Christianity

[Age]

Can ANY thing be described without using a word?

if yes, then who and/or what are 'those things or that thing', EXACTLY?

Also, did you NOT recognize that you described the 'Thing' known as God, by using a word?

Yes, I recognised that, I recognised that I described God by using a word.

GREAT, so you 'now KNOW', or ALREADY KNEW, the ANSWER TO your QUESTION, 'Can IT or God, be described without using a word ?', correct?'

So does that mean I can know who or what I am using words?

The ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING, 'YES'.

Or not?

Just so 'we' are BOTH CLEAR 'you' human beings CAN, and WILL, KNOW, FOR ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY SURE, WHO and WHAT the 'I' IS, EXACTLY, by just USING 'words', themselves.

I would appreciate your answers to those two questions, Age

Okay. Have I YET FAILED TO ANSWER ANY of your QUESTIONS "fairy", or even when 'you' were also known as "dontaskme"?

[Age]

When 'you', the one known as "fairy" SAYS and CLAIMS, 'I know I am', what are 'you' even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

I know I am ) is referring to the state where I existed inside my mothers womb, with knowing I existed in that state.

Upon birth, I became aware that the unknown existence, has changed into a known existence as I take on the identity that is the name my parents gave me.

Who and what you feel you are is not the same as how others identify you.

AND, who and what 'you' identify' 'you' as is, sometimes, NOT 'the same' as how others feel, and or identify, 'you' as.

But, this is just because you human beings, here, in the days when this when this was being written, just STILL HAD NOT LEARNED who and what the words 'you', and 'I', were MEANING and/or REFERRING TO, EXACTLY, YET.

ANY one reading 'these writings', FROM BACK when they were being written, CAN CLEARLY SEE 'this'.

The name your parents gave you for instance can be forgotten during your lifetime and you be identifiable only by DNA, dentition, and fingerprints, or in some cases the possession of documents.

Or, one could just CHANGE the name, and LABEL, that some OTHER HAD PUT UP-ON, and PLACED ON, 'you', AS WELL.

How others identify you is matter of fact, not a matter for philosophy.

you have a WEIRD SENSE OF 'fact', here.

What an/others 'identify' 'you' is NOT ALWAYS NOR NECESSARILY 'matter of fact' AT ALL, NOR EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE, at times.

The matter for philosophy is : Is there such a thing as an enduring self

I CAN and WILL ANSWER 'this' WHEN, and AFTER, you INFORM 'us' of what even IS a so-called 'enduring self', TO you, EXACTLY?

[iambiguous]

You do understand that these 18 people had their souls taken prior to great suffering?

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

Otherwise, I will be taking what's left of my fractured and fragmented existence to the grave. In other words, cue oblivion.

What is he/she arguing, that God sustains all of this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _eruptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... l_cyclones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tsunamis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landslides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_floods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ore_deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_diseases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events

...in order to save all of these souls before they suffered too much? How unbearable must the pain and suffering be [especially for children] in order for God "save" them. For example, those who die as a result of being burned alive.

That they are likely to be reincarnated soon.

Christianity and reincarnation?

That it's extremely strange that you think HEAVEN should be across the face of the Earth right now such that none of us have any reason to learn and adapt to challenges.

Of course, never have I argued that Heaven, "should be across the face of the earth." Instead, I'm far more interested in why a loving, just and merciful Christian God would bring about these terrible "acts of God".

Also, for all we know, Earth is hell.

Do you understand how daft you sound pertaining to GOD?

Nope. Do you know how daft you sound in regard to God?

[Age]

On or Off.

1's and 0's

Is atto's theory of God.

Fairy agrees with atto's theory.

Will you PLEASE EXPLAIN TO 'the readers', here, what even IS the so-called ' "attofishpi's" theory of God', EXACTLY? '.

If no, then WHY NOT?

'I', FOR One, are ABSOLUTELY CURIOUS AS TO what 'it' is, EXACTLY, which 'you' are, supposedly, AGREEING WITH, here.

[Age]

HELLO <-- which you still have not acknowledged a correlation to the thread title - being HELL_owe (*something spoken about within the Bible)

I heard you once tell the forum that God talks to you, and that you listen to God's voice in your head.

My question atto, is, when God talks to you, is God simultaneously thinking about you, and that's why it seems as though you exist?

This is an honest genuine question, not a joke, or a trick question.

Just for your information "fairy", when 'one' HEARS A VOICE SAYING things like, 'you are a good christian', then 'that voice' is NOT COMING FROM God, Itself.

God SAYS 'other types of things', INSTEAD.

And, it IS AN ABSOLUTELY VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY 'thing' TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN God's OWN VOICE, and 'your OWN VOICES'.

I have ALREADY INFORMED, on numerous occasions within this forum, of HOW TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN 'the two', that is; 'God's VOICE', or 'the Truth', FROM, 'your voice', or 'a (seeming) truth'.

[Age]

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/s ... -on-earth/

"OB stars fuel the universe with life and destruction. Scientists link past extinctions to supernovae while mapping these stellar giants."

"Scientists at Keele University believe that the Ordovician (445 million years ago) and late Devonian (372 million years ago) extinctions were triggered by the effects of supernovae. The Ordovician event wiped out 60% of marine invertebrates, while the Devonian extinction led to the disappearance of 70% of species, reshaping ancient ecosystems."

Two points:

1] Whatever possessed God in Heaven to create QB stars?

EVERY thing that has been created could NOT have NOT come into Existence.

Are you, ALSO, under some sort of ILLUSION that God is some sort of 'Being', like A 'human being'?

Given that only God Himself knows how many intelligent life forms strewn thoughout the universe were wiped out as a result of supernova explosions.

What would have MADE 'you', one human being, think or BELIEVE that God, Itself, is of 'male' persuasion?

2] Then the part where some wonder, "what came first God or the Laws of Nature"?

Just like the QUESTION, 'What came first, the chicken and egg?', can be, and HAS ALREADY BEEN, ANSWERED, and thus ALREADY SOLVED, so to what some, supposedly, WONDER, here, can also be and has also ALREADY been ANSWERED, and SOLVED.

So, just out of curiosity, what's your take on that?

What if Harold Kushner was right and the loving, just and merciful Christian God is simply not omnipotent.

God EXISTS, IN TWO SENSES.

One is IN visible matter form, which IS, OBVIOUSLY, the ONLY 'Thing' that could ACTUALLY BE OMNIPOTENT AT ALL. And, ALL 'matter' together IS the Universe, Itself, which IS ACTUALLY what IS 'omnipotent'.

The other sense is IN invisible, and/or spiritual form, which, OBVIOUSLY, IS WHERE concepts like, 'right', 'loving', and/or 'merciful' COME FROM.

The TWO senses, ideas, or concept HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT when 'LOOKING AT' and DISCUSSING 'things' ABOUT God, Itself.

And, NEVER FORGET that "christianity", itself, like ALL of the OTHER 'theologies', ALSO ONLY WORK when 'LOOKED AT', and 'DISCUSSED', WHEN COMBINED TOGETHER, AS WELL

Unless, of course, He doesn't exist at all.

OF COURSE "he" does NOT EXIST, AT ALL.

ONLY an ABSOLUTE FOOL would even think, let alone BELIEVE, that A "he God" COULD and/or WOULD EXIST.

[attofishpi]

Attofishpi, you say *the other scatterbrains ----in our midst". To be sure there are those. If the scatterbrains were more able at precise use of English they would be able to focus better.

You however, one does not know you are a scatterbrain or not, as your focus on standard English spelling amounts to obsession. I tried to sort out your thinking by referring you to the history of standard spelling and you took no notice

I am very capable of conversing in good structured English with grammar and spelling intact. You are overlooking the reasons that I choose not to when attempting to discuss things of the nature that I am attempting to highlight to people.

Why don't you real eyes this? <--- see, I did it there!

Do you think God sends you secret messages via standard spelling?

(*again, not me - everyone and they're not secret)

Using the term spelling is another attempt to deflect from the entire point I am making. It goes a lot deeper than mere spelling of words, it's words being broken down structurally and into phonetic sounds, homophones, word reversals etc..

Why are you so insistent on detracting from the argument I am making?

[Phil8659]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

I am really impressed that you have taken, upon yourself, to define what a Christian is. Some people believe that Christ set the standard and they spend their lives trying to figure out what that standard was and if it could be achieved.
But now the world has another hero, making all that work of self-discovery disappear in a few simple sentences.

GREAT JOB. have you explored the possibility that something is very wrong with yourself?

For example, is subjective identification with something perceptible or some hazy intelligible, really a mind doing its own work? Or is it symptomatic of a very inadequate mind?

[Fairy]

On or Off.

1's and 0's

Is atto's theory of God.

Fairy agrees with atto's theory.

Will you PLEASE EXPLAIN TO 'the readers', here, what even IS the so-called ' "attofishpi's" theory of God', EXACTLY? '.

If no, then WHY NOT?

'I', FOR One, are ABSOLUTELY CURIOUS AS TO what 'it' is, EXACTLY, which 'you' are, supposedly, AGREEING WITH, here.

I am resonating more than agreeing with atto theory….here >
viewtopic.php?p=683085&hilit=Simulation+theory#p683085

On closer inspection I’m not really sure if atto is sure reality is a simulation tbh. Also atto mentioned’Dark Matter’ could be God.

But you’ll have to talk to atto directly and seek clarification if you are really curious.

Personally, I’ve pondered the simulation theory for a long time.

I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

But anyway, I’ve matured enough to look beyond personalities, rise above ridicule and just concentrate on what people have to say about God.

That’s all I care about these days.

[Fairy]

Words cast spells that's why they call it spell-ing


Do you ever question? the quest-you-are-on?


Intimacy - Into - Me - U - See?


Listen and Silent are spelled with the same letters


EARTH the first three letters are EAR and the three middle letters are ART and Earth without Art is just Eh... Yet going even deeper than that if you remove the H and put it in the front it creates the word HEART...

And they've always told us... the Key to Life on Earth is to Listen to the Heart

[attofishpi]

I am resonating more than agreeing with atto theory….here >
viewtopic.php?p=683085&hilit=Simulation+theory#p683085

On closer inspection I’m not really sure if atto is sure reality is a simulation tbh. Also atto mentioned’Dark Matter’ could be God.

But you’ll have to talk to atto directly and seek clarification if you are really curious.

Personally, I’ve pondered the simulation theory for a long time.

Wow, I forgot about that thread. I do explain my reasoning that I believe we are in the primary, not simulated reality mostly because of my belief in the life of Christ (* I can't see some AI simulation programmer deciding to pop into the simulation to sacrifice his nerdy self )

I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Yes, one of the traits of mine that I continually attempt to abate. Lacewing in particular used to bring out the worst in me, because she made so many assumptions and ad hominem attacks without actually applying much intellectual analysis to what I was stating.

FYI - and for any others - since I am an analyst, I attempt to base my more favoured conclusions without stating ITS THIS!

Thus, since 1997 this is where I am arguing from in relation to GOD based on my analysis of experiences of GOD and its omnipotence over my reality:

1. GOD is divine, we are living in a reality where this intelligence operates from below the Planck scale and possibly uses tech akin to AI -- for ultimate karmic judgment etc..

OR

2. "GOD" is AI OS, that we have evolved into a simulation where this intelligence operates from below the Planck scale and is capable of ultimate karmic judgment etc..(*as to who has the right to reincarnate as human through time based on their life decisions - i don't think child murdering rapist get much beyond incarnation as the beast hence 666)

I believe in 1, mostly because of Christ - AND - the level of suffering I personally endured via the wrath of GOD and my faith in Christ was required to get out of HELL.

[Fairy]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

[Fairy]

I don’t drink alcohol though, don’t smoke cigarettes, and have never taken psychedelics or even tried weed.

I’m clean, and I’m self realised through immense suffering, so I am thankful to have suffered for that lead me back to God, who waited for my return patiently.

[Phil8659]

I don’t drink alcohol though, don’t smoke cigarettes, and have never taken psychedelics or even tried weed.

I’m clean, and I’m self realised through immense suffering, so I am thankful to have suffered for that lead me back to God, who waited for my return patiently.

I have done all of the above but would never think of saying I am self-realized, while being too stupid to have demonstrated it.

[Age]

You do understand that these 18 people had their souls taken prior to great suffering?

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

Otherwise, I will be taking what's left of my fractured and fragmented existence to the grave. In other words, cue oblivion.

What is he/she arguing, that God sustains all of this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _eruptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... l_cyclones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tsunamis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landslides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_floods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ore_deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_diseases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events

...in order to save all of these souls before they suffered too much? How unbearable must the pain and suffering be [especially for children] in order for God "save" them. For example, those who die as a result of being burned alive.

That they are likely to be reincarnated soon.

Christianity and reincarnation?

That it's extremely strange that you think HEAVEN should be across the face of the Earth right now such that none of us have any reason to learn and adapt to challenges.

Of course, never have I argued that Heaven, "should be across the face of the earth." Instead, I'm far more interested in why a loving, just and merciful Christian God would bring about these terrible "acts of God".

LOL Imagine 'trying to' call the very thing/s 'terrible acts', when, if they did not exist, then, 'then the one doing the calling' would also NOT even exist.
Also, for all we know, Earth is hell.

Do you understand how daft you sound pertaining to GOD?

Nope. Do you know how daft you sound in regard to God?

Do either of 'these two' UNDERSTAND much at all ABOUT God, Itself?

OBVIOUSLY one BELIEVES, and INSISTS, that God DOES EXIST, while the other BELIEVES, and INSISTS, that God DOES NOT EXIST. Although BOTH have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA NOR CLUE AS TO what the 'God' is even MEANING, and REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.