DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America

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Age wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:24 am -- :idea: --
Age, did you see what Rick Lewis posted, looks to me there's a lot within his statements that needs to be clarified.

Do us all a favour, let him know the power you have over members of this forum, give him an example, after example, after example of your unbridled commitment to comprehension...that we all deal with on a daily basis. 8)

For certainly, the forum is a far better place with your unabated and extremely intelligent posts, I don't consider you harassing me every day on every post as in anyway detracting from the level of quality of philosophical discourse upon this forum.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:47 am
Age wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:24 am -- :idea: --
Age, did you see what Rick Lewis posted, looks to me there's a lot within his statements that needs to be clarified.
If that is, REALLY, what you SEE, then WHY do you NOT do some thing ABOUT it?

I CERTAINLY DO NOT SEE WHAT you SAY and CLAIM you DO.
attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:47 am Do us all a favour, let him know the power you have over members of this forum, give him an example, after example, after example of your unbridled commitment to comprehension...that we all deal with on a daily basis. 8)
Do 'I' REALLY HAVE that MUCH POWER OVER 'you' "attofishpi"?
attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:47 am For certainly, the forum is a far better place with your unabated and extremely intelligent posts, I don't consider you harassing me every day on every post as in anyway detracting from the level of quality of philosophical discourse upon this forum.
REALLY, EVERY day, and, EVERY post?
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...well, I'm second guessing myself now.
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henry quirk wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm
phyllo wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:25 pm The fascist part is letting one guy decide everything.
In the American system the executive, legislative, and judicial check & balance each other.

It's not quite one guy callin' all shots unilaterally. True, there are large questions on the table about what the exec can and can't do, what the true extent of his constitutional power is, but this is not unique to RED MAN DEFIANT. The party out of power always tries to rein in or neuter the opposing exec thru the other two branches and the court of public opinion.

It's a great unruly circus that, in the long run, doesn't mean nearly as much as some folks think it does. I mean, sure, if the circus is the source of your bread & butter, it's all very important...to you. If you're deluded and believe the circus truly is the beginning & end of all things, it's all very important...to you. Everyone else, we let ourselves get caught up in the sweep of it, the crass spectacle of it, but -- at day's end -- we know it's mostly entertainment...like sports ball.
You think that this is mostly entertainment?

People are going to die because of these decisions, people are going to lose access to medical care, people are going to lose their farms and businesses.

It's not a TV show or a video game.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:10 pmYou think that this is mostly entertainment?
Yep.
People are going to die...
Circle of Life.
It's not a TV show or a video game.
Kinda is.
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Alexiev wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:18 amI'm not naive.
I think you are, so: we'll have to agree to disagree.
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RickLewis wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:28 pm What takes place in the heads of tech billionaires and their acolytes isn't necessarily going to play out in reality.
This truism, like most others, will of course turn out to be true. However, the plan appears to be to create chaos, after which whoever has the most agile and posesses the keenest instincts will profit from that chaos. 20 years of running businesses with mottos such as Move Fast And Break Things makes these guys feel pretty confident they have the moves for that game.

RickLewis wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:28 pm What is reality is that some tech billionaires (obviously, Musk being the prime example) are very much embedded In the Trump administration for either ideological or commercial reasons, or both. And other tech billionaires are modifying their behaviour and that of their corporations to fit better with the Trump narratives, to avoid friction. So far, out of the mega-money-men, only Bill Gates seems to be conspicuously immune to that tendency. He's more focused on giving his billions away philanthropically these days so presumably sees no need to suck up to anyone.

As Tesla shares etc plummet, Musk may quite soon have to make a tough choice between his love of Trump and his love of his companies. What happens then? Trump will still be President, but Musk will be on the outside. Will there be a soft landing? Will Trump try to seize X? Will it play out like with the oligarchs in Russia in the 2000s? What do the Americans here predict?
When this has all played out, I believe you will change your views. The first Trump presidency was largely defined by internal conflict between the tantrum inclined president and the many many people who thought they could bring out some imagined "presidential" qualities by being the adult in the room. All of those people have since warned American voters not to bring him back.

A vacuum was created. It has been filled by a bunch of tech-bros who don't care about tantrums because they throw them too. They have an ideology and some half-smart people to help them write it down. You'll be running some sort of special about Deneen, Yarvin and Girard one day.

This isn't really anything new, there's always a set of well-heeled blue sky thinker types to attempt a takeover whenever the drift of popular sentiment supports the possibility of radical change. That's why Brexit was a horrible marriage of two conflicting sets of values, with a rich collective of free-traders who dreamt of an unbound Britain striding the waves of Global Commerce, freed of dirty Euro-protectionism. The poor people that voted for Brexit mostly wanted more protectionism. The elitists completely failed to enact their laissez-faire agenda for incredibly obvious reasons, and the gammons that voted mainly to keep foreigners out have simply been further impoverished.

America's Brexit is headed for a Texas sized mess along similar lines caused by a similar mismatch of expectation. DOGE is applying the rule of 'Move Fast And Break Things' apparently with the breaking of things being the objective rather than a tolerable symptom of effecting good works at sufficiently rapid pace. There are some things which, once broken, will not be easily fixed. The illusion of checks and balances is now on that list.

Did very many of the 74 million MAGA voters actually vote for this? Sort of, but they only wanted it to happen to other people, and they didn't secure that promise in writing, same as the English idiots who did the same thing with Brexit.


PS. not sure if Henry is making a deliberate Mussolini reference when he calls Musk the Futurist, but I am going to award him 3 FlashDangerPoints.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:29 pm Musk the Futurist
Tony Stark/Iron Man reference.

You can keep them points...useless things.
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:36 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:29 pm Musk the Futurist
Tony Stark/Iron Man reference.

You can keep them points...useless things.
Next time a hurricane rips the tin roof off your squalid shack, there won't be a FEMA to help you out. Delaware and New York will have ceased funelling their tax dollars to your welfare queen of a state, so there won't be any local assistance either. You might want to hold onto your FDPoints, they might be the most valuable thing you still own.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:43 pm
henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:36 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:29 pm Musk the Futurist
Tony Stark/Iron Man reference.

You can keep them points...useless things.
Next time a hurricane rips the tin roof off your squalid shack, there won't be a FEMA to help you out. Delaware and New York will have ceased funelling their tax dollars to your welfare queen of a state, so there won't be any local assistance either. You might want to hold onto your FDPoints, they might be the most valuable thing you still own.
Maybe he's so worn out that he doesn't care.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:43 pm You might want to hold onto your FDPoints, they might be the most valuable thing you still own.
Can I redeem them for cigarettes & gin? If not: useless.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:52 pm Maybe he's so worn out that he doesn't care.
Nah, I'm spry, and I care...just not about the same things as you. For example: I don't give two flips about Ukraine, so -- unlike you -- I'm not on the front lines fightin' Russkies (you are on the front lines fightin' Russkies, right? Right?)
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:01 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:52 pm Maybe he's so worn out that he doesn't care.
Nah, I'm spry, and I care...just not about the same things as you. For example: I don't give two flips about Ukraine, so -- unlike you -- I'm not on the front lines fightin' Russkies (you are on the front lines fightin' Russkies, right? Right?)
You don't even seem to care about your fellow Americans.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:06 pm You don't even seem to care about your fellow Americans.
I reckon I care about Americans way more than you do Ukrainians.

'nuff said.
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:17 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:06 pm You don't even seem to care about your fellow Americans.
I reckon I care about Americans way more than you do Ukrainians.

'nuff said.
Well that was a nonsensical reply.
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