Your favourite authors, and why?

[Maia]

And has that history done much in the way of teaching you that all information processing is binary and produces exactly four specific systems of grammar all humans should be able to use to make judgments?

As I said, it is intimated in the Bible, and in Plato, etc., have you studied what it means that we are first born through a physical matrix, but must become born again through an intelligible matrix?

Do you know that life is both perceptible and intelligible?

No, it hasn't.

I don't regard the Bible as any more authoritative than any other ancient religious text, as a collection of stories and myths. Personally, I find the Greek ones to be much more varied and interesting, and, indeed, life affirming.

With regard to Plato, the only dialogues I know reasonably well are Timaeus and Critias, and that's because of Atlantis, although Timaeus has a load of weird metaphysical stuff in it too. We did the Republic in philosophy at school, though hardly in any depth, as they had to cram in a load of other stuff too, such as Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Descartes, Malebranche, Hume, all, I'm sure, in the most superficial way imaginable.

And yes, I do indeed know that life is both perceptible and intelligible.

[Phil8659]

And has that history done much in the way of teaching you that all information processing is binary and produces exactly four specific systems of grammar all humans should be able to use to make judgments?

As I said, it is intimated in the Bible, and in Plato, etc., have you studied what it means that we are first born through a physical matrix, but must become born again through an intelligible matrix?

Do you know that life is both perceptible and intelligible?

No, it hasn't.

I don't regard the Bible as any more authoritative than any other ancient religious text, as a collection of stories and myths. Personally, I find the Greek ones to be much more varied and interesting, and, indeed, life affirming.

With regard to Plato, the only dialogues I know reasonably well are Timaeus and Critias, and that's because of Atlantis, although Timaeus has a load of weird metaphysical stuff in it too. We did the Republic in philosophy at school, though hardly in any depth, as they had to cram in a load of other stuff too, such as Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Descartes, Malebranche, Hume, all, I'm sure, in the most superficial way imaginable.

And yes, I do indeed know that life is both perceptible and intelligible.

A long time ago, I was led to the Bible. I started to read it, then tossed it at the wall as being rubbish. Then, before it hit the floor, I realized that it was using grammar in a way quite different than I had ever seen before.

Now, In my work, I show you how and why the Book was written by doing what is said would be done one day,

In the beginning of the book, you are actually given three stories of creation, One looks very good, one looks very bad, and the third is neither.

They all say the same thing.

In the back of the book, is a puzzle, what is the name of the beast. I show you step by step, by what is given in the text, what it means.

To regulate behavior so as to turn the past into a future and to bring that future to pass

You believe you can read. Yet you cannot demonstrate any comprehension of metaphor, that grammar by which all judgments are made.

Now, my work is available to all, free. So if you want to see how to resolve the mystery of the Bible, a use of metaphor well beyond mankind at this time, you can simply download it and walk it through step by step.
You,, like all mankind, do not know that you are illiterate.

[Maia]

And has that history done much in the way of teaching you that all information processing is binary and produces exactly four specific systems of grammar all humans should be able to use to make judgments?

As I said, it is intimated in the Bible, and in Plato, etc., have you studied what it means that we are first born through a physical matrix, but must become born again through an intelligible matrix?

Do you know that life is both perceptible and intelligible?

No, it hasn't.

I don't regard the Bible as any more authoritative than any other ancient religious text, as a collection of stories and myths. Personally, I find the Greek ones to be much more varied and interesting, and, indeed, life affirming.

With regard to Plato, the only dialogues I know reasonably well are Timaeus and Critias, and that's because of Atlantis, although Timaeus has a load of weird metaphysical stuff in it too. We did the Republic in philosophy at school, though hardly in any depth, as they had to cram in a load of other stuff too, such as Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Descartes, Malebranche, Hume, all, I'm sure, in the most superficial way imaginable.

And yes, I do indeed know that life is both perceptible and intelligible.

A long time ago, I was led to the Bible. I started to read it, then tossed it at the wall as being rubbish. Then, before it hit the floor, I realized that it was using grammar in a way quite different than I had ever seen before.

Now, In my work, I show you how and why the Book was written by doing what is said would be done one day,

In the beginning of the book, you are actually given three stories of creation, One looks very good, one looks very bad, and the third is neither.

They all say the same thing.

In the back of the book, is a puzzle, what is the name of the beast. I show you step by step, by what is given in the text, what it means.

To regulate behavior so as to turn the past into a future and to bring that future to pass

You believe you can read. Yet you cannot demonstrate any comprehension of metaphor, that grammar by which all judgments are made.

Now, my work is available to all, free. So if you want to see how to resolve the mystery of the Bible, a use of metaphor well beyond mankind at this time, you can simply download it and walk it through step by step.
You,, like all mankind, do not know that you are illiterate.

You could find similar contradictions and puzzles in any ancient text, I'm sure. As for the name of the beast, it's Nero. That's what the gematria spells out, and this has been known since ancient times.

Just a word of advice, though. When trying to convert people, it's probably best not to insult them.

[Phil8659]

As also I demonstrate in my work in grammar, Plato stated what his style and purpose was. One of the works you mention was not written by Plato.

If you want the dialogs in some semblance of order, I did post that even in audiobook form for those who do not have time to sit and read
https://archive.org/details/formal-gram ... c-by-plato

The dialogs are lesson material to exercise your mind and learn to reason.

[Phil8659]

No, it hasn't.

I don't regard the Bible as any more authoritative than any other ancient religious text, as a collection of stories and myths. Personally, I find the Greek ones to be much more varied and interesting, and, indeed, life affirming.

With regard to Plato, the only dialogues I know reasonably well are Timaeus and Critias, and that's because of Atlantis, although Timaeus has a load of weird metaphysical stuff in it too. We did the Republic in philosophy at school, though hardly in any depth, as they had to cram in a load of other stuff too, such as Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Descartes, Malebranche, Hume, all, I'm sure, in the most superficial way imaginable.

And yes, I do indeed know that life is both perceptible and intelligible.

A long time ago, I was led to the Bible. I started to read it, then tossed it at the wall as being rubbish. Then, before it hit the floor, I realized that it was using grammar in a way quite different than I had ever seen before.

Now, In my work, I show you how and why the Book was written by doing what is said would be done one day,

In the beginning of the book, you are actually given three stories of creation, One looks very good, one looks very bad, and the third is neither.

They all say the same thing.

In the back of the book, is a puzzle, what is the name of the beast. I show you step by step, by what is given in the text, what it means.

To regulate behavior so as to turn the past into a future and to bring that future to pass

You believe you can read. Yet you cannot demonstrate any comprehension of metaphor, that grammar by which all judgments are made.

Now, my work is available to all, free. So if you want to see how to resolve the mystery of the Bible, a use of metaphor well beyond mankind at this time, you can simply download it and walk it through step by step.
You,, like all mankind, do not know that you are illiterate.

You could find similar contradictions and puzzles in any ancient text, I'm sure. As for the name of the beast, it's Nero. That's what the gematria spells out, and this has been known since ancient times.

Just a word of advice, though. When trying to convert people, it's probably best not to insult them.

So, once more, It is not your own behavior which is an insult to yourself and others, it is simply repeating what you actually do that is an insult.

What personally pleases you. How quickly you forget what you agreed to.

So, thank you once again, for making me responsible for how you respond to words.

[accelafine]

I can't believe I got a ticking off for calling phil a moron AFTER her called me an arsehole. Insulting other posters for no apparent reason seems to all he does on here. I suspect he also likes to snitch...

[Maia]

I can't believe I got a ticking off for calling phil a moron AFTER her called me an arsehole. Insulting other posters for no apparent reason seems to all he does on here. I suspect he also likes to snitch...

It seems a bit counterproductive, for someone trying to push their own beliefs and theories like that. Oh well.

[Phil8659]

And has that history done much in the way of teaching you that all information processing is binary and produces exactly four specific systems of grammar all humans should be able to use to make judgments?

As I said, it is intimated in the Bible, and in Plato, etc., have you studied what it means that we are first born through a physical matrix, but must become born again through an intelligible matrix?

Do you know that life is both perceptible and intelligible?

With regard to Plato, the only dialogues I know reasonably well are Timaeus and Critias, and that's because of Atlantis, although Timaeus has a load of weird metaphysical stuff in it too.

In Plato's dialogs, he tells you what his style and purpose is, he was a grammar teacher, and he taught Dialectic. The two dialogs you mentioned, by Plato's stated style, are definitely not written by Plato. They are pure crap.

Of all his dialogs, there are about only four that are not related at all to what Plato was teaching, those two make up half of the fake dialogs

For one thing, Plato uses the idea of extreems when teaching about correlatives, The most beautiful, the Greatest this in that, etc. Take Alcibiades 1, the person who had the Greatest ambition. An he will tell you, that is how you work correlatives, from the extremes. Or Charmides, the most beautiful, in body, but in mind, the topic the Law of Identity. Plato never wrote a casual dialog and one that is pure bullshit like the two dialogs you mentioned. So, I take it to mean, you never actually read any of the Platonic dialogs.
All of his dialogs uses the greatest perceptible human, but the topic is a great principle of reasoning he is demonstrating. What makes them great, is that if you think about it, they are simple and basic.

So, for over a hundred years, they have been teaching how to graph a sentenced, Lines running wild doing their graphing, when Plato explained how to do it in Geometry 2400 years ago with the actual two parts of speech. Really? Unbelievable. How stupid can an educator get? Why ask, I already know.



When you actually comprehend his style, and notice that he always uses it, then you are faced with about four dialogs not produced by him, and you can actually put them in a reasonable order.
The only other order which Plato tells you are in a specific order, From Theaetetus, Statesman, Sophist, Euthypro, Apology, Crito, and Pheado. Seven, which spanned about the last month of Socrates life.

I put them in a sequence, I called Socrates in Chains and this is in a work I did Xenophon to Plato in the Nude, which is over 19,000 pages of translations of the dialogs by various authors, all of it reformatted for the machine reader I built to turn them into audiobooks. Plato actually suggested this reformatting in Theaetetus for ease of writing and reading the dialogs. That single pdf has over, as I said,19,000 pages.

And Plato tells you right in the dialogs, that Dialectic means the two parts of speech, it has nothing to do with theory. It all about the definition of a thing.

So, yea, I think it is fucking ridiculous, Plato having said that dialectic, the two parts of speech, noun and verb, explaining it demonstrating it, that all we got today is a bunch of illiterate fools saying, so and so's dialectic, as if so and so invented every thing. Unbelievable.

May as well say Jimbo' the Chimp's dialectic. 2400 years of people claiming to be Platonic scholars, and all they can do is think, as Aristotle noted, no better than a vegetable.

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[Maia]

A good book is one that connects with you on an emotional level, or, to put it another way, one that makes you cry by the time you've finished it. I've recently finished a novel called Bones to Ashes by Kathy Reichs, which, surprisingly, did exactly that. I say surprisingly because I've read a couple of hers before, and while they're perfectly good thrillers, they didn't connect with me in the same way. They're all actually pretty similar, even with similar titles, featuring a pathologist named Temperance Brennan who works for the Montreal Police, investigating dead bodies and solving crimes. This one was no different in that regard, even down to its rather formulaic approach, but where it differed is that it started with a long flashback to Temperance's childhood, where we're introduced to her best friend, at the time, a rather mysterious girl named Evangeline, who just turned up one day, and then, a few years later, disappeared completely, along with her sister and family. Temperance spends decades wondering what on earth happened to her, until some clues start appearing in unexpected places, and the novel tells the story of her quest to find out the truth. I won't give any more away than that, though, except to say that it's truly heart breaking.

Anyway, it's gone a bit quiet round here, hasn't it?

[Phil8659]

A good book is one that connects with you on an emotional level, or, to put it another way, one that makes you cry by the time you've finished it. I've recently finished a novel called Bones to Ashes by Kathy Reichs, which, surprisingly, did exactly that. I say surprisingly because I've read a couple of hers before, and while they're perfectly good thrillers, they didn't connect with me in the same way. They're all actually pretty similar, even with similar titles, featuring a pathologist named Temperance Brennan who works for the Montreal Police, investigating dead bodies and solving crimes. This one was no different in that regard, even down to its rather formulaic approach, but where it differed is that it started with a long flashback to Temperance's childhood, where we're introduced to her best friend, at the time, a rather mysterious girl named Evangeline, who just turned up one day, and then, a few years later, disappeared completely, along with her sister and family. Temperance spends decades wondering what on earth happened to her, until some clues start appearing in unexpected places, and the novel tells the story of her quest to find out the truth. I won't give any more away than that, though, except to say that it's truly heart breaking.

Anyway, it's gone a bit quiet round here, hasn't it?

A good book is one that teaches you how to be good. For example, Plato's Dialogs.

[Phil8659]

A good book is one that connects with you on an emotional level, or, to put it another way, one that makes you cry by the time you've finished it. I've recently finished a novel called Bones to Ashes by Kathy Reichs, which, surprisingly, did exactly that. I say surprisingly because I've read a couple of hers before, and while they're perfectly good thrillers, they didn't connect with me in the same way. They're all actually pretty similar, even with similar titles, featuring a pathologist named Temperance Brennan who works for the Montreal Police, investigating dead bodies and solving crimes. This one was no different in that regard, even down to its rather formulaic approach, but where it differed is that it started with a long flashback to Temperance's childhood, where we're introduced to her best friend, at the time, a rather mysterious girl named Evangeline, who just turned up one day, and then, a few years later, disappeared completely, along with her sister and family. Temperance spends decades wondering what on earth happened to her, until some clues start appearing in unexpected places, and the novel tells the story of her quest to find out the truth. I won't give any more away than that, though, except to say that it's truly heart breaking.

Anyway, it's gone a bit quiet round here, hasn't it?

A good book is one that teaches you how to be good. For example, Plato's Dialogs.
I have been building a Grammar Book, in the manner of today's technology. I.e. I am taking Windows 98SE, and making an interactive environment for learning our Grammar Matrix. It has Microsoft office XP, It has Mathcad 7, Sketchpad 4.07, Yamaha virtual synth. MidiPlayer 6, Adobe Acrobat Pro 6. Microsoft Plus. etc. on it now. I am converting pdf files to pdf 1.5 so that they can be read in that environment.
Oh, and the display driver is the latest, will fit todays monitors.
And since it cannot connect with the Network, It puts back the P in PC. It is one's alone space for study.
Both versions of Acrobat DC, I run one in windows 10 and one in 11, both crash trying a direct conversion of the pdf's, so I have to print them in postscript and have Acrobat Distiller remake them. Which means, all the book marks have to be rebuilt too.
There are several ways to have Adobe process to earlier version, I got lucky and found one that works good, so I did not have to loose the bookmarks.

[Maia]

I'm currently reading The Templar Secret by Scott Mariani. As the name suggests, it's about the Templars, and a secret that they guarded, and still guard, right up to the present day, as a secret society. All very Dan Brown, of course, and there's a whole sub-genre of novels just on this very subject. This particular one also combines it with a an SAS veteran as the lead, and is full of violent shoot outs and fights, quite a lot more than I was expecting. It's not too bad though, and well written. At the moment I'm right in the middle of a massive exposition dump that seems to be stretching out for a few chapters, giving clues about what the secret might be, that the Templars are keeping. Could it be the mummified head of John the Baptist? That has been hinted at a number of times, but it could be something else entirely, I suppose.

[RickLewis]

If you like books that have Templar secrets as part of the plot, have you read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco? A really surprising and enjoyable book. Eco packs in the puns and literary allusions, and the plot develops slowly and pleasantly, but towards the end the pace really picks up and it reads like a thriller.

[Maia]

If you like books that have Templar secrets as part of the plot, have you read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco? A really surprising and enjoyable book. Eco packs in the puns and literary allusions, and the plot develops slowly and pleasantly, but towards the end the pace really picks up and it reads like a thriller.

I haven't read it, but I've certainly heard of it, as a classic of the genre. I'll have to get round to it at some point.