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Re: Don't know what your purpose in life is?

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promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Well, Aristotle's forms of causality are a little off. The purpose of the acorn is not the oak tree... the tree just follows from a series of natural chemical and material processes, none of which have any purpose either. It's the great assembly of contiguous regularity in nature that makes us think things are designed and have purpose. You'd have to be a moron to look around at this incredibly fragile, incredibly complex world and only say, "it just happened, and there is nothing behind it." And yet there really is nothing behind it.
And, what are you BASING your CLAIM, here, off, or on, EXACTLY, besides your OWN ALREADY PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

Do you have ABSOLUTELY ANY ACTUAL PROOF FOR your CLAIM, here?
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Think of it like this. One wouldn't say the purpose of a single celled organism swimming around a vent at the bottom of the ocean is to become a human being millions of years later. So why give purpose to an acorn because it becomes a tree a little later? Or, say, a collection of axons in the brain that form a network that makes thinking possible a little later?

None of the antecedent conditions, things, or states of affairs in either of those examples had as their 'purpose' to come together and make a tree and thinking happen.
So, what IS 'the purpose' FOR ANY and/or EVERY 'thing', EXACTLY?
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Age wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:55 am
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Well, Aristotle's forms of causality are a little off. The purpose of the acorn is not the oak tree... the tree just follows from a series of natural chemical and material processes, none of which have any purpose either. It's the great assembly of contiguous regularity in nature that makes us think things are designed and have purpose. You'd have to be a moron to look around at this incredibly fragile, incredibly complex world and only say, "it just happened, and there is nothing behind it." And yet there really is nothing behind it.
And, what are you BASING your CLAIM, here, off, or on, EXACTLY, besides your OWN ALREADY PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

Do you have ABSOLUTELY ANY ACTUAL PROOF FOR your CLAIM, here?
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Think of it like this. One wouldn't say the purpose of a single celled organism swimming around a vent at the bottom of the ocean is to become a human being millions of years later. So why give purpose to an acorn because it becomes a tree a little later? Or, say, a collection of axons in the brain that form a network that makes thinking possible a little later?

None of the antecedent conditions, things, or states of affairs in either of those examples had as their 'purpose' to come together and make a tree and thinking happen.
So, what IS 'the purpose' FOR ANY and/or EVERY 'thing', EXACTLY?
EXACTLY, demonstrated by Plato, put into a simple sentence by Aristotle,
"Every thing which has a function, exists for that function." Try actually reading something.

It is also written as, for every agent there is a patient, or again, for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. That is, if you have the intelligence to trace it down to the Law of Identity.
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Re: Don't know what your purpose in life is?

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Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:45 am
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Well, Aristotle's forms of causality are a little off. The purpose of the acorn is not the oak tree... the tree just follows from a series of natural chemical and material processes, none of which have any purpose either. It's the great assembly of contiguous regularity in nature that makes us think things are designed and have purpose. You'd have to be a moron to look around at this incredibly fragile, incredibly complex world and only say, "it just happened, and there is nothing behind it." And yet there really is nothing behind it.

Think of it like this. One wouldn't say the purpose of a single celled organism swimming around a vent at the bottom of the ocean is to become a human being millions of years later. So why give purpose to an acorn because it becomes a tree a little later? Or, say, a collection of axons in the brain that form a network that makes thinking possible a little later?

None of the antecedent conditions, things, or states of affairs in either of those examples had as their 'purpose' to come together and make a tree and thinking happen.
You do not seem to grasp the idea behind the definition of a thing.
LOL
LOL
LOL

'your' definition of A 'thing', "phil8659", is that 'the parts' of 'the thing' are NOT 'a thing', themselves.

So, if you WANT others TO 'grasp' 'your idea behind the definition of a thing', then you WILL HAVE TO DO MUCH, MUCH BETTER, here.
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Binary recursion always produces a binary result.
But, without ACTUAL PROOF 'this' does NOT MEAN that there is ONLY 'binary recursion' NOR that Life, or Existence, Itself, is a 'binary recursion'. Can you, at least, comprehend and understand 'this Fact'?
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am This means, as a form of life, our purpose was put into a metaphor "To have life, and have it more abundantly."
LOL
LOL
LOL

It is because of your Truly ABSURD and RIDICULOUS CLAIMS and definitions like 'this one', here, OBVIOUSLY IS, WHY you VERY RARELY, if EVER, PROVIDE definitions, explanations, nor clarity when you are JUST ASKED TO.

LOL HOW could ANY one OBTAIN and/or HAVE 'life', itself, 'more abundantly'?

NOT that you will EVER JUST ANSWER and CLARIFY this QUESTION, here.
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Life contradicting itself, is a dysfunction in that form of life.

If a mind is functioning, binary recursion is the only thing it is possible to understand.
'This one' STILL CLAIMS there is MORE than One Mind, which it OBVIOUSLY HAS NOT YET PROVED. NOR has it even defined the 'mind' word, although it has been ASKED TO, PREVIOUSLY.
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Genius failed to post design as a noun, that is an assertion boundary or limit, which is applied as a manner of parsing information.
MORE GIBBERISH, which AGAIN it WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY examples of what is the CORRECT GRAMMAR for what it CLAIMS is INCORRECT GRAMMAR.
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See, even when the dog asks for something exact, he ignores it, dismisses it and keeps on begging for attention,
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Ben JS wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:54 am
Chat GPT wrote:"Binary incursion" is not a widely recognized term in general discourse, and its meaning can depend on the context in which it's used. However, we can break down the term:

Binary refers to something involving two parts, often related to binary code in computing, where information is represented using two states (0 and 1). It can also refer to anything with two components or categories.

Incursion typically means an invasion or intrusion, especially a sudden or brief one, into another area, often with a sense of conflict or disturbance.

Combining these ideas, "binary incursion" could potentially refer to:

A digital or cyber-related attack – In the context of computer science or cybersecurity, it might refer to an intrusion involving binary data (such as a virus or malware using binary code to breach a system).

A two-part or dual-process invasion – It might be used more metaphorically to describe a situation where two factors or forces invade or disrupt a system or environment in a coordinated manner, possibly related to technology, military tactics, or even political discourse.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:45 am You do not seem to grasp the idea behind the definition of a thing. Binary recursion always produces a binary result.
This means, as a form of life, our purpose was put into a metaphor "To have life, and have it more abundantly."
This is Cowardly Phil trying to hide behind more terms he randomly combined to mean something he wont admit.

Coward wont define his words.

Coward hides from accountability.

Coward comes to a philosophy forum, and explains purpose in metaphor.
There is not A thing that "phil8659" has SAID and CLAIMED, here, which I have QUESTIONED and CHALLENGED it on, that it has been ABLE TO back up and support in ANY WAY, let alone in SOME WAY, or AT ALL.
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Re: Don't know what your purpose in life is?

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Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:57 am
Ben JS wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:54 am
Chat GPT wrote:"Binary incursion" is not a widely recognized term in general discourse, and its meaning can depend on the context in which it's used. However, we can break down the term:

Binary refers to something involving two parts, often related to binary code in computing, where information is represented using two states (0 and 1). It can also refer to anything with two components or categories.

Incursion typically means an invasion or intrusion, especially a sudden or brief one, into another area, often with a sense of conflict or disturbance.

Combining these ideas, "binary incursion" could potentially refer to:

A digital or cyber-related attack – In the context of computer science or cybersecurity, it might refer to an intrusion involving binary data (such as a virus or malware using binary code to breach a system).

A two-part or dual-process invasion – It might be used more metaphorically to describe a situation where two factors or forces invade or disrupt a system or environment in a coordinated manner, possibly related to technology, military tactics, or even political discourse.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:45 am You do not seem to grasp the idea behind the definition of a thing. Binary recursion always produces a binary result.
This means, as a form of life, our purpose was put into a metaphor "To have life, and have it more abundantly."
This is Cowardly Phil trying to hide behind more terms he randomly combined to mean something he wont admit.

Coward wont define his words.

Coward hides from accountability.

Coward comes to a philosophy forum, and explains purpose in metaphor.
LMAO, so I am accountable for your stupidity, and I am the coward for not taking responsibility for someone else's illiteracy?
A coward will not own up to their own mistakes.

Again, the computer has proven Plato's teaching about grammar, mankind has had 2,400 year to write a correct grammar book. I suppose that is my fault too?
LOL The little snippets that 'I' have taken OUT OF 'your' OWN little grammar book, which you CLAIM is correct, 'i' have ALREADY SHOWN TO BE False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect, when they HAVE BEEN.

But, as you would SAY, 'you were TOO STUPID' to RECOGNIZE and SEE this'.
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Ben JS wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:58 am
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:57 amA coward will not own up to their own mistakes.
You've evidenced this very well.

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I'll leave you with the last stupid word.
Likely not responding.
"phil8659" has NOT just 'evidenced' this, "phil8659" has 'proved' this, IRREFUTABLY.
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Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:09 am
Ben JS wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:06 am Claiming we are biologically designed is the error the coward made.
Illustrated by my above post.
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I've given him far too much time.
Well, prove to me or anyone else that mankind is not a biological organism and you are not just another arrogant fool who cannot even understand grammar.
WHY do you CONTINUALLY make CLAIMS like the one I just underlined, here?

It is 'you' who KEEPS PROVING that you are NOT UNDERSTANDING quite a lot of 'the words', which are, here, BEFORE you.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:09 am I have posted over 21,000 pages of grammar lessons, show me your work.
you could have posted over 21,000,000 pages of ANY thing, but that in and of itself will NEVER EVER MEAN that what you posted is even remotely close to what IS actually True, Right, Accurate, and/nor Correct.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:09 am Show me that grammar is not a binary product.
you KEEP 'harping' ON ABOUT the 'same things', which, REALLY, do NOT have ANY ACTUAL BEARING on what is being SAID and CLAIMED, here.

Is there ANY thing, in ANYWHERE of 'your writings', that PROVES, IRREFUTABLY, that 'humankind', and NOT 'mankind', IS 'biologically designed' FROM SOME thing?

you 'TRYING TO' CHANGE the words, 'biological designed', TO, 'a biological organism', is just FURTHER PROOF OF your COMPLETE LACK OF COMPREHENDING and UNDERSTANDING, here, OR, your COMPLETE ATTEMPT TO 'TRY TO" DECEIVE and DEFLECT, here.

Either way what you ARE DOING, here, NEEDS Correcting.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:09 am That Grammar, the only power a mind has, has no purpose, by design. that it is just some chance.
AGAIN, 'this' is JUST MORE GIBBERISH.
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Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:21 am
Age wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:18 am you go on about 'grammar', here, "phil8659", as though you have 'grammar' all worked out, but you did not even just get the 'grammar' in your thread title, here, correct. Let alone the rest of what you said and wrote, here.
Here we go with the so called brave man's deflection. Do not be shy. I did not say spelling, or typo's I said grammar, look it up. I am waiting for my hero!
Did 'I' EVER SAY ANY thing ABOUT 'spelling', or the EXCUSE WORD 'typos'?

OBVIOUSLY, 'No'. So, ONCE MORE, you 'TRY TO' DEFLECT, and DECEIVE, here.

And, the Fact that you could NOT EVEN COMPREHEND, and UNDERSTAND, what I AM REFERRING TO, here, EXACTLY, just FURTHER PROVES HOW MUCH you are REALLY LACKING IN COMPREHENDING SKILLS, here.
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After reading your last reply to me, Phil, i have to file you away as one of those brainiacs having his own unique (use of) language that nobody else will ever understand and who will therefore have to pass through much of life smart af, frustrated, and alone.
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Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:03 am
Age wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:55 am
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Well, Aristotle's forms of causality are a little off. The purpose of the acorn is not the oak tree... the tree just follows from a series of natural chemical and material processes, none of which have any purpose either. It's the great assembly of contiguous regularity in nature that makes us think things are designed and have purpose. You'd have to be a moron to look around at this incredibly fragile, incredibly complex world and only say, "it just happened, and there is nothing behind it." And yet there really is nothing behind it.
And, what are you BASING your CLAIM, here, off, or on, EXACTLY, besides your OWN ALREADY PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

Do you have ABSOLUTELY ANY ACTUAL PROOF FOR your CLAIM, here?
promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 12:38 am Think of it like this. One wouldn't say the purpose of a single celled organism swimming around a vent at the bottom of the ocean is to become a human being millions of years later. So why give purpose to an acorn because it becomes a tree a little later? Or, say, a collection of axons in the brain that form a network that makes thinking possible a little later?

None of the antecedent conditions, things, or states of affairs in either of those examples had as their 'purpose' to come together and make a tree and thinking happen.
So, what IS 'the purpose' FOR ANY and/or EVERY 'thing', EXACTLY?
EXACTLY, demonstrated by Plato, put into a simple sentence by Aristotle,
"Every thing which has a function, exists for that function." Try actually reading something.
LOL OBVIOUSLY, 'Every thing, which has A function, exists for 'that function', EXACTLY LIKE, 'Every thing, which as A purpose, exists for 'that purpose', which is ALL VERY OBVIOUS. However, and just AS OBVIOUS, is that 'these' do NOT MEAN that EVERY thing has A function, NOR A purpose, CLEARLY.
Phil8659 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:03 am It is also written as, for every agent there is a patient, or again, for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. That is, if you have the intelligence to trace it down to the Law of Identity.
LOL 'to trace 'it' down to ...'.

YET 'this one' does NOT YET EVEN KNOW what the 'it' word IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY. And, 'this one' WILL PROVE 'this' by NOT ASKING the QUESTION, 'What is the 'it' word REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?'
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:24 am After reading your last reply to me, Phil, i have to file you away as one of those brainiacs having his own unique (use of) language that nobody else will ever understand and who will therefore have to pass through much of life smart af, frustrated, and alone.
Seriously? that is really lame. I suppose you are right about my great grandchildren. They are not yet grown up.
And 21,000 pages of grammar lessons is hardly a unique use of grammar, you learn it in arithmetic, Algebra and geometry. And all of it can be paired with common grammar.

I do not speak any language, nobody does, we all use systems of grammar.
Language is Universal and Intelligible, Grammar is Particular and Perceptible. Now, if you have not figured that out, is it my fault?
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:24 am After reading your last reply to me, Phil, i have to file you away as one of those brainiacs having his own unique (use of) language that nobody else will ever understand and who will therefore have to pass through much of life smart af, frustrated, and alone.
My use of grammar is not unique at all, you will find examples of it in the dialogs of Plato, and they have been around for over 2400 years. So, really lame.
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"Now, if you have not figured that out, is it my fault?"

I suppose not, suh. (accent of a British man being rebuked).
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:42 am "Now, if you have not figured that out, is it my fault?"

I suppose not, suh. (accent of a British man being rebuked).
I have a son, who has been on his own for several years now, he is the same age as one of my grandsons. So, I have lived far from a lonely life.
But you still have given just another lame response.
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