Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?

[carlafeit]

Where do you get your 'stats' from? I've been around a lot longer than you and I've never seen a man in a frock get his head bashed in. Perhaps you move in seedy circles. Besides, it's only one man bashing in another man's head. What's it to you? The man in the frock might be twice as strong as the one who isn't.

I mentioned no stats.

But I do occasionally visit an establishment where the clientele will often wear clothing that does not fit their apparent gender.

Its located in a shitty part of the city with low rent - and dress-wearing guys will try to park as close as possible to that establishment - or walk in a group - for safety reasons.

This, from everything I have heard and seen - is by no means rare. I do not now enough to say just how frequent or not frequent it is - I suppose it depends where you are.

[Age]

So I am a girl and I have a number three brush cut and dress like a guy.

1. What is a 'number three brush cut', EXACTLY?

2. What does the 'girl' word mean, and/or refer to, EXACTLY, besides of course the genitals on the human body only?

3. How do 'guys' dress, EXACTLY?

This sometimes confuses people who are not sure if I am a guy or a girl, and sometimes they act weird about it, and say I would like a lot prettier with longer hair and so forth.

Do you think or believe that you would look 'uglier' with longer hair?

But guys who have long hair and dress like girls get serious hate

Why do you give serious hate to those human beings, EXACTLY?

And, what do 'girls' dress like, EXACTLY?

- i.e. the kind of hate that can get your face stomped on late at night (or even not so late) if you are not careful.

But, why not in the daytime?

Why is this?

FOR the EXACT SAME REASON WHY you HAVE 'hate'.

Now, WHY do you have 'hate' FOR, EXACTLY?

ANSWER and CLARIFY 'this' properly, and Correctly, then you WILL HAVE the ANSWER TO your QUESTION, here.

[Age]

WTF are you even on about? If you think AGPs who don womanface to publicly display their sexual fetish and force others to participate in it is the same as a woman who happens to have short hair then you need your head read and to stop being such a pathetic handmaiden to perverts.

ONCE AGAIN, it is OTHERS who so-call 'NEED their heads read', while "accelafine" NEVER EVER DOES.

[Age]

WTF are you even on about? If you think AGPs who don womanface to publicly display their sexual fetish and force others to participate in it is the same as a woman who happens to have short hair then you need your head read and to stop being such a pathetic handmaiden to perverts.

I read your reply several times and it literally makes no sense other than to show that you are angry about something.

And that 'something' IS, 'men', "americans", who it classes and calls 'woke', AND human beings who do NOT speak and write in the EXACTLY SAME language AND way that "accelafine" does.

These are the things that "accelafine" appears to be most angry about, in Life.

[Age]

being a target of affection from one who you find undesirable is often too much for some to handle...

Wut?

A guy dressed like a girl can get attacked by a rando just walking down the street.

So can women, handmaiden, and it doesn't make any difference 'what' they are wearing. Women get attacked by MEN all the time, including MEN who wear dresses. Which rock have you been living under?

AGAIN, LOL 'all the time'.

I wonder in 'this one's OWN LITTLE world if 'men' EVER get attacked by 'women', like "itself", for example?

[Age]

Note that the writer of the OP has no counterarguments whatsoever except that I'm 'triggered'. Oooh. How very cool

Counter argument AGAINST 'what', EXACTLY?

[popeye1945]

Carlafeit,

Perhaps it would help us all out in this thread, if you outlined your vision of just how society should be. You might be surprised at the number of people with similar views, perhaps not, but we might get some clarification. Are you up to the task?

Lol. Less than two years ago I ran away from home (which was part of a fundamentalist Christian cult) as an 18th birthday gift to myself.

For about a year I have been working at a farm supply store on the other end of the country - because I need a job to survive and I know my farming and the Bible and I have half-decent people skills - all parts of my upbringing - and I do not want to work at a Christian book shop.

So I hope you have it in you to not be too harsh on me for not having come up with much in the way of detailed ideas of how society should be.

I mean, I think beating someone up because they are a guy dressed as a girl is a terrible reason for beating someone up. I would like to see a society where this doesn't happen. I mean, this should not happen even if the guy looks utterly ridiculous in a dress. Heck, not all girls look good in a dress - you need the right body type.

Also, I would like to see a society where fewer people believe that people from Haiti steal dogs and cats and eat them - the fact that half of my fellow citizens literally believe this scares me. More generally I would like to see more people in our society being able to recognize such claims for the horseshit that they obviously are.

Carla,
I sympathize with your wish for a better world, or that human nature was better. The world we have, however, is the one we must live in and deal with. In some places in the world, cats and dogs are eaten. In Asia, it is quite common. Not everyone has the same sensitivities, some countries believe that eating meat is barbaric. I am sorry to hear you felt it necessary to leave home, that the environment was too restricted, which took some courage. So, you're a bit of a brave heart, you have a long journey before you, follow your heart, it's a brave one. Welcome to the forum.

[carlafeit]

I sympathize with your wish for a better world, or that human nature was better. The world we have, however, is the one we must live in and deal with. In some places in the world, cats and dogs are eaten. In Asia, it is quite common. Not everyone has the same sensitivities, some countries believe that eating meat is barbaric. I am sorry to hear you felt it necessary to leave home, that the environment was too restricted, which took some courage. So, you're a bit of a brave heart, you have a long journey before you, follow your heart, it's a brave one. Welcome to the forum.

I know there are places in the world where cats and dogs are eaten.

That does not mean that people from those places are particularly prone to stealing other peoples' pets - just like Americans visiting India do not steal and eat cows, whatever they might personally think of the whole sacred cow thing.

I am not especially brave, I just did not want to get married at 18 and start pumping out babies. I also think I would be terrible at the obedient God-fearing wife thing.

[carlafeit]

So I am a girl and I have a number three brush cut and dress like a guy.

1. What is a 'number three brush cut', EXACTLY?

That is the only one of your questions to which an exact answer is possible.

#3 brush cut is a haircut approximately 3/8 of an inch long. OK, that is not very exact, but that is about as exact as such things get.

2. What does the 'girl' word mean, and/or refer to, EXACTLY, besides of course the genitals on the human body only?

I don't think there is an exact definition. But if someone says "Looks at that girl over there" its usually not too difficult to identity the girl as opposed to the guys over there.

3. How do 'guys' dress, EXACTLY?

Not like that:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/750271619200109151/

Do you think or believe that you would look 'uglier' with longer hair?

No, long hair just requires too much maintenance.

But, why not in the daytime?

It seems there is a lot more anti-social behavior at night, I am not sure why.

I guess people are more likely to be drunk and not at work at night is part of it.

[Age]

It is a legitimate question; this is perhaps my own disturbed take on it. I have always believed in the fact that biology does not follow fashion, meaning the political fashion of the moment, or times. Biological behaviors, however, do tend to be modified to suit a given cultural context. Women in primary cultures are considered to be fulfilled; to be adequate to their role in society with their first menstruation, women are complete as women the bearers of life. Men however are barren, their function in life must be learned, and they are initiated into the adult men's group to learn the role they must fulfill, if they refuse or fail it might mean their demise. From time immemorial this has been the reality. Women are held to standards of faithfulness, childcare, and keeping the home fires burning but little else. The social order has traditionally been the male function with the added responsibilities of providing and protecting the female and child, a man in these times could not be seen as foolish or irresponsible, his character must be strong if he is to be considered a man that can fulfill his responsibilities. What I am trying to say here is women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts. If a man is not able to fulfill his duties to women and children or society as a whole, he is expendable. Both the women and the society know this. These behavior patterns are as old as the history of the human organism and imprinted through the eons of time. The spirit of the times however strays far from this imprinting at times, and when the imprinted ancient behaviors surface, they are not often recognized for what they are, the nature of the human condition through the eons. politically incorrect perhaps but true to its human nature. Man cannot be seen as silly and/or weak this is not what women want or society at large.

your personal shallow and narrow views, here, are not the nature of the human condition through the eons, 'now', 'before', nor 'after', at all.

[Age]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

"Where? Certainly not in traditional societies." {/quote]

Modern day society women pretty much do as they please, including creating chaos with rat shit crazy theories of unlimited genders, you are what you identify as. Have you been to the beach lately? The average women wear G-strings on the beach. There is no respect for the relation between the sexes. The beach today is a prime example of the opposite pole of Muslim absurdity, women confined to black bags, both are absurd, offensive, and disrespectful.

"I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional."

There is nothing fundamental about a cult; a cult is an anomaly. Cults make their own rules that are rarely in sync with the greater population, which defines them as cults.

"But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics."

The world makes sense through order and patterns, and yes, patterns of behaviours. [/quote]

Where are you getting these really strange views and beliefs from, EXACTLY?

Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work. So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads, this used to be considered bordering insanity. The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family, which they have been very effective at, yet not a complete success. What it replaces this with is chaos. One should think before they destroy order, for the one thing about chaos is that it is unpredictable, even to the destroyer.

[Age]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would.

What do you mean by, you 'suppose you would'?

Some people really do have the narrowest of views and perspectives.

I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

[Age]

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

you could not come across more CLOSED, here, "popeye1945".

[Age]

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

So there are women who can look a lot like men but not men who can look a lot like women? It seems like it could be argued that it is unfair or a double standard. Or should there be a kind of unisex standard for non-traditional men and women? Sometimes that seems to be the case.

Or are you simply suggesting that there should always be some kind of clear indicator of a person's gender? I think that would be a good idea. I mean, who wants to date someone and then find out one fateful evening that they're not the gender you thought they were? Or have someone in the ladies' room who doesn't belong there.

Define 'lady', and then define 'ladies room'.

[Age]

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish.

Why do you, INSTANTLY, PRESUME that a male wearing a dress is a male's sexual fetish?

'These people', here, really are so NARROWED, and CLOSED as well.

Most women wear neutral clothes most of the time.

you asked someone, here, 'What are 'girly' clothes?' But, now you claim that there are so-called 'neutral clothes', so what are 'neutral clothes', EXACTLY?

'Interesting' that male fetishists choose to wear the stereotypical 'female clothes' don't you think?

Do you find it 'interesting' that female fetishists choose to wear the stereotypical 'male clothes', as well?

Or, do you NOT JUMP TO 'that PRESUMPTION' so QUICKLY, and SO SIMPLY and EASILY?

If they actually believe they are women then WTF does it matter what they wear? A woman is a woman no matter what she wears.

But, 'men' are NOT 'men' when they wear what they wear, right "accelafine"?

'This one' could not present having a MORE "one sided" view and perspective, here.