K1Barin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:34 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:30 pm
K1Barin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:31 pm
Hello Age, what do you think about my idea of self as an undivisable part of matter (fundamental particle) ?
I think 'your idea' is 'missing the mark'.
you are also only talking about 'we', in regards to beings, only, within human bodies.
The words, 'human beings', just refers to the people, or beings, within human bodies. To me, you are, EXACTLY, Right and Correct about if a body looses a hand, arm, leg, or eyes, for example, then the 'person' does NOT become 'less', for example. The 'body' has nothing at all in regards to the 'person', or the 'being'. People are inside and/or within 'the human body'. But, to me, 'you', the person, or people, are NOT ANY thing 'visible'. Personalities, like person, people, or beings are 'invisible', and what 'you', people, are, EXACTLY, are just the, invisible, 'thoughts' and 'emotions' within human bodies.
When we talk about 'self' we mean a single entity as 'myself'.
1. To start with the word 'myself' is an oxymoron and/or self-contradictory. So, as long as that is FULLY REALIZED, then 'we' can move along.
2. When 'you', here, say, 'When 'we' talk about 'self' ...', then as long as you are FULLY AWARE that 'you' are NOT talking FOR 'we', here, then all well and good.
3. When 'I' talk about 'self' 'I' MEAN A 'single entity' AS WELL.
Now, AGAIN, when 'I' talk ABOUT 'self' 'I' am MEANING and REFERRING TO the 'single entity', known as 'person' or 'self', WITHIN A single human body. And, when 'I' talk ABOUT 'Self', (big 'S'), although 'I' am ALSO MEANING and REFERRING TO A 'single entity' it is CERTAINLY NOT 'you' individual persons or selves within human bodies, AT ALL.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:34 am
Thoughts and emotions associated to one person are numerous.
Here is ANOTHER PRIME example of ANOTHER one who SHOWS ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR INTEREST AT ALL IN even just ATTEMPTING TO UNDERSTAND 'another' or 'another point of view'.
WHO CARES if 'thoughts and emotions' are NUMEROUS?
If you are WANTING TO UNDERSTAND the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of things, here, then your VIEWS and CLAIMS HAVE TO FIT IN, PERFECTLY, WITH the ACTUAL Truth of ALL things. And, what 'this' is, EXACTLY, is the INVISIBLE 'thoughts and feelings' ARE what 'you', people and/or selves, ARE, EXACTLY.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:34 am
Considering all thoughts and emotions in combination as 'self ' would make it 'myselves'!
What are 'you' even ON ABOUT, here?
ONLY ONE 'thought and emotion' can only exist at ANY given moment.
And, 'you', people, are NOT what the 'thought' is ABOUT, but 'thought', itself.
Now, ONCE AGAIN, if absolutely ANY one would like to have A DISCUSSION, here, INSTEAD OF just TELLING 'me' their OWN ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, and EXPRESS 'them' as though they ARE Facts, then PLEASE let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:34 am
And if you mean a single body that makes all the thoughts and emotions, then that 'self ' is a visible body.
'you', OBVIOUSLY, have NOT YET UNDERSTOOD just about ANY that 'I' have SAID and WROTE, here.
And, 'you' NOT ASKING ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, AT ALL, SHOWS that you are NOT OPEN, NOR even WANTING, TO LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING MORE.
I will suggest that INSTEAD of SAYING and WRITING things like, 'If you mean ...', you SAY and WRITE some thing like, 'When you say 'this' or 'that' what do you ACTUALLY MEAN, EXACTLY?
See, if you DID 'this', then you COULD and WOULD LEARN, and UNDERSTAND, MORE.
My job, here, is to NOT Correct ALL of your Wrong ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS.