vague.

If I had to say something about that 1st century, I would say that it really was a blending-process. Also a construction-process.

I use the gene/meme analogy.
As with genes, so with memes, i.e., dogmas, ideologies, worldviews.
Selfish genes; selfish memes, requiring no awareness on the carrier's part.

Just as there are parasites, viruses, herbivores, carnivores, scavengers, in nature, there are memetic equivalents.

Corporate socialism, oddly enough, is also an amalgamation of a whole set of trends within an ideological structure that is presented quasi-religiously.

Mutation and synthesis is part of natural selection.
Ideologies adapt and evolve, over time.
Physical intercourse becomes mental intercourse - dialogue.

have no idea how conversation on these topics won’t crack up on the racks & reefs of the confused ideological positions of most posters here.

Dangerous when surrounded by infected fanatics that will be triggered by certain words.
Now you know why I exclude the likes of Mary, and her ilk, from my forum.
nothing constructive can be attempted when fanatics rally and swarm a topic, at the mere mention of certain words....like zombies.
individuated herd instincts triggers by sound, or a smell....in this case an idea.
Surviving he Zombie Apocalypse requires creative methods of evading their fangs.

[Belinda]

In your good versus evil world, the only options are Christian ethics or Barbarism.
In your mind morality was invented by the Jews, and men had no decency before their Noahide laws.

But, even beasts have compassion and can exhibit love and sympathy and altruism....
But you want herd psychology....all-inclusivity. Universal love...slave ethics.

Not quite. The Jews were not the only ones to codify morality . There were also the Persians, the Chinese, and the Indians. This multinational great leap forward occurred around 500BC give or take 200 years each side.

I know dear...but they've convinced gullible Americanized morons, that they invented morality....with their Mosaic laws, and that before them men had no morals.
That they are the "light upon the world" bullshyte, western Americanized idiots constantly parrot.

What they did was they weaponized morality.
They converted it into a tool to subvert and manipulate.

Nonsense!

The advent of codified morality around 500BC was a necessary progression due to changes in land use at that time.
"Gullible American morons" are not the fault of Abrahamic religions but are the fault of social class systems that ensured lower classes were not well educated.

[Alexis Jacobi]

That's very funny. My prime motive is to be other than what God has made me? Not a bit. He's made me what, where and when He wishes me to be. But I do not dishonour my Jewish brothers by indulging in antisemitism, as some here do.

Understanding your prime motive is not likely your own chosen focus. Yet it becomes the focus of those who encounter you.

As you well know I have a complex relationship with Judaism, and thus with Christianity, and it became important for me to understand both antisemitism and (a genuine or valid) opposition to Judaic (or Hebraic) absolutism. But I am neither anti-Semitic nor anti-Christian.

Yet it is a task to define what I am “in pro” of. It is a real challenge.

It is not — in any sense! — an easy conversation to have and the issues at play are not simple and, as I say, are fraught.

[Pistolero]

You are describing why amendments had to be made to moral rules, to enable complex systems to arise.

morality is an encoding of behaviors we find in many species.
Tolerance, altruism, compassion, cooperation, love....
Not exclusive to one species, dear.
The only thing our species did was to convert actions to symbols...and then add further rules that contradicted human nature.
We called this 'cultivation.'
A form of husbandry.

Man tames other species and he begins with himself.
Natural selection becomes social selection, or social engineering - eugenics.

[Alexis Jacobi]

When Judaism came in contact with Hellenism, Christianity was born.....giving birth to Gnosticism, then Marxism, postmodernism.

To the east it gave birth to Kabbalism and Zionism.

I regard this statement, as I have been known to express in various contexts, as partially true, or having true elements, but because incomplete, a form of reductionism.

I think all of this requires a careful and thorough analysis and a fuller explanation. A reductionism is “actionable”, that is true indeed, but (in my view) can result in unwholesome outcomes.

[Belinda]

You are describing why amendments had to be made to moral rules, to enable complex systems to arise.

morality is an encoding of behaviors we find in many species.
Tolerance, altruism, compassion, cooperation, love....
Not exclusive to one species, dear.
The only thing our species did was to convert actions to symbols...and then add further rules that contradicted human nature.
We called this 'cultivation.'
A form of husbandry.

Man tames other species and he begins with himself.
Natural selection becomes social selection, or social engineering - eugenics.

The Axial Age of around 500 BC was no "amendment". The Axial Age was a radical shift in moral focus from the collective to the individual : from actions, to actions plus intentions .

[Pistolero]

A simple mind complicates, to pretend it is complex; a complex mind simplifies, to make itself comprehensible to the simple.

As in genetic synthesis, there are complexities that emerge during fertilization and gestation.
Why are paternal twins not exactly the same?
How do mutations arise?

As with genealogy so too for memeology.
Ideas are to the mind what sperm are to the body.
Another reduction.

How does the 4-code system of propagation (DNA) become the two-code system of human binary codes of intercourse?
A reduction that increases effectiveness. Efficiency multiplies the probabiltiy of effectiveness.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Dangerous when surrounded by infected fanatics that will be triggered by certain words.

Now you know why I exclude the likes of Mary, and her ilk, from my forum.

Nothing constructive can be attempted when fanatics rally and swarm a topic, at the mere mention of certain words....like zombies.
individuated herd instincts triggers by sound, or a smell....in this case an idea.

Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse requires creative methods of evading their fangs.

I can relate to the idea of “avoiding infection”.

Mind-viruses, psychic overheating, religious zealotry, over-the-top emotional obsessions …

I don’t know who Mary is …