What is the concept of God philosophically?

For all things philosophical.

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Skepdick
Posts: 16022
Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:16 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Skepdick »

Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:33 pm Anthropomorphism of the law? The law is not anthropomorphic, it is not material at all, however. The law of gravity, for example, you cannot kiss it.
Which is precisely the purpose of anthropomorphising it - it's more relatable to humans than abstract mathematics/physics.
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

Skepdick wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:35 pm
Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:33 pm Anthropomorphism of the law? The law is not anthropomorphic, it is not material at all, however. The law of gravity, for example, you cannot kiss it.
Which is precisely the purpose of anthropomorphising it - it's more relatable to humans than abstract mathematics/physics.
Once again, the law is not material, and anthropomorphism is not its point.
You can set yourself the purpose of kissing the law of gravity, but that is stupid lust.
Skepdick
Posts: 16022
Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:16 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Skepdick »

Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:59 pm Once again, the law is not material, and anthropomorphism is not its point.
You can set yourself the purpose of kissing the law of gravity, but that is stupid lust.
Well, there won't be a "once again" from me.

Since you can't grasp what I am saying - ask ChatGPT to explain it to you.
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

Age wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:55 am
Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am Almost all the topics here mention God.
But to talk about something, you should have an idea about it, unless you are a parrot.
So, what is your definition of God?
This applies to both theists and atheists.
Can those who are neither also respond, and answer?
This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
User avatar
attofishpi
Posts: 13319
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Orion Spur
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by attofishpi »

Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:39 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:55 am
Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am Almost all the topics here mention God.
But to talk about something, you should have an idea about it, unless you are a parrot.
So, what is your definition of God?
This applies to both theists and atheists.
Can those who are neither also respond, and answer?
This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
Rubbish.

Where is this "proof" from Aristotle that GOD is immaterial?
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:54 pm
Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:39 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:55 am

Can those who are neither also respond, and answer?
This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
Rubbish.

Where is this "proof" from Aristotle that GOD is immaterial?
approximately where two plus two equals four.
User avatar
attofishpi
Posts: 13319
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Orion Spur
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by attofishpi »

Janoah wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:14 am
attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:54 pm
Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:39 pm

This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
Rubbish.

Where is this "proof" from Aristotle that GOD is immaterial?
approximately where two plus two equals four.
Why did you state: "This topic is for all those who have intelligence." when you reply with such a daft comment.
Age
Posts: 27841
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Age »

Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:39 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:55 am
Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am Almost all the topics here mention God.
But to talk about something, you should have an idea about it, unless you are a parrot.
So, what is your definition of God?
This applies to both theists and atheists.
Can those who are neither also respond, and answer?
This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
And, as I have ALREADY EXPLAINED, on a few occasions, the One, in the invisible sense, or as some like "yourself" might align with the 'immaterial', is just the Mind, Itself.

And, ONCE AGAIN, for the VERY SLOW OF LEARNING God is NOT a "him" NOR a "he". FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

And, LOL SAYING and CLAIMING that 'the One' has ALREADY BEEN PROVED TO BE 'immaterial', while ALSO, STILL, SAYING and CLAIMING that 'the immaterial One' IS a "Him" is BEYOND ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS.

God, in the invisible sense, IS JUST, the Mind, Itself.

However, and OBVIOUSLY, an immaterial and/or an invisible Mind is NOT 'potent' AT ALL, let alone having the ability to be 'omnipotent'. BUT, what IS ACTUALLY 'omnipotent' IS the visible and/or material, as NOTHING is MORE 'potent' than ALL of the visible 'matter', as One. Thus, this is WHERE the Universe, Itself, COMES-IN-TO-PLAY, HERE, and WORK, and DO, as It DOES, HERE.
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am Almost all the topics here mention God.
But to talk about something, you should have an idea about it, unless you are a parrot.
So, what is your definition of God?
This applies to both theists and atheists.
To understand the concept of God philosophically we cannot ignore the physical and organic history from whence humans emerged since 13.7 billion years ago.

It is from the above that humans are faced with many critical dilemmas and difficult-to-explain-scenarios that cannot be resolved easily.
In such scenarios, humans has to reify fictitious things as real.

For example it is impossible for a toddler to understand the concept of death of a near kin, so the concept of heaven as real is introduced to the child. It is the same for the concept of 'Santa Claus' fairies and other fictions which are very real to a child.

As for adults, the majority are "infected" with an inherent existential crisis that generate cognitive dissonances, terrible subliminal angsts and existential pains that need to be resolved and soothed.

See:
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
8. For the belief adopted, the truth of reality is not critical, what is primary is whether the belief can soothe the existential angst or not.
Up the present, theism [personal God] is the most effective method to deal with the inherent existential crisis. This merely need one to surrender, belief in the God and viola one is saved and relieved from the terrible existential angsts immediately and sustained.
Without the concept of God, the majority would be paralyzed with fears re inevitable mortality.
Thus, the concept of God philosophically is a critical concept [useful illusion] that is necessary to facilitate the basic survival of the majority of humans at present. [not future]

Note:
It is Impossible for God to be Real; only as a Useful Fiction
viewtopic.php?t=40229
Age
Posts: 27841
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Age »

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am
Janoah wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am Almost all the topics here mention God.
But to talk about something, you should have an idea about it, unless you are a parrot.
So, what is your definition of God?
This applies to both theists and atheists.
To understand the concept of God philosophically we cannot ignore the physical and organic history from whence humans emerged since 13.7 billion years ago.
Why only 13.7 billion years ago?

Why have such a NARROWED and LIMITED VIEW and FIELD OF VISION?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am It is from the above that humans are faced with many critical dilemmas and difficult-to-explain-scenarios that cannot be resolved easily.
you may well have MANY, but NOT EVERY one is as SHALLOW, NARROWED, and CLOSED AS you. So, LIST what you perceive to be 'critical dilemmas' and 'difficult-to-explain-scenarios, and 'we' can then SHOW you just HOW SIMPLE and EASY they REALLY ARE TO RESOLVE.

But, BECAUSE you are ABSOLUTELY CLOSED you WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY, as you WILL, ONCE MORE, PROVE 'me' ABSOLUTELY True, and Right, here.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am In such scenarios, humans has to reify fictitious things as real.
Oh, is this WHY you 'reify fictitious things as real', here?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am For example it is impossible for a toddler to understand the concept of death of a near kin, so the concept of heaven as real is introduced to the child.
you REALLY ARE ABSOLUTELY NARROWED and CLOSED.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am It is the same for the concept of 'Santa Claus' fairies and other fictions which are very real to a child.
WHAT?

Are you, REALLY, suggesting or implying that 'these concepts' are introduced because it is, supposedly, impossible for a 'toddler' to understand the concept of 'death' of some outrageous claim of a so-called 'near kin' only, or because children are faced with supposed and so-called 'critical dilemmas and, supposed, difficult to explain scenarios', which you can NOT resolve?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am As for adults, the majority are "infected" with an inherent existential crisis that generate cognitive dissonances, terrible subliminal angsts and existential pains that need to be resolved and soothed.
'This one' LAUGHINGLY BELIEVES, ABSOLUTELY, that because it was INFLICTED WITH the EXACT SAME thing/s, here, then others HAD TO HAVE TO HAVE BEEN, AS WELL.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am See:
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
8. For the belief adopted, the truth of reality is not critical, what is primary is whether the belief can soothe the existential angst or not.
Up the present, theism [personal God] is the most effective method to deal with the inherent existential crisis. This merely need one to surrender, belief in the God and viola one is saved and relieved from the terrible existential angsts immediately and sustained.
Without the concept of God, the majority would be paralyzed with fears re inevitable mortality.
Thus, the concept of God philosophically is a critical concept [useful illusion] that is necessary to facilitate the basic survival of the majority of humans at present. [not future]

Note:
It is Impossible for God to be Real; only as a Useful Fiction
viewtopic.php?t=40229
The CLAIMS in this link, here, have ALREADY BEEN COUNTERED and REFUTED numerous time
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:54 pm
Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:39 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:55 am

Can those who are neither also respond, and answer?
This topic is for all those who have intelligence.


***To me, the word God:
In the physical sense, is just the visible part of the Universe,***

Aristotle has already proven that the One is immaterial, therefore “visible” is not about Him.
Rubbish.

Where is this "proof" from Aristotle that GOD is immaterial?
Guess in three tries.
Aristotle's proofs are in the works of Aristotle, in particular in "Metaphysics".
Get to know "Metaphysics" and you will gain intelligence.
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am
It is Impossible for God to be Real;
Everything that happens happens according to the law of nature.
The philosophical concept of God is the First Cause, the Substantial Form.
The Substantial Form is the One law of nature.
What's unreal about this?
User avatar
Janoah
Posts: 391
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Location: Israel
Contact:

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Janoah »

Europe is called Europe after the name of the Phoenician, eastern princess.
The European, Western Aristotle proved the immateriality of the One God.
Europeans adopted the Christian faith, which was of Eastern origin.
European Christians rejected in practice Aristotle's proof of the immateriality of God (they could not believe in a God who could not be touched).
The Easterners, Jews and Muslims, accepted the proofs of Western Aristotle about the immateriality of God, and the Westerners, European Christians, accepted the Eastern faith, but with a material God, rejected by the East.
That's Quest.
Pistolero
Posts: 703
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:20 pm

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Pistolero »

The definition of ;'god' is dependent on the culture.
In nihilistic dogmas, like the Abrahamic triad, god represents absolute order - totalitarianism, authoritarianism.

in Judaism the concept of god also represents their collective.
So, when they worship god they are worshiping their collective, as an ideal.
And when Islam and Christianity worships the god of the Jews they are worshiping collective Judaism.

In paganism, Hellenism, the gods are anthropomorphic representation of natural forces.
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

Janoah wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:16 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:38 am
It is Impossible for God to be Real;
Everything that happens happens according to the law of nature.
The philosophical concept of God is the First Cause, the Substantial Form.
The Substantial Form is the One law of nature.
What's unreal about this?
The above is merely a unjustified claim.
Anyone can make such a claim without proper justifications.
That the majority agree 'God exist' does not make it real.

What is real is like the apple on the tree out there is real.
This can be proven by physically examining it and it need be verified and confirmed by science that is a real apple as per science-biology framework and system.
It is the science-biology FS that said the apple is a real apple.

The typical is God is omniscient, omnipotent, and absolutely perfect and absolutely independent of the human conditions.
These are impossible features in reality.

God is absolutely independent of the human beliefs.
The claim that God exists as real is a human belief.
Therefore it is impossible for God to exists absolutely independent of human beliefs.

Why you want God to be 'real' is purely due to psychological, emotional drives and pseudo-rationality.
Post Reply