DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America

[attofishpi]

Yes, GOD works in mysterious ways, making one mad for a day...you'll soon reach for something stronger than wine.

..the synaptic access this intelligence (GOD) has needs to be comprehended, operating from below the Planck scale, to understand how intense a Day of Reckoning can be..

DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y?

www.androcies.com

[Atla]

You're not a demi-god and you're clearly not gaining any ground. You are descending into psychosis. You're just coming across more and more like Age.

Wait, no?! Can it be?! It can’t be! No, no, I am certain I am a demigod but to be fair just a rather run-if-the-mill variety and yet because I know this, humble.

You are trying to trip me up and I assure you it won’t work!

Ok fine, yes you are a demigod.

[Age]

I am glad that I was able to clear up the misunderstanding.

Why, I ask, did you misunderstand what I wrote previously?

Actually you're a Dunning-Kruger descending into psychosis.

It is more accurate to realize that I am an innocently inexperienced demi-god who nonetheless is rapidly gaining ground …

Can we at least agree on this?!

Almost everyone sees the crisis, it has been building up for decades.

Oh? And what is the nature of the crisis? Why is it happening?

You're not a demi-god and you're clearly not gaining any ground. You are descending into psychosis. You're just coming across more and more like Age.

Which MEANS 'what', EXACTLY, "atla"?

Les 'us' SEE IF 'this time' 'this one' IS CAPABLE OF PROVIDING ANY thing MORE than CLAIMS and ACCUSATIONS, ONLY.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Ok fine, yes you are a demigod.

I am glad that you finally came around!

[phyllo]

But then, when it comes to the discussion, you psychoanalyze the posters, you lose interest or you repeat what you have already said.

I think I do a few things all at once.

What interests me as much, let’s say, as the ideas is in fact the psychological aspect to the immense divisions that are playing out today. We are not approaching a war, we are in a war. And in my view everyone responds as if in an existential crisis and a psychological pressure-cooker.

In some degree I will offer you an apology however. I have a series of strategies for dealing with the psychologically riled.

I want to share with you something else. It is “operative knowledge” (in my view of things) and I suspect you won’t know what to do with it. I notice in myself and in others a general decline that is more than merely intellectual or even spiritual. Notice that I do not exclude myself? The reason is because (I might say that) we are all on a similar sinking ship of self. If there is “philosophical work” that interests me it has to do with a self-recovery that goes far beyond a superficial philosophical orientation or intellectual stance.

And this is very certainly a psychological-spiritual malady.

So, since this is my focus it should not surprise you that my comments touch on this extensive and complex issue.

My thinking on this matter has been influenced by two essays by CG Jung: Wotan and After The Catastrophe.

The first pre-WWII and the second post-WWII.

There is so much relevant material to reveal and discuss about ourselves in this present.

I'm not sure Jung correctly described the situation. They are interesting narratives but are they correct. And what was the cure for the situation?

It reminds me of Aristotelian physics.

Aristotle was a clever guy. He would see some phenomenon and write an explanation for it. But he never tested it for correctness. And it turned out that his explanations were mostly wrong.

So I have doubts about this project. Have you correctly identified the 'disease' and is the 'self-recovery' or 'recovery' a reasonable response? Or are you going to be taking a pill which does nothing?

BTW, I have asked you about 'the cure' before and you avoided saying anything about it. You told me that you were more interested in studying 'the disease'.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I agree with you that Jungian theory applied to historical analysis is problematic. I also agree (which you imply) that his view, and therefore any view, is interpretive, and all interpretation is problematic.

And yet both the essays I mentioned are super-interesting, especially his post-catastrophe analysis, which is also self-analysis (i.e. analysis of the German “soul”).

At the same time (according to some) Jung actually presents and represents an “Aryan” movement inspired, one might say, by Nietzsche, involving a general European rejection of Christianity and a rediscovery and revivification of European pagan roots. We are all moved along in those currents whether we realize it or not.

And what was the cure for the situation?

But first — what is the situation? It requires interpretive statements, doesn’t it? But according to what interpretive school?

Have you correctly identified the 'disease' and is the 'self-recovery' or 'recovery' a reasonable response? Or are you going to be taking a pill which does nothing?

BTW, I have asked you about 'the cure' before and you avoided saying anything about it. You told me that you were more interested in studying 'the disease'.

You are asking me a few questions actually. One is to offer a description of “the problem” and the next a “solution” to it. To answer either question could only involve my own subjective attempts to confront “the problem” in myself, since I am a cultural manifestation of it in that Fichtean sense.

In an ultimate sense it seems to me that conservatism as a social movement and as a personal strategy is always tied-up with ideas and activities involving definitions of (permit me) metaphysical bedrock. Progressivism, and cultural progressivism of various radical strains, is generally always a breaking down of established hierarchies and boundaries.

The movements influencing our present, if you accept that these are anti-Liberal, all define themselves through reference to conservative metaphysics. Many people “return to Church” and consider that enough. But there are people who go farther and subscribe to a deeper metaphysics (like Guénon and Evola).

I mention this area (radical metaphysics, anti-Liberal social movements) because it seems to me precisely these which are roiling our present.

[accelafine]

I see that Tim Walz is celebrating the plummeting of Tesla stock and encouraging the targeting of Tesla car owners. Isn't Tesla an American car, the manufacture of which creates jobs for thousands of Americans? Don't millions of ordinary, non-rich people have shares in Tesla? I thought wokies had a monopoly on kindness-- at least they are always telling others to 'be kind'. I guess it doesn't apply to themselves.
Tesla is also the most eco-friendly mass produced car on the market. I thought Democrats claimed to care about the environment
Wow. The Democrat party really doesn't have a lot to redeem it these days does it? Gotta hand it to the wokies; they always behave in character i.e. as hypocritical wankers.
Meanwhile Elon Musk just brought back some stranded astronauts, welcomed by a pod of non-political dolphins.
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[phyllo]

The movements influencing our present, if you accept that these are anti-Liberal, all define themselves through reference to conservative metaphysics. Many people “return to Church” and consider that enough. But there are people who go farther and subscribe to a deeper metaphysics (like Guénon and Evola).

I mention this area (radical metaphysics, anti-Liberal social movements) because it seems to me precisely these which are roiling our present.

If one looks at this one aspect, a return to church and religion, one finds that these conservative movements are not aligned with those traditions.

The "progressives" are closer to what Jesus was teaching than the "conservatives".

The conservatives are creating a self-serving metaphysics.

[Alexis Jacobi]

If one looks at this one aspect, a return to church and religion, one finds that these conservative movements are not aligned with those traditions.

The "progressives" are closer to what Jesus was teaching than the "conservatives".

The conservatives are creating a self-serving metaphysics.

It really depends on what “conservative movement” we are referring to.

I can assure you, with confidence, that (for one example) Catholic metaphysics and social teaching, though “progressive” in a Christian sense (respect for the individual, children, the worker, social conditions, the family), is tightly bound up in metaphysical definitions that modern Progressivism cannot accept and no longer does accept.

I can likely agree with you that the figure of Jesus in the Gospels would be described of as “progressive” (and also radical) to the theocratic state and Judaic social philosophy, but the excesses of modern hyper-liberalism, inflected with other strains of social radicalism, erode those defined metaphysical bases.

Eventually in fact they tend to produce a person that can no longer reason and is re-subjected to mutable and unstable influences. In my view any solidly constructed idea-platform will always be grounded in defined metaphysics and that process is always conservative (conserving, value-driven, etc.)

Have you ever read Weaver’s Ideas Have Consequences? Weaver was a powerful influence on many strains of Conservative thought and he attempts to define the point where the Occident took a consequential (negative) turn by abandoning Universals.

The result being chaos, dissolution, and the fracturing of the individual (and nihilism).

The conservatives are creating a self-serving metaphysics.

I do believe I understand to what and to whom you refer. It is neo-conservatism or quasi-conservatism. The neocons for example have been described as Trotskyites.

[Atla]

Ok fine, yes you are a demigod.

I am glad that you finally came around!

I have an important question. Are you the only demigod in human form (and therefore automatically the greatest mind alive to grace the earth) or are there others (so there could be greater minds than you)?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Why do you see your question as important? If I knew perhaps I’d understand you better.

[Atla]

Why do you see your question as important? If I knew perhaps I’d understand you better.

Because if you're the greatest mind alive then we'd have the 7th contender in the tournament, that would make me SO happy.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Oh now that cannot be right, Atla. I hope you can modify your view. Create for me a transcendent category and see me there, glowing and resplendent.

Those others? Like rusting farm equipment rotting on the prairie…

[phyllo]

It really depends on what “conservative movement” we are referring to.

It's probably best to limit it to America 2025. Still more than one movement, but at least there is some focus.

I can assure you, with confidence, that (for one example) Catholic metaphysics and social teaching, though “progressive” in a Christian sense (respect for the individual, children, the worker, social conditions, the family), is tightly bound up in metaphysical definitions that modern Progressivism cannot accept and no longer does accept.

I can likely agree with you that the figure of Jesus in the Gospels would be described of as “progressive” (and also radical) to the theocratic state and Judaic social philosophy, but the excesses of modern hyper-liberalism, inflected with other strains of social radicalism, erode those defined metaphysical bases.

The "modern hyper-liberalism" can be seen as taking the teachings of Jesus to their logical conclusion.

Maybe Christianity, the "slave" religion doesn't work, doesn't work in our society, or some/many don't want it to work. Certainly that has all been said.

How many are interested in going back to paganism and the pagan gods, or something further back? I doubt that a large number of conservatives or traditionalists want to go that far.

Eventually in fact they tend to produce a person that can no longer reason and is re-subjected to mutable and unstable influences. In my view any solidly constructed idea-platform will always be grounded in defined metaphysics and that process is always conservative (conserving, value-driven, etc.)

I don't think that the conservatives are promoting the ability to reason.

[Atla]

Maybe when in his fragmented mind he finally connects to an emotion, he thinks he's in transcendetal-metaphysical la-la-land