Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?

[Immanuel Can]

Never, ever be sorry. For what?!

Sorry to embarass you by telling you that you're "help" was actually wrong. But if you're not embarassed by that revelation, then I don't have to be sorry about that.

Embarrassment is not a feeling that ever assails me.

You need be sorry about nothing! in my opinion. Hoist the flag of your true self!

My help wrong?! Hardly possible. But go on. I am not closed to hearing more.

No, I need say no more. You were incorrect in your assumption, and the dignified correction has been offered. You can take it or not.

[henry quirk]

From another thread, from not too long ago, on much the same ridiculous subject...

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If you self-identify as a penguin, that's your business. Go be the best penguin you can be. Keep in mind, though: no one else has an obligation to agree with your self-identification.

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Hi, I'm a penguin!

Well you go buddy!

Don't you think I'm a pretty penguin?

Uh, no, I don't.

Why?

Look, you and this penguin stuff, that's your thing, not mine.

You mean you don't think I'm pretty?

I mean you're not a penguin.

But you said I was!

No, I pretty much just gave you a thumbs up on you doin' you...that ain't the same as sayin' I agree with you...cuz I don't.

You're miss-species-ing me! You're a bigot! You're genociding me! You're a Nazi!

Look, guy...

I'm not a guy, I'm a penguin!

...you think you're a penguin and that's fine by me, but that's as far as I'm gonna go with this. I'll never agree that you actually 'are' a penguin. It oughta be enough that I acknowledge you believe you're a penguin...

I don't believe I'm a penguin, I am a penguin!

...and leave you be. That's fair, right?

It's not fair!

Why?

Because you're genociding me!

No, I'm not. I'm leavin' you be to live your life exactly as you like. I simply demand the same from you.

But I can't live my life if you don't acknowledge me as a penguin!

Then you got a problem cuz I ain't doin' that cuz you're not a penguin.

Genocide! Genocide! Genocide!

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I can tolerate craziness, but I won't submit to it.

[Alexis Jacobi]

The people you are in debate with here are all heavily inclined to trust their intutions and to dismiss arguments that don't conform to their existing ideological commitments without really needing logical consistency or any of the other trappings of philosophy. But they aren't exactly three of the best. One wants to convert you to his religion so you can become a trad-wife, one wants to convert you to his white-supremacist race-war cult*, and the other just has a cluster B personality disorder and a chip on her shoulder that could choke a whale.

First, I think it is really a good practice to offer descriptions of what we think of the people (and their ideas) that we encounter here.

But, and this is common, the descriptions we give are usually slanted, prejudiced, and to a greater or lesser degree reflect our projections.

(I am the only one largely free of this tendency and that is why I always crow about being wOnDerfUL — which I really am).

So, yes, in an ultimate sense IC acts like he wants to “save” those who are outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ. He could not nor would not ever deny this (for obvious reasons!). But he also brings a good deal more to the table. (I could nicely enunciate this).

Frankly I do not understand Accelafine. So I only say that she comes across like a hot ball of convoluted anger. However, she does make statements that at times seem worthy. Like that about American radicalism.

But to describe me as — what did you say? — “one (who) wants to convert you to his white-supremacist race-war cult” is really prejudiced and highly inaccurate.

This sort of misstatement is like devious political spin. Unfortunately it is common everywhere.

I believe it is much better to work to describe people fairly. I sense doing this (you doing this) would be next to impossible.

But that right there is an interesting and fair statement about you.

Today I am going to treat myself to a triple banana Sunday! Because I deserve it.

Kilt, worm-drive, roller blades, huge dessert ….

And so it goes!

[Alexis Jacobi]

No, I need say no more. You were incorrect in your assumption, and the dignified correction has been offered. You can take it or not.

I both take it and reject it. I don’t except strict Aristotelean binaries!

Once, when a child, they asked me: “Do you want to travel on the train or to take the boat?” They though this was a non-problematic question!

And I said “I want to take the train and the boat!”

[Immanuel Can]

No, I need say no more. You were incorrect in your assumption, and the dignified correction has been offered. You can take it or not.

I both take it and reject it.

I both don't care, and have said all that's necessary.

[accelafine]

Never, ever be sorry. For what?!

Sorry to embarass you by telling you that you're "help" was actually wrong. But if you're not embarassed by that revelation, then I don't have to be sorry about that.

Embarrassment is not a feeling that ever assails me.

So a psychopath then. I've barely read anything you've ever written but I can see now why no one on here can stand you.

[accelafine]

I have not encountered any people who believe that definition of gender is purely circular "gender is that which one identifies with" - but apparently such people do exist, at least on the Internet. I assumed such people did not exist and it was a straw man argument but I have been assured by people I actually know in person that that is actually a thing. A silly thing but a thing.

I question whether you have done sufficient research to arrive at that conclusion?

The people you are in debate with here are all heavily inclined to trust their intutions and to dismiss arguments that don't conform to their existing ideological commitments without really needing logical consistency or any of the other trappings of philosophy. But they aren't exactly three of the best. One wants to convert you to his religion so you can become a trad-wife, one wants to convert you to his white-supremacist race-war cult*, and the other just has a cluster B personality disorder and a chip on her shoulder that could choke a whale.

So don't be like them. At present you find the notion that gender identity is an internal truth that you know about yourself rather than an external truth that is written about you on your birth certificate to be countertintuitive, but that isn't evidence that it is silly or wrong. You would have to look into the arguments presented that run counter your assumptions and show a flaw in the reasoning of them before you can seriously make that claim.





* so that you can get pregnant every week and churn out white babies

Projecting much. I had to google that. Interesting that you seem to know so much about this 'cluster B' thing. And whales have surprisingly small throats. You can't seem to get it through your thick male head that this is about WOMEN'S safety and rights. What you think is irrelevant, unless you actually want to stand up for women's rights and safety (highly unlikely). Women aren't going to stop. It's irrelevant what goes on in idiot, creepy men's heads, as long as they stay the fuck out of women's spaces and faces and don't try to force us to participate in their little sex games and rabid misogyny.

[Alexis Jacobi]

So a psychopath then. I've barely read anything you've ever written but I can see now why no one on here can stand you.

I’ve done some research in this area. Eighty-one percent of the forum genuinely loves me. There is a 4.5% margin that would like to see me dead and impaled and rotting on a giant stake out in the desert with vultures ready to devour my eyes. The remaining 14.5% don’t give a rat’s ass one way or the other.

:::shrugs:::

I am a realist not an idealist. I simply work with what I am given.

[iambiguous]

But to describe me as — what did you say? — “one (who) wants to convert you to his white-supremacist race-war cult” is really prejudiced and highly inaccurate.

Theoretically, say.

Then the part where I ask him to note, what, if he ever acquired power in an actual community, social, political and economic polices he and Satyr's ilk might enact in regard to people of color, feminists, homosexuals, Jews, liberals, transgenders, etc.

In other words, might they perhaps fall somewhere between, say, Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler?

And it is certainly true that while women can and do dress like men, men dressing like women is still basically taboo. Unless you count...kilts? tunics?

Jesus wore a tunic: https://www.google.com/search?q=jesus+c ... client=img

Reminds me of that line from Hair:

My hair like Jesus wore it
Hallelujah I adore it
Hallelujah Mary loved her son
Why don't my mother love me?

Interestingly enough if you Google "hair song lyrics" right at the top is...The Cowsills! *

They covered the song back then. Now take a wild guess which lyric they left out.



* She added in 1968, “Richard and Bud came to blows.” Richard Cowsill then joined the service and went to Vietnam. He returned from the war “a heroin addict.”


To the best of my recollection, I actually met him at a military unit [Fort Lewis] in Tacoma Washington. It was a camp set up to prepare soldiers for their "tour of duty" in Vietnam.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I try, Carla! I really do try!

[accelafine]

Actually believes he's clever and witty. Sad really

[accelafine]

And why is it that gross entitled men in their fifties can just 'self ID' as a 'wummin' because they say they do, yet children need health destroying puberty blockers and sterilisation to 'affirm their sex ID'? Hmm? Everyone knows this is bat-shit insanity and that there's no possible way to make sense of it (apart from the obvious). Stop letting entitled male perverts brainwash you.

[accelafine]

Perhaps this will go some way to answering your OP question:

''Two men will face each other for a women's championship title at the Ultimate Pool Women's Pro Series Event 2 tonight in Wigan, UK.

Harriet Haynes and Lucy Smith, both men, beat all female competitors to take the spots in the women's final event.''

Men have more strength, longer reach and faster-twitch muscles that make it easier to execute many shots (especially power shots like the break and power draw) with more accuracy, control, and consistency.

'Trans' skateboarder Ricci Tres, 29, claimed first prize in a New York City women's competition this weekend, defeating his 13-year-old and 10-year-old competitors. He is a divorced, ex-Navy father-of-three who was rejected from the women's Olympic qualifiers last year because his testosterone levels were too high (gee, how about rejecting him because he's a MAN, duh!).
Ricci Tres, 29, beat 13-year-old Shiloh Catori to claim first prize at The Boardr street skating contest at the Lower East Side Coleman skatepark in New York City on Saturday, taking home $500.

Although I'm pretty sure you still won't 'get' it. I might need some more 'fentanyl' to cope

[iambiguous]

''Two men will face each other for a women's championship title at the Ultimate Pool Women's Pro Series Event 2 tonight in Wigan, UK.

Harriet Haynes and Lucy Smith, both men, beat all female competitors to take the spots in the women's final event.''

Men have more strength, longer reach and faster-twitch muscles that make it easier to execute many shots (especially power shots like the break and power draw) with more accuracy, control, and consistency.

On the other hand, the arguments here -- https://amanialimsw.medium.com/damaging ... 0edfc08598 -- remind us of just how problematic reactions to things like this can be.

"Here and now" I personally believe that, in regard to other sports like soccer and football and basketball and baseball and ice hockey, it's just not reasonable for cis men turned women to compete against cis women.

Still, there are those able to at least provide arguments to challenge this:

https://dividedwefall.org/transgender-a ... gIN9vD_BwE

[accelafine]

If you think it's ok for grown men to 'compete' with and play with ten year old girls in sports then argue it yourself instead of hiding behind stupid links written by agenda-driven, illiterate American 'academics'. Talk about insane, vomit-inducing excrement. One of them isn't even aware of the word 'fewer' while the other doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word 'excluded'. No one is trying to 'exclude' men from sport--only from women's sport. Is that clear enough for you?

The fact that you use the pathetic and extremely offensive 'cis' slur says everything anyone needs to know about you (as if they didn't already). Kindly shove that American bs in the furthest orifice from the walnut rattling around in your skull. Now go back to hijacking and wrecking other people's threads with your narcissistic garbage.

ps. Men can't turn into women.