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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 12:42 pm Come to think of it, most of the few sane people on this forum have been women.
Any suggestions to lead us back to sanity, superior one?

EDIT:
Nope. Some of us are insane and just plain 'ol fucked - in this wise person's estimate/

Can this 'sane' person's posts be considered derailment yet?
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Only children deserve love.
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We're all children of the cosmos.
But I'm more mature than you, ner ner.

(and we're all worthy of love)
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Who ordained that? Children can't survive without it. That's a fact, not airy fairy, new-age bs.
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In an unjust world,
one's worth may not be respected.
One can survive injustice,
but as you say,
young children need love to survive.

I declared we are worthy,
upon evaluating our worth,
based on that which I value -

I value existence and that which it is comprised of... i.e. all y'all.
Ben JS - 'positive affirmations' wrote: you are loved
the world is brighter with you
you are worthy
you are part of the cosmos
you are valid
your home is wide and has many forms
you belong
there is so much about you to appreciate
you're a magnificent being
your family is of magnificent beings
you are enough
your heart can heal, nurture and create beauty
you are a blessing
loving beings wish your happiness & best life
your wellbeing is just
you're a vessel for the cosmos' self appreciation
there is always more you can become,
& anything you become is but your fuller self
being you is never a waste
the universe is mirrored within you
the limits of your being are unknown
you may surpass your every expectation
believing in yourself is wise compassion
you can love, and be loved
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I suppose in a thread about accepting all,
I can't really claim derailment.
Simply having a discussion has it's worth,
and aligned with the principles of the topic.

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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 12:42 pm Come to think of it, most of the few sane people on this forum have been women. What is it about 'philosophy' that attracts the insane?
Perhaps philosophy bucks the trend and the self-labeled sane are merely deluded interlopers. Ancient knowledge links lunacy to the lunar cycle, which has periods called phases. Insanity, or the milder condition of lunacy, is known to also emerge in cycles, and lunacy is the reason Kotex dispensers can now be found in Men’s Restrooms, a formerly private space where men felt as safe from gossipy women :D, as women used to feel safe from sexual predators invading their spaces. :cry:
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Physicist Federico Faggin talks about what we refer to as 'love' as being the fundamental force of the universe-- something he came to believe after having a profound spiritual experience. He's not alone in this. People who have used psychedelics often say the same or similar things. Many relgions are based on this concept. Christians refer to it as 'God'. Humans must have been having these kind of experience for as long as there have been humans.
Banning and demonising psychedelics was probably one of the worst and most self-destructive things that humans have ever done to themselves-- an American initiative (of course). Happy, 'loving' humans aren't inclined to want to slaughter other humans in wars.
There are much longer videos that go into more depth but here's a snippet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0coJEacv_Q
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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:13 amI assume they are all men?
Perhaps these may resonate:

Audition (The Fools Who Dream) - Emma Stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_YMm9C6tw
Audition (lyrics) wrote:
My aunt used to live in Paris
I remember,
she used to come home and tell us these stories about being abroad
And I remember she told us that she
jumped into the river once, barefoot

She smiled

Leapt, without looking
And tumbled into the Seine
The water was freezing
She spent a month sneezing
But said she would do it again

Here's to the ones who dream
Foolish as they may seem
Here's to the hearts that ache
Here's to the mess we make

She captured a feeling
Sky with no ceiling
The sunset inside a frame

She lived in her liquor
And died with a flicker
I'll always remember the flame

Here's to the ones who dream
Foolish as they may seem
Here's to the hearts that ache
Here's to the mess we make

She told me
"A bit of madness is key
To give us new colors to see
Who knows where it will lead us?
And that's why they need us"

So bring on the rebels
The ripples from pebbles
The painters, and poets, and plays

And here's to the fools who dream
Crazy as they may seem
Here's to the hearts that break
Here's to the mess we make

I trace it all back to then
Her, and the snow, and the Seine
Smiling through it
She said she'd do it again
--
'Caged Bird' by Maya Angelou wrote:
A free bird leaps
on the back of the wind
and floats downstream
till the current ends
and dips his wing
in the orange sun rays
and dares to claim the sky.

But a bird that stalks
down his narrow cage
can seldom see through
his bars of rage
his wings are clipped and
his feet are tied
so he opens his throat to sing.

The caged bird sings
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged bird
sings of freedom.

The free bird thinks of another breeze
and the trade winds soft through the sighing trees
and the fat worms waiting on a dawn bright lawn
and he names the sky his own.

But a caged bird stands on the grave of dreams
his shadow shouts on a nightmare scream
his wings are clipped and his feet are tied
so he opens his throat to sing.

The caged bird sings
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged bird
sings of freedom.
--

'81 - Joanna Newsom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nz0t7K1prY
'81 (lyrics) wrote:
I found a little plot of land,
in the garden of Eden.
It was dirt, and dirt is all the same.
I tilled it with my two hands,
and I called it my very own;
there was no-one to dispute my claim.

Well, you'd be shocked
at the state of things —
the whole place
had just cleared right out.
It was hotter'n hell,
so I laid me by a spring, for a spell,
as naked as a trout.

The wandering eye that I have caught
is as hot as a wandering sun.
But I will want for nothing more,
in my garden:
start again,
in my hardening to every heart but one.

Meet me in the garden of Eden.
Bring a friend.
We are gonna have ourselves a time.
We are gonna have a garden party.
It's on me!
No, sirree, it's my dime.
We broke our hearts,
in the war between
St. George and the dragon,
but both, in equal parts,
are welcome to come along.
I'm inviting everyone.

Farewell to loves that I have known,
Even muddiest waters run.
Tell me, what is meant by sin, or none,
in a garden
seceded from the union
in the year of A.D. 1?

The unending amends you've made
are enough for one life.
Be done.
I believe in innocence, little darling.
Start again.
I believe in everyone.
I believe, regardless.
I believe in everyone.
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Not particularly.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:16 pm [...] 'love' as being the fundamental force of the universe-- [...] Many religions are based on this concept. Christians refer to it as 'God'. Humans must have been having these kind of experience for as long as there have been humans.
Ben JS - 2017 wrote:‘I waited patiently for the LORD;
And He inclined to me and heard my cry.
He brought me up out of the pit of destruction, out of the miry clay,
And He set my feet upon a rock making my footsteps firm.
He put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God’

While in hospital, this is what the chaplain said I was talking about,
He directed me to this passage and said this is you. To reinforce the message.
How could my words be that of praise to God?

And then I researched:

‘Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.’ / ‘He that loves not knows not God; for God is love.’

It is love that responded to my cry.
Love that set my feet on solid ground.
A song of love I was taught.
It was love I praised.
=

Healing's Skypath (2021)
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Pure unconditional love healed my damaged spirit.
It radiated life into the being gasping for air that once was.
I think love rises above all.

I encountered a beautiful soul who guided me into the light.
I don't know if I yet have the strength to radiate this light,
but I can describe it, point in it's direction, preach it's value...

I try to plant seeds of hope
that may enable and maintain it -
such that it's blessing may lift all.


'The cosmos is within us.
We are made of star-stuff.
We are a way for the universe to know itself.
' - Carl Sagan

I'm a bit of star-stuff,
floating around other bits of star-stuff,
trying to make a happy dance.


=
from 'Desiderata' by Max Ehrmann wrote: You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Belonging (2022)
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The cosmos declares we are worthy.
The earth holds us to it's chest.
The sun shines it's love down on all.

We've survived the slings and arrows.
Every moment we live is a demonstration -
a demonstration of our hard fought life.

The word of people pales before,
the truth spoken by
the cosmos, sun and earth.

How can we be wrong?
How can our existence be wrong?
It is the universe's breath in our lungs.

There is love in our hearts and we are beautiful.
Even if every being despises you but one.
You are beautiful. There is treasure within.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:13 pm Not particularly.
A fool can try. :D

Do you have more to share regarding this topic that does resonate with you?
Perhaps, some contributions by women who dumb idiots /the insane aren't aware of..

Thanks for sharing the Physicist Federico Faggin's words.

I think we all may have those experiences of unity,
and having sincere regard / appreciation for existence.
However, some make this experience conditional -
or diluting it with their own struggles to communicate it,
to do it justice.

And that is the tragedy.

(I will do my best to set aside the time to look more into his words.)

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Now I must return to spamming any tangentially related thing I have ever seen or written in regards to this topic.
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Ben JS - 2024 wrote:[Someone said they think we all die alone:]

I think the closest people can be,
is when they hold each other in their hearts.
Then the body’s location isn’t critical.
People live, and have a home within each other -
carried wherever they go.

We all have loaned a body from the earth.
Let's leap at the opportunity such that the energy,
is on a worthy journey in our being,
than swirling aimlessly in an abyss.

We can swirl about with meaning!
A smile on our faces,
and a warm kin-filled heart -
grateful to be along for the ride.

Ideally, trying to warm other hearts,
with our presence, the world’s & their own.
A kinder play on life’s stage,
than stories of woe & tragedy…
'Goodbyes are only for those who love with their eyes.
Because for those who love with heart and soul there is no such thing as separation.
' - Rumi

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record beat (2022)
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moments rush by, escaping our recall
yet their presents radiates as all others
......reverberating within......
guiding us towards the current

reflecting on those we love,
trailing behind is a yellow brick road -
moments gone captured in amber
mementos that decorate our heart

and therein lies the record -
the depth of our love
even if our memories fade,
our heart reminds us
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Why do I quote people?

This is a philosophy forum.
'love of wisdom'
The philosopher is the one who engages in philosophy -
i.e. loves wisdom, and seeks to attain it, (& ideally act with it).

Aligning oneself with truth, is wise.
Truth is the most steady, secure foundation.
It will not crumble beneath your feet.

If you wish to build into the skies,
you do not want the floor to crumble.
Better yet, you can design a foundation,
where components may be replaced if faulty,
without the entire structure collapsing.

Furthermore, even if you must build anew,
one can still salvage the gems of truth/wisdom within the debris -
as truth does not die or become damaged,
even in a fire or collapse.

If I believe one has expressed truth -
this truth is a tool to act more wisely.
And if I'm to act in the philosophic tradition,
I ought love and respect this truth.

Thus, I ought love and respect the quotes of others -
if they are refined truth.
And if I love wisdom,
and wish to share with others that love & seek wisdom,
then I ought share the truth of others.

And to repeat:
The truth exists beyond the one who speaks it.
It is not necessarily the people who have spoken truth that I admire,
rather, it is the truth I believe they have expressed - that is being admired.

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...so your representation, friend, was wrong!
Don't be defeated, though - missteps are opportunity for learning.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:27 am Plus, preaching something and telling others how to behave and not following your own words makes that person a hypocrite.
Can a person speak to the risks of drinking alcohol,
then drink themselves to death?
Is there value in speaking truth to others,
even if one does not align with it?

I am an eternal idiot.
But the words spoken,
do not rely on my character at all.

Thus, to defend my character is a distraction.
I'd rather just say - 'yea, u right' to any personal accusation,
then get back to talking about what matters -
the quality of the arguments regarding what is / isn't true.

I mock others, but do not condemn them.
I wish the wellbeing of others, not their suffering.
Even to those who have literally raped and tortured me.

Wiki:
Paradox of Tolerance wrote:The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
Google (AI Summary):
Paradox of Tolerance wrote: The paradox of tolerance, articulated by philosopher Karl Popper, suggests that unlimited tolerance must inevitably lead to the disappearance of tolerance. This is because a society that tolerates intolerance risks enabling the intolerant to suppress the tolerant, ultimately undermining the very principle of tolerance it strives to uphold.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

The Core Idea:
Popper argued that while it's essential to be tolerant of diverse viewpoints, there must be limits to what a tolerant society will accept. If a society tolerates ideologies or actions that are inherently intolerant, it risks allowing those intolerant forces to gain power and eventually eliminate tolerance for all.

Self-Defeating Tolerance:
The paradox highlights the potential for a society to become self-defeating by extending tolerance too broadly. By tolerating those who are intolerant, it risks allowing them to exploit that tolerance to establish a new form of intolerance.

Justification for Intolerance of Intolerance:
The paradox is often used to justify certain restrictions on speech or actions that are considered to be inherently intolerant or harmful. The argument is that a society must sometimes be intolerant of intolerance in order to protect its own values and principles, and even its survival.

Real-World Examples:
The paradox is often invoked in discussions about hate speech, hate crimes, and other issues where the line between free speech and intolerance is debated. For example, some argue that while free speech is a fundamental right, it should not extend to hate speech that incites violence or discrimination against marginalized groups.

Balancing Tolerance and Self-Defense:
The paradox raises the important question of how to balance the principles of tolerance and self-defense. A society must strive to be inclusive and accepting of diverse viewpoints, but it must also be vigilant in protecting itself from those who would undermine its fundamental values and principles, according to the paradox.
It is not the people, we must be intolerant of, if we are to defend the principles of tolerance -
but the ideas and the actions of the person.

We need not condemn the person to condemn their behavior or ideas.

Ignorance and unhealthy trajectories must be be challenged.

Some only understand aggression,
only respect aggression -
sometimes an effective initial step,
is a display of force..
not because this is how we want all interactions to be,
but because this is the way to break through the barriers of certain ignorances.

If a person has a tumor,
sometimes the crude solution is best -
as there's very few alternatives.
Cutting people open isn't the ideal.

In the future,
we can exercise prevention,
and education on what causes tumors.
Our approach for the future,
can appear different than our approach for the present.

-

Now, what constitutes unhealthy behavior and views is up for much debate -
and likely an ever evolving concept, with the culture, standards & understandings of the time.

But, there are some pretty evidently dangerous ones.
Like for example,
The ones that led the entire planet to engage in war.

Wouldn't you know it -
When the entire world was at war,
some people started to ask:
how the fuck did this happen?
and if we survive this,
how do we stop it from never happening again?

They came up with some good answers -
spawned from the utter misery of the conditions they lived.
How to protect the future, from the pitfalls of our ignorances.
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Is that supposed to be poetry, and if not why are you writing like that? With all that 'love' you allegedly have for others, you don't seem to mind annoying the f out of them.
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