Don't know what your purpose in life is?

[Age]

Most people think it makes them appear smart, claiming that they are looking for truth, as if truth were something perceptible.

WHO is ANY person, when claiming that they are looking for 'truth', is thinking that it makes them appear smart?
Is this what 'you' think, and therefore PRESUMED 'most other people' think the SAME thing?
But, the ACTUAL Truth of things IS VERY 'perceptible', that is; OBVIOUSLY WHEN one is LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' FOR EXACTLY AS 'they' ARE.

This same farce is maintained by those who have found god.

What 'farce', EXACTLY?

That 'god' is some 'thing' perceptible, or that they think that if they say they have found 'god', then 'this' makes them appear smart?

Also, what even is 'god', which a little 'g', EXACTLY?

Are you AWARE of just HOW UNCLEAR 'your writings' REALLY ARE "phil8659"?

You have to realize, on some level, that you not only have a purpose, but that purpose is the regulation of behavior, starting with your own.

WHY, EXACTLY, do you people, supposedly, HAVE TO realize that 'your purpose' is the, supposed, 'regulation of behavior', and STARTING WITH 'your own'?

AND, HOW COME 'you' have NOT LEARNED HOW TO 'regulate' 'your OWN behavior', YET?

ALSO, WHO TOLD 'you' that 'you' HAD TO REALIZE 'these things', here, EXACTLY?

So have all of your threads or posts ABOUT 'purpose' just been about, 'regulating one's OWN behavior FIRST', ONLY?

By the way, what 'kind of human being' would think or believe that,'regulating others' behavior', CAME BEFORE, 'regulating their OWN behavior FIRST, anyway'?

And, OBVIOUSLY what you are SAYING and CLAIMING is NOT 'purpose' in relation TO human beings, IN Life, but in relation TO ONLY SOME particular human beings, ONLY.

So, WHEN and IF 'you' EVER come to LEARN and UNDERSTAND what the PURPOSE OF you human beings, then GET BACK TO 'us', okay?

There is a right way to behave.

REALLY?

So, what IS 'that right way', EXACTLY?

If you do NOT INFORM 'us', here, then 'you' sound like NOTHING MORE than a "school teacher" TELLING children, 'There is a right way to behave', and SAYING NOTHING ELSE.

So, ONCE AGAIN, if you do NOT ANSWER and CLARIFY, and thus are NOT SAYING ANY thing ELSE, then you are, literally, NOT SAYING ANY thing AT ALL, here, REALLY.

A mind produces all of the behaviors of the body.

The ACTUAL Truth IS the Mind does NO such thing. BUT, because you ARE ABSOLUTELY CLOSED, here, you WILL NEVER DISCUSS, and thus NEVER LEARN ANY thing MORE NOR NEW, here.

i.e., there is a right way to do anything.

ONCE AGAIN, your sentences are NOT following, logically.

Even IF the first part of your sentence WAS CORRECT it, STILL, would NOT 'logically follow', 'There is a right way to do ANY thing', FROM, 'A mind producers all of the behaviors of the body', ANYWAY.

you REALLY DO NOT YET HAVE the ABILITY TO JUST 'logically reason'. Although you OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY OTHERWISE, correct?

By biological fact, we produce the behavior of our own body.

LOL Who ELSE were you 'thinking' could have been PRODUCING 'the behavior' of 'those human bodies'?

We regulate, or do not regulate, our own behavior.

So, any one claiming, in the light of facts they have lived with their whole life, that this is not true, is as stupid as one can get.

Do you ACTUALLY 'read' your OWN sentences BEFORE you 'hit' the 'submit button'?

I KNOW I do NOT ALWAYS, and on 'reading' and/or 're-reading' I REALIZE I could have WRITTEN MUCH BETTER, but COME ON, while 'you' ARE CLAIMING that 'others' ARE STUPID, surely 'you' WOULD MAKE SURE that 'your OWN sentences' MAKE SOME SORT OF SENSE, or COULD MAKE SENSE if the misspelling or 'grammatical errors' ARE OBVIOUS, but what are the words,
'So, any one claiming, in the light of facts they have lived with their whole life, that this is not true,' ACTUALLY MEAN and/or ARE ACTUALLY REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

If you are, REALLY, going to CLAIM that 'those people' ARE AS STUPID as one CAN GET, then, SURELY, MAKING your OWN statement and CLAIM IS READABLE and UNDERSTANDABLE would be A BEHAVIOR that you WOULD HAVE 'REGULATED', FIRSTLY.

Throughout your posts, which I have been replying to, it is like just about EVERY time you have CRITICIZED others ABOUT you go and DO the EXACT SAME thing.

Our job is the regulation of behavior.

When you SAY and WRITE the 'our' word, here, then WHO are 'you' REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

Because with ANY sort of REASONED THINKING one VERY QUICKLY REALIZES that 'you' could NOT BE REFERRING TO ALL human beings AT ALL. So, WHO, EXACTLY, are 'you' REFERRING TO, here?

Science tells you that is your job, your purpose.

'Science' DOES NOT TELL 'you' human beings ANY such thing.

What you are DOING, here, is just ANOTHER PRIME example of one just 'seeing' what their 'current' BELIEFS are 'telling' them TO 'see'. And, BECAUSE OF your 'current' BELIEFS you are just 'seeking out', 'searching for', and 'grasping' and 'clinging' ON TO ANY word/s, which you HOPE WILL back up and support your 'current' BELIEF/S, here.

Social Law tells you that is your purpose.

you are, STILL, MISSING THE MARK, here.

And if you actually read the Bible, it tells you the same thing.

LOL Some who, ACTUALLY DO, read the bible, SAY and CLAIM that the bible TELLS 'us' MANY DIFFERENT, and even OPPOSING, things.

AGAIN, what ANY thing 'TELLS' you human beings ALL DEPENDS ON 'your 'current' PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS'. In other words, HOW you LOOK AT, and thus SEE, or HEAR, 'things', ALL DEPENDS on PRE-EXISTING 'conditions'. Which, if NOT REGULATED Correctly, can and DOES LEAD you human beings COMPLETELY ASTRAY. As the last few thousand or so years, hitherto when this was being written, PROVES ABSOLUTELY SO.

See, WHEN 'you', people, ALSO LEARN HOW TO REGULATE 'your OWN behaviors' in 'the way' you LOOK AT and SEE 'things', TO 'the Right WAY', TO LOOK AT and SEE 'things', properly AND Correctly, for HOW 'things' REALLY ARE, then 'you', ALSO, can and WILL SEE the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth OF 'things'.

Our job, the regulation of behavior, has two branches, one according to the stupid, and one according to the intelligent.

And, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN BETWEEN, well according TO 'this one', here, ONLY.

Also, do NOT FORGET that 'it' IS 'the intelligent' ONE, and the 'rest of ALL of you' are 'the stupid', ONES.

There is factually, no mystery about it.

LOL 'There is'.

[Age]

I think that is normal, even though odd.

Every form of life is composed of a number of life support systems, each of them have their particular job to do, and they simply do it.

Now a mind is the product of one of those life support systems, and claims it does not know what its purpose is.
Well, there you go. With your own lips, you said what Evolutionist say, not evolved to be functional.
It is what the Bible also states.
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It is a normal product of evolution to be at a staged of development, that your only concept of work is Duh!

A person without a purpose, is simply an incomplete person.

By biological design, we are destined to be intelligent enough to do our own work. How intelligent are you if you cannot even take the first step?

Life's original purpose is the propagation of life.

This can NOT be refuted, as long as it is FULLY UNDERSTOOD that 'Life', Itself, is ALWAYS anyway, and it is only 'life', 'species', which, actually, propagates. Some Thing, which 'itself' is infinite and/or eternal, like 'Life', Itself, does NOT 'propagate'.

In man this is not enough.

Why NOT in 'woman', as well?

Men need a purpose, above that of animals,

Did you mean, 'other animals'?

to focus their creative minds,

'Men', nor 'women', nor 'children', nor 'babies', of the human species 'have minds'. However, if you REALLY WANT TO CLAIM that 'they do', then go ahead and EXPLAIN what these 'mind things' ARE, EXACTLY, WHERE 'they' EXIST, and HOW 'they' WORK, EXACTLY?

to give direction to their will.

What is 'men's' 'will', EXACTLY?

Is 'it' DIFFERENT FROM 'women's' 'will', AT ALL?

Every man gives himself a purpose, so as to give meaning to his suffering.

WHY are 'men', SUFFERING?

WHAT HAPPENED, and/or IS HAPPENING, TO 'them', EXACTLY?

Also, IF EVERY 'man' is GIVING "them" 'self' A 'purpose', then is 'it' the SAME purpose AS 'the purpose' you SAID and CLAIM 'men' NEEDED? Or, are 'men' GIVING "themselves" DIFFERENT 'purposes'?

Usually men find collective purposes in ideologies and dogmas.

Do 'they'?

WHY DO 'men' DO this?

And, what for, EXACTLY?

If purpose were universal then men would have no free-will and would be determined by said purpose.

So, 'the purpose' that you SAID, 'men NEEDED' above, here, is NOT, 'now', 'universal', right?

God's will would determine their purpose.

Which is, more or less, EXACTLY what you were SAYING, and MEANING, when you were CLAIMING that,
'Men NEED a purpose, above that of animals, to focus their creative minds, to give direction to their will', correct?

Modern men have replaced the absolutist ideal of god's will with the idea of absolute order, calling it determinism.

Who and what are so-called 'modern men', EXACTLY?

They want to be given a purpose, because they fear the responsibility of giving themselves one.

So, WHY do 'you' NOT just TELL 'them' what 'their purpose' IS, EXACTLY?

God's announced death, has left a void in their spirit.

When was 'this announcement'? And, HOW could A 'spirit' HAVE A 'void', EXACTLY?

They need god, or a comparable absolute to give them what they cannot give themselves - a motive and a scapegoat, to blame when their motives lead to negative consequences.

REALLY?

If yes, then HOW do 'you' KNOW 'this', EXACTLY?

[Age]

I think that is normal, even though odd.

Every form of life is composed of a number of life support systems, each of them have their particular job to do, and they simply do it.

Now a mind is the product of one of those life support systems, and claims it does not know what its purpose is.
Well, there you go. With your own lips, you said what Evolutionist say, not evolved to be functional.
It is what the Bible also states.
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It is a normal product of evolution to be at a staged of development, that your only concept of work is Duh!

A person without a purpose, is simply an incomplete person.

By biological design, we are destined to be intelligent enough to do our own work. How intelligent are you if you cannot even take the first step?

Life's original purpose is the propagation of life.
In man this is not enough.
Men need a purpose, above that of animals, to focus their creative minds, to give direction to their will.

Every man gives himself a purpose, so as to give meaning to his suffering.
Usually men find collective purposes in ideologies and dogmas.
If purpose were universal then men would have no free-will and would be determined by said purpose.
God's will would determine their purpose.
Modern men have replaced the absolutist ideal of god's will with the idea of absolute order, calling it determinism.
They want to be given a purpose, because they fear the responsibility of giving themselves one.

God's announced death, has left a void in their spirit.
They need god, or a comparable absolute to give them what they cannot give themselves - a motive and a scapegoat, to blame when their motives lead to negative consequences.

Plato divided between the perceptible and the intelligible.

AGAIN, SO WHAT?

you KEEP RE-REPEATING some of the SAME 'things', OVER and OVER.

And this same division was made in religion and science
The common man, has no criteria for a god, other than some of what you mention.
However, the Philosopher, as they divided the Universe, between the finite and infinite, i.e., binary,
Plato made the physical universe the body of God, i.e., all the power in the universe materially.
And the mind of God, the reason by which the universe is actually expressed, and it works like this.

'This' may well ALL BE True, but UNLESS 'you' EXPRESS and EXPLAIN the HOW's and the WHY's, you are REALLY NOTHING SAYING MUCH AT ALL, here.

All a mind can do is process information, all information is processed in binary.

The Mind, Itself, 'you' OBVIOUSLY DO NOT YET KNOW, NOR UNDERSTAND.

See, HOW the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK IS DIFFERENT FROM what you SAY and CLAIM, here.

Therefore, there is pure reason, often called pure science, which applies to Common Grammar, Arithmetic Algebra and Geometry.

AGAIN, you ARE OVER COMPLICATING what IS PURELY VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY, and which does NOT NEED COMPLICATING AT ALL.

Or in the terms of Confucius, which you find in his Rectification of Names. So, the Bible calls such a person a prophet, or seer, Plato called him the Philosopher, Confucius, the superior man.

SO WHAT?

WHERE ARE the EXAMPLES and PROOFS?

AND, WHY are 'you' TELLING 'us' 'this'? WHAT IS 'it', EXACTLY, that 'you' are WANTING TO and TRYING TO ACHIEVE, here, EXACTLY?

To the common man,

What do 'you' even MEAN by 'common man', EXACTLY?

he often envisions a perceptible and material god, while the superior man, god is an intelligible, the only power of the universe, mirrored by intelligence.
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What are you even ON ABOUT, here?

Only a few sentences earlier you are CLAIMING 'your god', "plato", made the perception and material Universe, God, Itself, which MEANS that you are 'now', SAYING and CLAIMING that 'your god', "plato", itself", is JUST A 'common man', right?

Now, HOPEFULLY, 'you' WILL GAIN the ABILITY TO CLARIFY "yourself' AND thus 'your thoughts, BELIEFS, and CLAIMS', here.

But, 'we' WILL HAVE TO WAIT, TO SEE.

[Ben JS]

Modern men have replaced the absolutist ideal of god's will with the idea of absolute order, calling it determinism.
They want to be given a purpose, because they fear the responsibility of giving themselves one.

Wrong.

Belief in determinism does not remove one's will to create their own purpose and seek their ideals.

What it does, is enable us to be more forgiving and compassionate to those who act unhealthily.
It makes us wiser.

Determinists aren't telling anyone to abandon all purpose and self accountability for their actions or intent.

Why are you so comfortable stating falsehoods?

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Existential nihilism, which I consider my beliefs aligned with - does not contradict Determinism.
This philosophy of thought says we CAN create our own meaning, and finding purpose within ourselves.

But this is all off topic from this brilliant thread, so I wont belabor the point.

[Ben JS]

"Binary recursion", not "binary incursion". Phil hallucinates that binary recursion is everywhere because that nutcase Plato said something like that.

Right, my mistake.
It was a non-sequitor that Phil introduced to the conversation,
likely an area he feels comfortable with and expects other to not be.
Shifting the conversation, altering the goal posts, to avoid being held accountable.

He still hasn't given that definition of design.
I guess defining his terms doesn't seem important in his brilliant perspective.

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Simply put, if you really believed that you had no purpose, you would not even be motivated to breathe, or even get out of bed.

I said we weren't biologically designed,
and that there isn't an inherent purpose to our existence.

We create purpose.

You're either straw-manning me, or conflating terms ignorantly.

Genius failed to post design as a noun

[google] Design (noun): a plan or drawing produced to show the look and function or workings of a building, garment, or other object before it is made.

A design is created before the designed.
You don't create a design of a thing after the thing exists.

Perhaps you mean something like schematic?
A diagram of our workings created after the fact.
A diagram does not decree what ought be.

Diagram: A plan, sketch, drawing, or outline designed to demonstrate or explain how something works or to clarify the relationship between the parts of a whole.

We do have biological structure,
and there are outcomes of the structure -
but our structure was not designed.

There was no plan behind us -
evolutionary speaking.

[Pistolero]

Wrong.

Suck confident declarations should be accompanied with reasoning.

Belief in determinism does not remove one's will to create their own purpose and seek their ideals.

You should run this by your fellow free-will deniers.
Choice is the issue.
If your choices, your will, is not able to select from multiple options, then it has no choice.

What it does, is enable us to be more forgiving and compassionate to those who act unhealthily.
It makes us wiser.

Determinists aren't telling anyone to abandon all purpose and self accountability for their actions or intent.

Why are you so comfortable stating falsehoods?

No, they are self-contradicting.
They act in ways that contradict their absolutist claims.... because they want to save themselves from accountability.

If you allow for some participation in what is being determined, then this is an acknowledgment that life has some degree of freedom equal to its power.
Free-will does not mean man can liberate himself form causality, only that his judgments and choices are part of causality.

Existential nihilism, which I consider my beliefs aligned with - does not contradict Determinism.
This philosophy of thought says we CAN create our own meaning, and finding purpose within ourselves.

But this is all off topic from this brilliant thread, so I wont belabor the point.

Therefore, each man can 'choose' his purpose.
This is a choice between multiple options.
The amount of options, accessible, determines a man';s freedom, and his freedom is determined by his power, his will power.

Free-will does not contradict causality, it simply reminds man that his willful actions, choices, judgments, are part of causality.

Otherwise, how would big brains and intelligence be naturally selected?

[Ben JS]

Wrong.

Suck confident declarations should be accompanied with reasoning.

Belief in determinism does not remove one's will to create their own purpose and seek their ideals.

You should run this by your fellow free-will deniers.
Choice is the issue.
If your choices, your will, is not able to select from multiple options, then it has no choice.

What it does, is enable us to be more forgiving and compassionate to those who act unhealthily.
It makes us wiser.

Determinists aren't telling anyone to abandon all purpose and self accountability for their actions or intent.

Why are you so comfortable stating falsehoods?

No, they are self-contradicting.
They act in ways that contradict their absolutist claims.... because they want to save themselves from accountability.

If you allow for some participation in what is being determined, then this is an acknowledgment that life has some degree of freedom equal to its power.
Free-will does not mean man can liberate himself form causality, only that his judgments and choices are part of causality.

Existential nihilism, which I consider my beliefs aligned with - does not contradict Determinism.
This philosophy of thought says we CAN create our own meaning, and finding purpose within ourselves.

But this is all off topic from this brilliant thread, so I wont belabor the point.

Therefore, each man can 'choose' his purpose.
This is a choice between multiple options.
The amount of options, accessible, determines a man';s freedom, and his freedom is determined by his power, his will power.

Free-will does not contradict causality, it simply reminds man that his willful actions, choices, judgments, are part of causality.

Otherwise, how would big brains and intelligence be naturally selected?

In the interests of not derailing this lovely thread,
my response to this post is made at the below link.
A thread where it is far more on topic.

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