Assisted suicide

[Walker]

No I don't think it does. I could find out within a quick online search that would take less time than typing this, but alas, I don't care enough.

The point is to reason with what you know, not to walk around with a phone in your hand fact checking the world.

[Walker]

I would say the Christian reason that suicide is a sin, is because you don’t own your life, God owns your life. Therefore God will take your life when God decides. This would make Life the limit of free will, thus the measure of free will.

Fuck GOD regarding any ownership of my body. Ultimately, IT (GOD) has control over what happens to my soul - woteva that it - but certainly, if God's design and/or manufacturing process is so flawed as to cause the suffering to the poor lady that is the reason for this thread, then again fuck GOD for fucking up - she had every right to terminate her suffering.

* Where in the Bible is it stated that to commit suicide is a sin?

Well, since it's all about you, how do you take responsibility for your assistant's civil if not criminal liability?

The poor lady is the reason for discussing the principles involved with the issue.

[attofishpi]

Stop wasting my precious time that needs to be dedicated to drinking beer prior to meeting other humans that want to congratulate me for being born.

[LuckyR]

I'm prepared to address your second comment, please clarify what you mean, exactly.

what I MEAN, EXACTLY, by those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS, If a person is CONVINCING another to 'commit suicide' BEFORE they are REALLY READY and WANTING TO, then SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ANY one be ABLE TO 'step in or but in'?

In the post I referenced, there was no "CONVINCING".

[popeye1945]

One of my girlfriend's good friends killed herself yesterday. She had Multiple Systems Atrophy, a rare disease that robs one of motor control. She was beginning to have trouble swallowing (she already couldn't move by herself, even in her electric wheel chair). In her state, you have to be able to swallow the legal assisted suicide pills, so her options were:intubate; do nothing and die of thirst, or assisted suicide.

This woman was a former triathlete and claimed her life had become torture. Of course it is all sad. Her husband has been her caretaker for 7 years, as the disease slowly robbed her of her mobility. I'm sure he's very sad, but perhaps one reason for his wife's choice was to unburden him.

"Der tod ist gros," wrote Rilke. Death is huge. What do people think of assisted suicide?

Life is experience, a mixture of bad and good, if it becomes just bad, then assisted suicide is an act of mercy. Knowing just how bad life can be, it is a wonder our species continue to bring innocence into the world. As a father, I have a guilt complex. I have lost loved ones under bitter circumstances such as the above, and it's heartbreaking to watch the suffering with helpless hands. I, as a child, knew enough to dispatch an animal in hopeless suffering, no one had to teach me that, compassion arises and you do what needs to be done.

[Age]

I'm prepared to address your second comment, please clarify what you mean, exactly.

what I MEAN, EXACTLY, by those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS, If a person is CONVINCING another to 'commit suicide' BEFORE they are REALLY READY and WANTING TO, then SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ANY one be ABLE TO 'step in or but in'?

In the post I referenced, there was no "CONVINCING".

Okay. And, BECAUSE you HAVE NOT YET CLARIFIED ANY of the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I PUT FORWARD, TO you, then you OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT THAT INTERESTED, NOR SERIOUS, here.

[Walker]

Stop wasting my precious time that needs to be dedicated to drinking beer prior to meeting other humans that want to congratulate me for being born.

Hey, happy birthday!

Ever recall not remembering your birthday on your birthday? Anyone, anyone?

[Walker]

One of my girlfriend's good friends killed herself yesterday. She had Multiple Systems Atrophy, a rare disease that robs one of motor control. She was beginning to have trouble swallowing (she already couldn't move by herself, even in her electric wheel chair). In her state, you have to be able to swallow the legal assisted suicide pills, so her options were:intubate; do nothing and die of thirst, or assisted suicide.

This woman was a former triathlete and claimed her life had become torture. Of course it is all sad. Her husband has been her caretaker for 7 years, as the disease slowly robbed her of her mobility. I'm sure he's very sad, but perhaps one reason for his wife's choice was to unburden him.

"Der tod ist gros," wrote Rilke. Death is huge. What do people think of assisted suicide?

Life is experience, a mixture of bad and good, if it becomes just bad, then assisted suicide is an act of mercy. Knowing just how bad life can be, it is a wonder our species continue to bring innocence into the world. As a father, I have a guilt complex. I have lost loved ones under bitter circumstances such as the above, and it's heartbreaking to watch the suffering with helpless hands. I, as a child, knew enough to dispatch an animal in hopeless suffering, no one had to teach me that, compassion arises and you do what needs to be done.

I figure that due to the uncertainties, the trials and the tribulations of life, at one time or another most fathers contemplate the abyss, to be or not to be. Then they step back, so that any progeny who might wake up one day confused and depressed might find justification in that legacy, and not in the abyss. This is because most fathers don’t feel responsible for only their own lives, or rather, most most fathers feel responsible for more than just their own life. Would you agree, popeye, anyone, anyone? Bueller?

[Walker]

As there is no God who can prevent one from committing suicide, I conclude that each person‘s life is his own.

As such, it is a person‘s prerogative to decide whether to commit suicide or not. It is also a person’s prerogative whether,to assist with suicide or not.

It’s also possible that suicide is evidence that the free will to live, for whatever reason, has been surrendered to another will. In a secular society that other will becomes the state. In a parallel religious realm the other will becomes The Angel of Death, which I’ve heard of and may even be referenced in the bible, or somewhere.

[attofishpi]

Stop wasting my precious time that needs to be dedicated to drinking beer prior to meeting other humans that want to congratulate me for being born.

Hey, happy birthday!

Ever recall not remembering your birthday on your birthday? Anyone, anyone?

Thanks for the happy birthday Walker.

I think your question...: "Ever recall not remembering your birthday on your birthday? "

...is a contradiction in terms.

[popeye1945]

One of my girlfriend's good friends killed herself yesterday. She had Multiple Systems Atrophy, a rare disease that robs one of motor control. She was beginning to have trouble swallowing (she already couldn't move by herself, even in her electric wheel chair). In her state, you have to be able to swallow the legal assisted suicide pills, so her options were:intubate; do nothing and die of thirst, or assisted suicide.

This woman was a former triathlete and claimed her life had become torture. Of course it is all sad. Her husband has been her caretaker for 7 years, as the disease slowly robbed her of her mobility. I'm sure he's very sad, but perhaps one reason for his wife's choice was to unburden him.

"Der tod ist gros," wrote Rilke. Death is huge. What do people think of assisted suicide?

Life is experience, a mixture of bad and good, if it becomes just bad, then assisted suicide is an act of mercy. Knowing just how bad life can be, it is a wonder our species continue to bring innocence into the world. As a father, I have a guilt complex. I have lost loved ones under bitter circumstances such as the above, and it's heartbreaking to watch the suffering with helpless hands. I, as a child, knew enough to dispatch an animal in hopeless suffering, no one had to teach me that, compassion arises and you do what needs to be done.

I figure that due to the uncertainties, the trials and the tribulations of life, at one time or another most fathers contemplate the abyss, to be or not to be. Then they step back, so that any progeny who might wake up one day confused and depressed might find justification in that legacy, and not in the abyss. This is because most fathers don’t feel responsible for only their own lives, or rather, most most fathers feel responsible for more than just their own life. Would you agree, popeye, anyone, anyone? Bueller?

"Fathers feel responsible for more than their own lives." So to mothers, and it is not particular to the human species but common to most life forms. Perhaps the quilt complex is only common to humans. To see the beautiful innocence you have brought into the world and know that innocence is going to experience the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, and then like yourself, must age and perish.

[Walker]

Do you recall your birthday ever passing by without your notice?

[Age]

I'm prepared to address your second comment, please clarify what you mean, exactly.

what I MEAN, EXACTLY, by those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS, If a person is CONVINCING another to 'commit suicide' BEFORE they are REALLY READY and WANTING TO, then SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ANY one be ABLE TO 'step in or but in'?

In the post I referenced, there was no "CONVINCING".

Ah okay. So, when you SAID and WROTE, 'EVERY one else (including the government) should just butt out', you were only referencing that one and ONLY scenario, right?

Either way, what is your view in regards to EVERY other scenario? Should ALL people just 'butt out', AS WELL?

Also, and by the way, in that one and ONLY scenario, how do you KNOW that there was NO 'convincing'?

[LuckyR]

what I MEAN, EXACTLY, by those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS, If a person is CONVINCING another to 'commit suicide' BEFORE they are REALLY READY and WANTING TO, then SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ANY one be ABLE TO 'step in or but in'?

In the post I referenced, there was no "CONVINCING".

Ah okay. So, when you SAID and WROTE, 'EVERY one else (including the government) should just butt out', you were only referencing that one and ONLY scenario, right?

Either way, what is your view in regards to EVERY other scenario? Should ALL people just 'butt out', AS WELL?

Also, and by the way, in that one and ONLY scenario, how do you KNOW that there was NO 'convincing'?

Uummm... I don't know, how do you know anything?

[Age]

In the post I referenced, there was no "CONVINCING".

Ah okay. So, when you SAID and WROTE, 'EVERY one else (including the government) should just butt out', you were only referencing that one and ONLY scenario, right?

Either way, what is your view in regards to EVERY other scenario? Should ALL people just 'butt out', AS WELL?

Also, and by the way, in that one and ONLY scenario, how do you KNOW that there was NO 'convincing'?

Uummm... I don't know, how do you know anything?

Through, and by, experiences, and senses.

Anyway, should ALL people just 'butt out' in ALL 'assisted suicide scenarios', or just in 'that one scenario' ONLY?