Muhammad's confession to being a False Prophet

[attofishpi]

You believe that, but why should anybody else ?

RE: Most world religions were formed from a basis where humans had divine interaction and then developed religions within their cultures based on there experiences

Anyone that believes there is a GOD should be open to comprehend that. It is the more reasonable stance, don't you think?

Obviously if I thought it was the more reasonable stance I would brought it. I don't.

I consider you a reasonable person upon this forum thus am surprised at that. I'll explain from my perspective in having gnosis, that GOD exists as an intelligence behind the construct to all our shared perceivable reality.

Why should I as a Christian, a simple man that has reasons to believe in a GOD, think that this GOD that permeates all reality would not interact with others, in alternate ways to suit those within their distinct cultures?

It makes more sense, that GOD would adapt its interactions with some humans (some twats call them prophets) through time, thus forming variations on interpretations of this..most likely, a DIVINE being.

Of course, as a Christian I believe in what Christ stated that to know GOD is via faith in Him. And alas, yes I doooooo know GOD rather well. Both sides of "his" coin.

I also don't see how a Christian would believe it. So god is real, and god is the Christian god, and Hindus had a divine interaction with god they led to the Hindu religion, instead of god having some interaction that would lead them towards Judaism or, eventually, Christianity?

Do you not find it reasonable that at least, IF GOD exists, then it would not necessarily isolate its interaction with humans within any particular culture?

Just because various religions exist, does not mean that whatever caused their existence (individual religion) was not via humans within woteva culture having experienced interactions with this being, this intelligence that most theists refer to as GOD.

So god doesn't really care if they're Christian or not? Does god not actually care what they believe?

Honestly I don't get this world view. It doesn't seem reasonable at all.

Really? You infer from consideration that GOD may have interacted with humans across the globe and caused various religions to be based upon those that have shared their experiences of interaction with this entity, throughout time that GOD doesn't care?

Through each incarnation of their reincarnated soul that they are not drawn to know Him? I can explain how karmic reincarnation was confirmed to me via the sage in Nov 2005, in fact I was working earlier on this precise subject in my, "GOD according to Androcies" - a document I will publish on my website: www.androcies.com later in the year.

NOTE THIS: Just because fallible man has formed various religions based on some humans that have interacted with GOD within each culture, DOES NOT change the state or nature of GOD. It's all the same GOD, when one truly comprehends it.

[Flannel Jesus]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

[attofishpi]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

[Flannel Jesus]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

Who the hell said any of that shit? Not me. I don't think you're being remotely reasonable in any of this.

[attofishpi]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

Who the hell said any of that shit? Not me. I don't think you're being remotely reasonable in any of this.

Oh, really. What I just posted is my reasoning that you were questioning summed up in one frickin sentence. So work with that or F off. I've got better things to do that deal with another faithless twat on a thing called the internet. (*i call U a twat since how disrespectful u r of Christ, but i digress)

[Flannel Jesus]

Lol you have the reasoning capacity of a child. And the temperament of one.

[attofishpi]

..funny thing about that, is I know U know that you are being irrational about our conversation and now condescending.

[Flannel Jesus]

All I asked you to do was show why anyone else should believe what you said, and all you could say was "it's reasonable it's reasonable it's reasonable" over and over again.

[attofishpi]

All I asked you to do was show why anyone else should believe what you said, and all you could say was "it's reasonable it's reasonable it's reasonable" over and over again.

I don't care what others believe.

I stated my reasoning as to WHY people should believe that GOD would likely form various religions based upon interactions with humans within each culture as reasonable. <-- that is the reason they should believe in my statement OK


SUMMED UP HERE: From understanding GOD exists it is reasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions ....as to Y anyone should believe in my reasoning pertains to BEING REASONABLE.

[Age]

RE: Most world religions were formed from a basis where humans had divine interaction and then developed religions within their cultures based on there experiences

Anyone that believes there is a GOD should be open to comprehend that. It is the more reasonable stance, don't you think?

Obviously if I thought it was the more reasonable stance I would brought it. I don't.

I consider you a reasonable person upon this forum thus am surprised at that. I'll explain from my perspective in having gnosis, that GOD exists as an intelligence behind the construct to all our shared perceivable reality.

What even is your human being ALL 'shared perceivable reality', EXACTLY? Obviously, some's perceived reality is there is A God while to other's perceived reality there is NO God. Therefore, there is NO 'shared perceived reality' TO ALL, here.

Why should I as a Christian, a simple man that has reasons to believe in a GOD, think that this GOD that permeates all reality would not interact with others, in alternate ways to suit those within their distinct cultures?

1. you "attofishpi" just CLAIMING that you are A "christian" certainly does NOT make 'you' A "christian". What even is A "christian", EXACTLY, anyway? WHY is your own VERSION OF A "christian" DIFFERENT FROM other's VERSION OF A "christian"? And, WHY do you BELIEVE that your VERSION is the TRUE and RIGHT VERSION?

2. To think or BELIEVE that the EXACT SAME One God WOULD interact with you human beings IN ALTERNATE WAYS, if not borders ON INSANITY, IS INSANITY.

There IS ONLY One God, ONLY, and It certainly does NOT interact with you human beings IN ALTERNATE WAYS.

That you, individual, human beings have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ALTERNATE VIEWS and BELIEFS, BECAUSE OF your DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT cultures IS ONE thing, but 'TRYING TO' CLAIM what you are, here, IS ABSURD, to say the least.

The WAY that 'I' INTERACT WITH ALL OF 'you', human beings, is IN, and WITH, Truth. Now, OF COURSE, you human beings HAVE and USE DIFFERENT languages, which is HOW 'you' COMMUNICATE WITH 'each other'. 'I', therefore, HAVE TO BE on a CONTINUAL PATH OF LEARNING HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH EACH and EVERY one of you human beings. But there is ONLY One WAY I INTERACT WITH you ALL, and that is THROUGH and WITH the Truly OPEN and CURIOUS Mind, ONLY.

AGAIN, 'I' just WAIT, PATIENTLY, FOR those who just WANT TO INTERACT the SAME WAY, while seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER.

It makes more sense, that GOD would adapt its interactions with some humans (some twats call them prophets) through time, thus forming variations on interpretations of this..most likely, a DIVINE being.

'This' does NOT make sense, in 'the way' that you are LOOKING AT and SEEING things, here.

God SPEAKS TO, and INTERACTS WITH, EVERY one of you human beings IN the EXACT SAME WAY. It is just that SOME of you are MORE OPEN and Honest, and so are ABLE TO HEAR, and thus LISTEN, BETTER.

Of course, as a Christian I believe in what Christ stated that to know GOD is via faith in Him. And alas, yes I doooooo know GOD rather well. Both sides of "his" coin.

LOL Talk about PRESENTING ANOTHER PRIME example of one who has been ABSOLUTELY INDOCTRINATED INTO and BY 'the cult/ure' that it was born IN TO and brought UP IN. Also, if "jesus" said some thing about, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me', then why do you NOT BELIEVE IN and FOLLOW what "christ" stated, here?

'Faith' ALONE OBVIOUSLY does NOT bring ANY thing ABOUT. But, HAVING 'FAITH' while WAITING, PATIENTLY, until 'you' ALSO 'COME-TO' (KNOW) God, (the Father), THROUGH and WITH the 'second coming of me', "jesus christ", DOES HELP some, IN SOME WAYS.

I also don't see how a Christian would believe it. So god is real, and god is the Christian god, and Hindus had a divine interaction with god they led to the Hindu religion, instead of god having some interaction that would lead them towards Judaism or, eventually, Christianity?

Do you not find it reasonable that at least, IF GOD exists, then it would not necessarily isolate its interaction with humans within any particular culture?

What happened to YOUR 'faith', here?

What do you MEAN BY, 'IF God exists?'

And, NO God does NOT 'isolate Its interactions' WITH ANY one. Now, AGAIN, you human beings HAVE and USE DIFFERENT language, which ALL OF are ALSO in a constant state of EVOLVING, and thus ALSO ALWAYS CHANGING. So, God is ALSO ALWAYS CONTINUALLY LEARNING HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH you human beings BETTER. BUT, and AGAIN, the INTERACTION IS ALWAYS IN the EXACT SAME WAY. That is; AGAIN, THROUGH the ALWAYS Truly OPEN, Honest, and CURIOS Mind.

Just because various religions exist, does not mean that whatever caused their existence (individual religion) was not via humans within woteva culture having experienced interactions with this being, this intelligence that most theists refer to as GOD.

If there are MORE "muslims" in the world than say "christians", then most "theists" refer to 'It' as Allah, and NOT God.

WITHIN the heart or center of EVERY 'theological religion' the EXACT SAME 'Thing' EXISTS, (whatever ANY one wants to call 'It/Me/I'), and ALL WITH the UNDER-LYING MESSAGE, TO BE UNDER-STOOD, LOVE, PEACE, and HARMONY, FOR ALL, as One.

HOW 'I' INTERACT WITH 'you' ALL, IS IN the EXACT SAME WAY. However, HOW 'you' ALL INTERPRET ANY and EVERY thing CAN BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. But, this is just because of the ALWAYS EVOLVING DIFFERENT languages that you ALL HAVE, and USE.

Even those of 'you' who were brought up and/or raised with more or less the EXACT SAME 'language' at times, and even at a lot of times, do NOT UNDERSTAND each other just for the VERY SIMPLE Fact single words can have VERY DIFFERENT and even OPPOSING DEFINITIONS.

So god doesn't really care if they're Christian or not? Does god not actually care what they believe?

Honestly I don't get this world view. It doesn't seem reasonable at all.

Really? You infer from consideration that GOD may have interacted with humans across the globe and caused various religions to be based upon those that have shared their experiences of interaction with this entity, throughout time that GOD doesn't care?

Through each incarnation of their reincarnated soul that they are not drawn to know Him? I can explain how karmic reincarnation was confirmed to me via the sage in Nov 2005, in fact I was working earlier on this precise subject in my, "GOD according to Androcies" - a document I will publish on my website: www.androcies.com later in the year.

Firstly, you were just ASKED TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. So, WHY did you NOT just ANSWER 'them'?

Now, God does NOT care ONE IOTA what 'you' human beings call, name, nor label "yourselves". God KNOWS that there is NO such ACTUAL 'thing' as A "christian". What God ALSO KNOWS is that there are just 'you', human beings, and that there are 'invisible thoughts', WITHIN the 'visible human bodies' , with a MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT views, ideas, beliefs, assumptions, and opinions.

And, as for God not actually caring, or not, what you human beings BELIEVE, then God does ACTUALLY CARE when you adult human beings do HAVE BELIEFS ABOUT, or LEAD TO, the ABUSE of ANY thing. However, God ALSO KNOWS that you ALL are ABSOLUTELY FREE TO think and/or BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY ANY thing that you WANT TO.

Now, God ONLY INSTRUCTS, or GUIDES and TEACHES. God NEVER EVER FORCES ANY thing. While some of you LISTEN, LOOK, HEAR, and SEE MORE than others DO, ALL of your 'past experiences' AFFECT 'the way' that you LOOK, LISTEN, SEE, and HEAR. Which IS EXACTLY WHY there are SO MANY INTERPRETATIONS and MISINTERPRETATIONS, in Life.

Now that "flannel jesus's" CLARIFYING QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, and CLARIFIED, back to "attofishpi's" CLAIM ABOUT individual people or individual souls being RE-INCARNATED. 'This' IS JUST ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY False CLAIM based upon NOTHING MORE than A Wrong INTERPRETATION, which has come from NOTHING MORE than "attofishpi's" OWN 'past experiences'.

Individual people do NOT 'come back'. 'They' REMAIN, HERE, in THIS One and ONLY PLACE, called the Universe.

NOTE THIS: Just because fallible man has formed various religions based on some humans that have interacted with GOD within each culture, DOES NOT change the state or nature of GOD. It's all the same GOD, when one truly comprehends it.

WHY do you KEEP BELIEVING that ONLY 'some' of you human beings have INTERACTED WITH God?

Does this BELIEF MAKE you feel MORE SUPERIOR, in some way, as you, LAUGHINGLY, BELIEVE that 'you' are ONE OF 'those'?

For your IN-FORM-ATION "attofishpi" EVERY human being HAS INTERACTED WITH God, and EQUALLY SO. SOME are just MORE OPEN and MORE Honest and so HEAR, and SEE, and thus UNDERSTAND, MORE.

SEE, if you REALLY DO WANT TO KNOW THE ACTUAL Truth, THEN EVERY NEW BORN human being SEES and HEARS God, ABSOLUTELY, IN Its ONLY PUREST, UNFILTERED and NON DISTORTED, FORM. Younger children ALSO INTERACT WITH, SEE and HEAR, God, literally, IN AN 'UN-ADULT-ERED' FORM. When you older human beings, however, LOOK AT and SEE 'things' FROM your 'past experiences', instead of FROM the Truly OPEN and Honest, perspective, then this is WHEN and WHY you ALL HAVE Wrong or MIS/SED INTERPRETATIONS, and thus WHY you have DISTORTED or ADULT-ERED VIEWS, and PERSPECTIVES. Just like 'you' and EVERY other 'adult' are PRESENTING MANY examples OF, here, in this forum.

[Age]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

ONCE AGAIN, you just CLAIMING that 'God exists' NEVER MAKES NOR MEANS that God ACTUALLY EXISTS. WHY is 'this' SO HARD FOR you TO COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND?

What you are 'TRYING TO' CLAIM, here, IS, If some one just SAID and/or CLAIMED,

'From understanding that God does NOT exist',

Then 'this' would SUFFICE as being ENOUGH 'evidence' FOR others TO AGREE WITH and ACCEPT.

ONCE MORE, just because you CLAIM to 'understand', and/or to have 'gnosis', that 'God exists'. NEVER MEANS that God ACTUALLY EXISTS.

If you REALLY WANT TO come to a 'philosophy forum' and CLAIM, 'God exists', then JUST PROVIDE the IRREFUTABLE PROOF FOR your CLAIM. It does NOT get ANY SIMPLER and EASIER than this.

Also, you MAKING STATEMENTS but PUTTING QUESTION MARKS at the end of your CLAIMS and/or STATEMENTS is NOT HELPING you, here.

[Age]

It doesn't really sound like you've given any solid reason to believe your take. You said most religions were formed from Divine interaction, the best argument you've given for that so far is "because it's reasonable". Just declaring that something is reasonable isn't reasoning.

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

Who the hell said any of that shit? Not me. I don't think you're being remotely reasonable in any of this.

Quite often "attofishpi" does NOT SEE and does NOT HEAR what is ACTUALLY BEING WRITTEN, and SAID, here.

[Age]

From understanding GOD exists you think it unreasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions?

FFS.

Who the hell said any of that shit? Not me. I don't think you're being remotely reasonable in any of this.

Oh, really. What I just posted is my reasoning that you were questioning summed up in one frickin sentence.

AGAIN, you did NOT HEAR and SEE what was ACTUALLY SAID, and WRITTEN.

So work with that or F off.

On just about EVERY occasion 'you' TELL 'the other' TO 'fuck off' is WHEN it IS 'you' who is NOT UNDERSTANDING what IS ACTUALLY BEING SAID and POINTED OUT, TO 'you'.

I've got better things to do that deal with another faithless twat on a thing called the internet.

your ATTITUDE WHEN another just does NOT AGREE WITH you and/or just does NOT DO and/or FOLLOW what you EXPECT them TO DO and FOLLOW is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE what "jesus christ" would have been LIKE.

So, WHY, EXACTLY, do you BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'you' are not just A "christian" but A "good christian", at that?

(*i call U a twat since how disrespectful u r of Christ, but i digress)

YET it IS 'you' "attofishpi" who is 'the one' 'carrying on', here, in the MOST NON "christ"-like WAY.

[Age]

..funny thing about that, is I know U know that you are being irrational about our conversation and now condescending.

LOOK "attofishpi" 'we' ALL KNOW the ACTUAL Truth, here. That is; you HATE "islam", "muslims", and 'their ways'. Now, 'you' came, here, 'TRYING TO' DISCREDIT "muhammad", and thus "islam", so as to make "jesus", and "christianity", appear better or more superior. Which, OBVIOUSLY, 'they' are NOT.

you are FAILING TO PROVE your BELIEF, here, TRUE, and 'this' has OBVIOUSLY affected 'you'. As can be CLEARLY SEEN in 'your temperament', here, now.

So, 'this' brings 'us' BACK TO what 'I' SAID and ASKED 'you' BEFORE:

What WILL be FOUND, here, is that NO one COULD and WILL AGREE WITH you, ONCE AGAIN.

So, WHY do SO MANY OF 'us', here, NOT SEE 'the Truth' that you DO?

What do you think 'it' is, EXACTLY, that is causing 'us' TO NOT SEE what 'you' DO?

[Age]

All I asked you to do was show why anyone else should believe what you said, and all you could say was "it's reasonable it's reasonable it's reasonable" over and over again.

I don't care what others believe.

AND, NO one cares if you do or do not care what others believe.

you came, here, 'TRYING TO' CLAIM some thing IS TRUE. And, you just ASKED, 'To SHOW WHY ANY one ELSE should or would BELIEVE what you SAID and CLAIMED, here'.

If you can NOT just do 'this', then, AGAIN, I will suggest that BEFORE you human beings come into a 'philosophy forum', of ALL places, and want to CLAIM ANY thing, then it will be BEST, FOR you, to have ACTUAL PROOF, BEFORE HAND, which WILL back up and support your VIEW, BELIEF, and/or CLAIM, IRREFUTABLY.

I stated my reasoning as to WHY people should believe that GOD would likely form various religions based upon interactions with humans within each culture as reasonable. <-- that is the reason they should believe in my statement OK

Even 'this' is NONSENSICAL, AND IRRATIONAL.

Even your USE of the words, 'would likely ...', SHOWS that even 'you' do NOT BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, what you are EXPECTING others, here, TO BELIEVE FULLY, and ABSOLUTELY.

SUMMED UP HERE: From understanding GOD exists it is reasonable that GOD would interact with humans across the globe thus forming various religions ....as to Y anyone should believe in my reasoning pertains to BEING REASONABLE.

Some people REALLY DID FORGET that 'this' IS A 'philosophy forum'.