Christianity

[Belinda]

Attofishpi, you say *the other scatterbrains ----in our midst". To be sure there are those. If the scatterbrains were more able at precise use of English they would be able to focus better.

You however, one does not know you are a scatterbrain or not, as your focus on standard English spelling amounts to obsession. I tried to sort out your thinking by referring you to the history of standard spelling and you took no notice
Do you think God sends you secret messages via standard spelling?

[Fairy]

When 'you', the one known as "fairy" SAYS and CLAIMS, 'I know I am', what are 'you' even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

I know I am ) is referring to the state where I existed inside my mothers womb, with knowing I existed in that state.

Upon birth, I became aware that the unknown existence, has changed into a known existence as I take on the identity that is the name my parents gave me.

[Fairy]

Can ANY thing be described without using a word?

if yes, then who and/or what are 'those things or that thing', EXACTLY?

Also, did you NOT recognize that you described the 'Thing' known as God, by using a word?

Yes, I recognised that, I recognised that I described God by using a word.

So does that mean I can know who or what I am using words?

Or not?

I would appreciate your answers to those two questions, Age

[Belinda]

When 'you', the one known as "fairy" SAYS and CLAIMS, 'I know I am', what are 'you' even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

I know I am ) is referring to the state where I existed inside my mothers womb, with knowing I existed in that state.

Upon birth, I became aware that the unknown existence, has changed into a known existence as I take on the identity that is the name my parents gave me.

Who and what you feel you are is not the same as how others identify you. The name your parents gave you for instance can be forgotten during your lifetime and you be identifiable only by DNA, dentition, and fingerprints, or in some cases the possession of documents.

How others identify you is matter of fact, not a matter for philosophy.

The matter for philosophy is : Is there such a thing as an enduring self

[attofishpi]

BELINDA - i am still waiting for your challenge

Attofishpi wrote:

My point being, and as you may have noticed, I use the term KEY words. These words imo have been manipulated through the minds of men unbeknownst to them by this underlying intelligence (GOD) into their current form.

This is the main cause of our disagreement. Simply, I don't believe in that sort of God. I.e. the sort of God who intervenes in history.

Am i correct to infer that you believe in some form of GOD? A spinozan form perhaps?

If you like you may put your theory to the test; suggest any English word and I guarantee I will be able to invent how the word holds an arcane meaning.

Yippy! Now you're talking. Much of the point I am making is regarding the CUMULATIVE evidence, thus any word taken on an individual account can be almost dismissed.

So have a look at the etymological root of the following two words, of course they have no common root..

EVIL

LIVE

Part of the argument I am making of course is that both words have NO lineage etymologically, but DO provide a LOGICAL connection in consideration of the thread title, here and now in their present form.

HELLO <-- which you still have not acknowledged a correlation to the thread title - being HELL_owe (*something spoken about within the Bible)

[Fairy]

BELINDA - i am still waiting for your challenge

Attofishpi wrote:

My point being, and as you may have noticed, I use the term KEY words. These words imo have been manipulated through the minds of men unbeknownst to them by this underlying intelligence (GOD) into their current form.

This is the main cause of our disagreement. Simply, I don't believe in that sort of God. I.e. the sort of God who intervenes in history.

Am i correct to infer that you believe in some form of GOD? A spinozan form perhaps?

If you like you may put your theory to the test; suggest any English word and I guarantee I will be able to invent how the word holds an arcane meaning.

Yippy! Now you're talking. Much of the point I am making is regarding the CUMULATIVE evidence, thus any word taken on an individual account can be almost dismissed.

So have a look at the etymological root of the following two words, of course they have no common root..

EVIL

LIVE

Part of the argument I am making of course is that both words have NO lineage etymologically, but DO provide a LOGICAL connection in consideration of the thread title, here and now in their present form.

HELLO <-- which you still have not acknowledged a correlation to the thread title - being HELL_owe (*something spoken about within the Bible)

atto, first of all, I believe, or should I say, I agree, or resonate with your binary simulation theory, regarding the topic of God, and what God means to you personally. No argument there, for me.

And so because I am able to resonate with your ideas, I would like to ask you questions, periodically.

The question I would like to ask right now, is do you think the nature of word play has mostly a palindrome reality to it, and was this by quantum design, was it part of the programme?

[Fairy]

Dammit I'm Mad

Spells the same forwards and backwards.

Is just one example of many word plays that appeal as being quite magical really.

PS, I love your particular way of expressing 'word play', atto. It amuses me.

[Fairy]

On or Off.

1's and 0's

Is atto's theory of God.

Fairy agrees with atto's theory.

[Fairy]

HELLO <-- which you still have not acknowledged a correlation to the thread title - being HELL_owe (*something spoken about within the Bible)

I heard you once tell the forum that God talks to you, and that you listen to God's voice in your head.

My question atto, is, when God talks to you, is God simultaneously thinking about you, and that's why it seems as though you exist?

This is an honest genuine question, not a joke, or a trick question.

[Age]

Self -affirmed Christians in this philosophy forum can't seem to offer any reasoned support for Christianity. I would love to read a church-going Christian who can reason that Christianity is good. I am not being flippant or ironic I state a matter of fact.
Immanuel Can comes closest to reasoning for Christianity, but fails when he confuses the Christ of faith and the Jesus of history.

The essential, or fundamental, part, or teaching, of "christianity" is based on, or off of, who and what "jesus christ", itself, was, or is, or what the actual words, name, and label "jesus christ" was meaning and/or referring to, EXACTLY.

So, who and what were those words referring to, EXACTLY?

They referred to a 'child', and more so a 'child of God'. But, which was also a 'human being child', AS WELL. Now, the word "christianity" obviously comes from or relates to the word "christ". So, being "a christian" is more or less just being 'christ-like'. That is; 'child-like' is OPENNESS, and Honesty, while being Truly CURIOUS. Absolutely EVERY young child is CURIOS, WANTS TO LEARN, FULLY OPEN, and TOTALLY Honest. And the ABILITY to become, and remain, Truly CURIOS, FULLY OPEN, and TOTALLY Honest is ALWAYS WITHIN. After all the 'inner-child' ALWAYS REMAINS, WITH-IN 'us', 'older ones'.

The human being who was living about two thousand years ago, from when this was written, (and who is said to 'die' in about eight more years, fours weeks, and at three pm, again two thousand years ago), was also said to have 'known' what is Right, in Life, by 'the age of nine'. (Which, by the way, itself also holds significance, which does come-to-light with the 'second-coming'). Anyway, the fundamental teaching of 'the story of "jesus christ" is that as A 'child' 'we' ALL KNOW/KNEW what IS Right, and Wrong, in Life, and that through, and by, USING 'childhood-logic', which is just an never-ending QUEST, THIRST, and HUNGER FOR LEARNING, while being Truly OPEN, and Honest, with an also absolutely LOVE-OF CHANGE, and thus of becoming-NEW, and WISER.

So, "christianity" is just 'A way' of life, and living', where 'we', as 'the SAME one/s', that is; 'child like', again, are just being OPEN to continual learning, towards continual changing for the better.

And, for those who are, also, Truly CURIOS, and 'we' KEEP continually learning AND changing UNTIL 'we', eventually, 'grow up', and 'mature', IN-TO what 'we', as One, have ALWAYS been DESTINED TO BE, and BE-COME.

Now, WHY, in "christianity", BELIEF is so STRONGLY TAUGHT, and HELD, is because if and when 'older' or 'adult' human beings PUT BELIEF IN-TO ('their'), then 'children' 'grow up' and/or 'mature' BETTER, or IN-TO MORE ' 'rounded, capable, and/or well adjusted' human beings ', as some would say. In fact it is BELIEF IN "one's" 'self' HOW and WHY EVERY thing has been ACHIEVED and CREATED BY human beings CAME-IN-TO FRUITION, and/or CAME-TO-EXIST.

The reason adult human beings do NOT have THE BELIEF in "themselves", as they got 'older' is from not having BELIEF, itself, IN-STILL-ED IN 'them', when 'they' were 'younger'.

A HUGE part of 'the story, of "jesus" ', is about BELIEF IN "jesus", namely; (your) CHILDREN.

In fact, and for 'those' who WANT TO DELVE IN-TO 'the story', of "jesus", it is said that 'the story' was written even before 'the one' named "jesus christ" was even 'born'. Which, more or less, just MEANS that 'that one' was only, literally, put up-on such a 'pedestal' of HIGH REGARD because others around 'that one' SAW it as being 'good' or 'better' all along. Because others around 'that one' HAD 'FAITH' IN it, and HAD BELIEF IN it', 'they' were, literally, 'the ones' PUT THE FAITH and PUT THE BELIEF IN 'that one'. Again, you human beings can and do ACHIEVE and can and do CREATE things MUCH BETTER, more easily, more simply, and much quicker when 'you' HAVE FAITH, and/or BELIEF, IN "yourselves". Obviously, if and when children 'grow up' WITHOUT others HAVING, nor, literally, PUTTING FAITH, or BELIEF, in 'them', then 'those children' with END UP WITHOUT FAITH, nor BELIEF, WITH-IN "themselves".

Also, and just to add just SOME more on here, now, ALL young children will only do what is good, or Right, ONLY. That is; UNTIL they COPY, and/or LEARN, FROM others. And, doing good, or what is JUST, Right, in Life, is NOT some thing that ANY one should be 'proud' of NOR be 'praised' FOR. Just DOING GOOD is JUST 'what IS Right, in Life, and IS JUST NATURAL FOR ALL young human beings, and thus is JUST what "jesus christ", that is; CHILDREN, OF God, (ALL human beings) JUST START OUT DOING, NATURALLY, anyway.

If you like "belinda" I can DELVE IN-TO 'this' MUCH, MUCH FURTHER, and in MUCH, MUCH MORE DETAIL, SHOWING HOW "christianity", or just 'being child-like' IS GOOD, but which is also ONLY JUST A VERY SMALL PART OF what IS ACTUALLY GOOD and Right, in Life.

See, "Islam" and just ' being a "muslim" ' is ALSO what IS ACTUALLY GOOD and Right, in Life, and combined-together HELP IN MAKING 'Life', Itself, MUCH BETTER, and MORE HARMONIOUS, FOR EVERY one. But, 'this' is obviously 'another story', FOR 'another day'.

[iambiguous]

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/s ... -on-earth/

"OB stars fuel the universe with life and destruction. Scientists link past extinctions to supernovae while mapping these stellar giants."

"Scientists at Keele University believe that the Ordovician (445 million years ago) and late Devonian (372 million years ago) extinctions were triggered by the effects of supernovae. The Ordovician event wiped out 60% of marine invertebrates, while the Devonian extinction led to the disappearance of 70% of species, reshaping ancient ecosystems."

Two points:

1] Whatever possessed God in Heaven to create QB stars? Given that only God Himself knows how many intelligent life forms strewn thoughout the universe were wiped out as a result of supernova explosions.
2] Then the part where some wonder, "what came first God or the Laws of Nature"?

So, just out of curiosity, what's your take on that?

What if Harold Kushner was right and the loving, just and merciful Christian God is simply not omnipotent.

Unless, of course, He doesn't exist at all.

[Age]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7bywPush9I

"The storms that killed at least 18 people across Arkansas, Mississippi and Missouri on Friday and Saturday continued to pummel a vast section of the South, leveling homes, taking down power lines and turning communities into debris fields.

"Before the intense and long-lasting tornadoes arrived, forecasters said that their level of threat was typically experienced only once or twice in a lifetime." nyt

Ironically, in America, there is no greater commitment to Christianity than in the South.

Then the part where a reporter covering the devastation notes that the only building left standing was...the church.

Or those who just lost everything they owned, insisting all that really matters is the Lord spared them.



On the other hand, whatever possessed God in Heaven to spawn tornados?

Ambiguous, the Problem of Evil is worth mentioning, but some don't seem to be able to see the problem. I wish you would say something in support of Christianity , or do you see it as entirely negative?

Some people seem to have COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN that if it was NOT FOR volcanoes, earthquakes, storms, rain, flooding, lightening, hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fires, and burning sunshine, then you human beings would NOT have COME-INTO-Existence, Itself. These things are NEEDED FOR things like 'human being life' TO EXIST.

And, IF adult human beings 'build' buildings and/or homes in areas KNOW for what are JUST NATURAL OCCURRENCES, then the just collapsing of some
just building material is, OBVIOUSLY, BOUND TO HAPPEN.

Now, if ANY one WANT TO 'LOOK AT', and 'DISCUSS', the number of 'human lives', which are said to have been 'lost', or 'taken', by 'this just natural and NEEDED latest occurrence' across parts of land named, "arkansas, mississippi and missouri", which as of ' when this is written' is said to be eighteen, then do you SAME one/s ALSO WANT TO 'LOOK AT', and 'DISCUSS', the number of 'human lives', which were actually 'lost', and 'taken', including CHILDREN, by the 'completely UNNECESSARY human being MISbehavior of "american citizens" DROPPING BOMBS from FIGHTER PLANES, over and across parts of land named, "yemen"?

If yes, then, as of this writing, the NUMBER of 'human lives', INCLUDING CHILDREN, who were actually 'STOLEN', and 'TAKEN', is THIRTY TWO.

But, TO some, 'this number', literally, MEANS NOTHING AT ALL, because 'they' were OF 'the others'.

REMEMBER 'these lives' were TAKEN NOT because of 'things', which are ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR life, BUT because of NOTHING MORE than GREED, SELFISH, and A NON UNDERSTANDING.

YET "some americans" WILL TELL 'the world' that 'they' are 'the ones' DOING THE 'RIGHT thing'.

Parts of this human being created world', which you human beings are living WITH, and IN, in the days when this is being written, are COMPLETELY BACKWARDS, AND INSANE.

Human beings so-call 'die' in a NEEDED event, and some WHINGE, WHINE, and COMPLAIN, YET the EXACT SAME ones WILL CLAP, CHEER, and even ENCOURAGE MORE 'deaths' in ABSOLUTELY UNNEEDED, and UNWARRANTED, human being CAUSED LOSS OF lives.

[Age]

But 'I' know that I am Conscious, and Aware, and 'I', also, do know who and what 'I' am, EXACTLY.

So, who of the two of 'you', here, is Right, Accurate, and Correct, EXACTLY?

But 'I' know that I am Conscious, and Aware, and 'I', also, do know who and what 'I' am, EXACTLY.

Are the words in 'bold' the end of the thought loop on knowing who and what 'I' am, exactly?

But you (nor anyone else) don't know what and who you are until the very end of your life.

WHY do you BELIEVE 'this', ABSOLUTELY, "belinda"?

And, by the way, you could NOT BE MORE Wrong, and Incorrect, here.

What and who you are is yet to be accomplished.

'This' IS VERY True, for 'you', human beings.

But, one day 'you' WILL CATCH UP, HERE.

[Age]

But 'I' know that I am Conscious, and Aware, and 'I', also, do know who and what 'I' am, EXACTLY.

So, who of the two of 'you', here, is Right, Accurate, and Correct, EXACTLY?

But 'I' know that I am Conscious, and Aware, and 'I', also, do know who and what 'I' am, EXACTLY.

Are the words in 'bold' the end of the thought loop on knowing who and what 'I' am, exactly?

No.

[Age]

When 'you', the one known as "fairy" SAYS and CLAIMS, 'I know I am', what are 'you' even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

I know I am ) is referring to the state where I existed inside my mothers womb, with knowing I existed in that state.

Well that is one VERY LIMITED, NARROWED, and CLOSED perspective of things, HERE.

Upon birth, I became aware that the unknown existence, has changed into a known existence as I take on the identity that is the name my parents gave me.

Okay. So far so good, but 'you', obviously, have a LONG, LONG WAY TO GO, YET.

There is MUCH, MORE TO 'Life', and TO 'living', Itself, then just that relatively NOTHING period, and VERY SMALL and NARROWED FIELD OF VIEW.