New paradox - escape room paradox

[Age]

You seek to transcend truth, when you are not even capable of comprehending or being true to begin with, That is called escapism. If you cannot deal with objective reality, you are simply lost in your own delusions and will spout any bull shit to defend it.

Reality is richer than any artificial semantics, why do you want to be so limited in your little world?
And yes, in science we end with definitions, not start with them.

I like your little smilies, what are you 5, you sure talk like it, you cannot reason your way out of a freaking paper bag.

Would a Truly MATURE adult human being just say and write what you just did, here, "phil8659"?

[Atla]

The fourth thought follows from the third. Since he admits in the room that he is doing the right thing in the future with such unconscious behavior, why can't he throw out all his thoughts after leaving the room and just stupidly go back in, throw out his rationality? Wouldn't that be rational?

Oh you mean that he will remember that he chose to drug himself to automatically go back, but he won't remember why? What exactly will he remember about the drugging, after he leaves the room?

Looking at Phil, I have doubts

Hehe I meant that we have a guy here called Veritas Aequitas, he's pretty crazy too.

[Atla]

Information parsing is based on a simple fact, we can parse a thing, setting it as a unit, or we can parse things putting them into a group. Without these two concepts at the foundation of information processing, we would not have the ability to parse information at all, destroying, as noted by Plato, Aristotle, and any other intelligent philosophy, we simply could not think, or even speak. This is a binary distinction.

Groups are an additional abstraction layer. When we introduce groups, then the unit is simply a group of one. There is no actual binary distinction here, there are one vs two layers of abstractions, and one thing vs multiple things. You conflate these and create some kind of false dichotomy. You aren't very good at this.

Oh! look, a boundary has suddenly appeared in Harry Potter's Universe. We can now multiply, without limits!,
Wow, is that like memory foam?

What boundary?

[Seeker of Veritas]

The fourth thought follows from the third. Since he admits in the room that he is doing the right thing in the future with such unconscious behavior, why can't he throw out all his thoughts after leaving the room and just stupidly go back in, throw out his rationality? Wouldn't that be rational?

Oh you mean that he will remember that he chose to drug himself to automatically go back, but he won't remember why? What exactly will he remember about the drugging, after he leaves the room?

He will remember everything

[Flannel Jesus]

This is not a very good paradox.

[Atla]

The fourth thought follows from the third. Since he admits in the room that he is doing the right thing in the future with such unconscious behavior, why can't he throw out all his thoughts after leaving the room and just stupidly go back in, throw out his rationality? Wouldn't that be rational?

Oh you mean that he will remember that he chose to drug himself to automatically go back, but he won't remember why? What exactly will he remember about the drugging, after he leaves the room?

He will remember everything

I don't understand where the paradox is. Without drugs he won't go back due to his risk aversion. That's the rational choice. Drugging himself is also the rational choice. And if he drugs himself and the drugs wear off before he can go back, then he will go back anyway, because he'll remember why he drugged himself, that was the rational choice.

[Seeker of Veritas]

And if he drugs himself and the drugs wear off before he can go back, then he will go back anyway, because he'll remember why he drugged himself, that was the rational choice.

No, because he could have left the orange room. He would have been changed so that he would have left the green room, having drugged himself there.

[Atla]

And if he drugs himself and the drugs wear off before he can go back, then he will go back anyway, because he'll remember why he drugged himself, that was the rational choice.

No, because he could have left the orange room. He would have been changed so that he would have left the green room, having drugged himself there.

But he wouldn't have drugged himself in the orange room, he knows this about himself, no?

[Seeker of Veritas]

And if he drugs himself and the drugs wear off before he can go back, then he will go back anyway, because he'll remember why he drugged himself, that was the rational choice.

No, because he could have left the orange room. He would have been changed so that he would have left the green room, having drugged himself there.

But he wouldn't have drugged himself in the orange room, he knows this about himself, no?

Yes, but that doesn't prove that he didn't leave the orange room, because he could have been drugged and his memory altered, as if he had drugged himself.

[Atla]

No, because he could have left the orange room. He would have been changed so that he would have left the green room, having drugged himself there.

But he wouldn't have drugged himself in the orange room, he knows this about himself, no?

Yes, but that doesn't prove that he didn't leave the orange room, because he could have been drugged and his memory altered, as if he had drugged himself.

You said he remembers everything about the drugging, now you say those memories can be altered too. So "everything" can mean fake memories. In that case he won't go back due to his risk aversion.

[Seeker of Veritas]

You said he remembers everything about the drugging, now you say those memories can be altered too.

There is no contradiction here, if he came out of the green room, then so it will be

So "everything" can mean fake memories. In that case he won't go back due to his risk aversion.

Why shouldn't he just ignore his risk and stupidly return to the room as if he was drugged? After all, with drugs it was rational, and it turns out that behaving irrationally is rational.

[Atla]

Why shouldn't he just ignore his risk and stupidly return to the room as if he was drugged? After all, with drugs it was rational, and it turns out that behaving irrationally is rational.

You said that his memories about the drugging could be fake as well so he can't tell whether or not the drugging was rational (or if it was even him who did the drugging).

[Seeker of Veritas]

Why shouldn't he just ignore his risk and stupidly return to the room as if he was drugged? After all, with drugs it was rational, and it turns out that behaving irrationally is rational.

You said that his memories about the drugging could be fake as well so he can't tell whether or not the drugging was rational (or if it was even him who did the drugging).

True, this decision is only rational when he is in the green room. What prevents him from deciding in the green room that he should act as if he is drugged? That is, not being rational when he leaves the room.

[Atla]

Why shouldn't he just ignore his risk and stupidly return to the room as if he was drugged? After all, with drugs it was rational, and it turns out that behaving irrationally is rational.

You said that his memories about the drugging could be fake as well so he can't tell whether or not the drugging was rational (or if it was even him who did the drugging).

True, this decision is only rational when he is in the green room. What prevents him from deciding in the green room that he should act as if he is drugged? That is, not being rational when he leaves the room.

I give up, I really don't know what the point is. Outside the room he can't trust his memories no matter what they are, so he won't go back due to his risk aversion. He can't trust memories in which he was deliberately rational or deliberately irrational or whatever either.

[Seeker of Veritas]

I give up, I really don't know what the point is. Outside the room he can't trust his memories no matter what they are, so he won't go back due to his risk aversion. He can't trust memories in which he was deliberately rational or deliberately irrational or whatever either.

Yes, he also cannot trust his drugged behavior, which against his will leads him back to the room, but it will definitely drag him to the green room, because he is in the green room by the condition. So what prevents him from not pumping himself with drugs, but hypnotizing himself, or firmly deciding to return no matter what?