Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:41 pm This all ends with me telling you I told you so, and reminding you that you are an economic illiterate and should have listened to me. Prepare yourself to hate that a lot.
[I might suggests that you change your avatar? I associate you with that bizarre, afflicted, deranged looking and likely drugged-out freakshow with (?) side-curls (or is it dreads?) The tank-top seems really odd as well. Can you explain?]

I do not have much faith in the American present, frankly, and I do not see resolution on the horizon -- in all areas: economic, industrial, social, cultural. I think that division, discord, opposition and internal struggles will continue and will get worse. And I tend to think that such will go on no matter what type of administration has power.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:00 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:41 pm This all ends with me telling you I told you so, and reminding you that you are an economic illiterate and should have listened to me. Prepare yourself to hate that a lot.
[I might suggests that you change your avatar? I associate you with that bizarre, afflicted, deranged looking and likely drugged-out freakshow with (?) side-curls (or is it dreads?) The tank-top seems really odd as well. Can you explain?]
I don't care very much what you think. You and your little pocket nazi Wizzy can obsess about that little thumbnail of FDP if you want, but he's just a superhero from a comic I never finished drawing and your hangups are a you problem. You have a lot of hangups to be honest and should seek therapy.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:00 pm I do not have much faith in the American present, frankly, and I do not see resolution on the horizon -- in all areas: economic, industrial, social, cultural. I think that division, discord, opposition and internal struggles will continue and will get worse. And I tend to think that such will go on no matter what type of administration has power.
... and then yadda yadda yadda ... race wars ... yadda yadda yadda.... jews ... I think we sort of know what you are working with by now.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:54 pm
phyllo wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:35 pm What "hysteria" is the NYT pushing?
Good question. Do you read the NYTs? (I assume you do not). My assessment of the Times over the last 10 years is that it has become, in a manner of speaking, but also in a certain real sense, a sort of Maoist 'cultural transformation' organ of propaganda. This sort of statement is full of hot terms (like 'propaganda', like Maoist) but I believe it could be explained in reasonable terms.

The NYTs has utterly hated Trump since long before he became a candidate. I researched many articles. The NYTs and the New York 'intellectual establishment' generally truly hate the man. Their contempt and ridicule is not without some justification and indeed everyone is aware of the ridiculous side of the man. But there is more to the man than they allow. And a genuine news journal should carry on differently. One think that always seemed bizarre and suspect were the photos they selected in articles about Trump. Skewed angles, almost abstract, and the most unflattering possible. I have never seen anything similar published by the Times in all the years I have paid attention.

I cannot tell you how man adverse articles, opinion-pieces, and 'hit-pieces' have appeared over the years. In fact there was one reporter (6-7 years back, I forgot his name) who openly stated that 'given the danger' that Trump presented that it would be necessary and indeed justified to lie and/or to exaggerate in news reporting in order to cast him in a bad light. He defined ethical reporting in that sense. (I will go in search of the quote if you do not believe me).

My impression of the Ukraine/Russia war, and the US involvement in it, is that in the legacy media one cannot get the full story. One gets slanted perspectives. I have already expressed that I tend to put my *trust* (of a cautionary sort) in people like Meersheimer, Sachs and MacGregor (all available on YouTube). Glen Greenwald is also very objective. They provide a fuller picture. The necessary picture if one is to understand the origin of the conflict. One gets none of this from the Times.
I notice that you did not actually answer the question of what "hysteria" the NYT is pushing.

No media can provide "the full story". It's necessary to look at many sources.

I think you are mistaken in thinking that your preferred sources are giving a fuller picture. I have seen videos produced by them and they say some very questionable things.
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phyllo wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:35 pm 1) I notice that you did not actually answer the question of what "hysteria" the NYT is pushing.

2) No media can provide "the full story". It's necessary to look at many sources.

3) I think you are mistaken in thinking that your preferred sources are giving a fuller picture. I have seen videos produced by them and they say some very questionable things.
1) In a general sense, and in regard to Ukraine, all their coverage has an *hysterical* tone. By that I mean reactive, opinionated, but propaganda-like. I think must Left-Progressive reporting has that angle. If one is in that camp it all sounds like *truth*. I suggest you look into it if indeed it interests you.

2) I think you are wrong. A 'genuine' media source can certainly provide a (more) balanced picture, if that is their editorial policy. One must analyze the corporate backing to then understand what angles are being presented and pushed.

3) It is not impossible. But I think that truthfully you have a particular slant to your views, and have had for a long time, though I do not know what influences or prejudices your views.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:10 pm ...but he's just a superhero from a comic I never finished drawing.
For God's sake and please don't ever finish it! It has likely done enough damage as it is.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:27 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:10 pm ...but he's just a superhero from a comic I never finished drawing.
For God's sake and please don't ever finish it! It has likely done enough damage as it is.
For somebody who bangs on about dissidents every day and poses as such an outsider as you do, you really are the most boringly conformist little man imaginable.
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But I am resolved to improve! I even called a few therapists! Not every utterance of yours is dismissed. For Heaven’s sake don’t give up on me! That would be inhumane.
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1) In a general sense, and in regard to Ukraine, all their coverage has an *hysterical* tone. By that I mean reactive, opinionated, but propaganda-like. I think must Left-Progressive reporting has that angle. If one is in that camp it all sounds like *truth*. I suggest you look into it if indeed it interests you.
Can you link to a NYT story which you think is "hysterical"? About the current issues of Ukraine or the US economy. Just one will do.
2) I think you are wrong. A 'genuine' media source can certainly provide a (more) balanced picture, if that is their editorial policy. One must analyze the corporate backing to then understand what angles are being presented and pushed.
It's true that, in the past, balanced reporting was more valued and respected than it is now.

One has to adjust.

The media has biases. Therefore, one can't just look at one source or even several sources which have a similar bias.

Don't look at only the left media or the right media. Don't look at only American media. Don't look at only Youtube, TV, print.
3) It is not impossible. But I think that truthfully you have a particular slant to your views, and have had for a long time, though I do not know what influences or prejudices your views.
Of course I have a slant. To have any experiences is to have a slant. To hold on to any values is to have a slant.

I'm not blind to it. And I don't passively swallow everything shoved at me ...no matter which direction it is coming from.
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phyllo wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:01 pm Can you link to a NYT story which you think is "hysterical"? About the current issues of Ukraine or the
US economy. Just one will do.
Do you have a NYTs subscription?

Look up all the coverage about Zelensky in the White House with Trump.

And examine all opinion-pieces on that matter, and all the pieces on Trump’s backing away from “support” of Ukraine.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:57 pm
phyllo wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:01 pm Can you link to a NYT story which you think is "hysterical"? About the current issues of Ukraine or the
US economy. Just one will do.
Do you have a NYTs subscription?

Look up all the coverage about Zelensky in the White House with Trump.

And examine all opinion-pieces on that matter, and all the pieces on Trump’s backing away from “support” of Ukraine.
Don't you hate it when people make an assertion and then refuse to back it up with any evidence?

Then they ask you to do all the research to support the assertion.

It's Miller time. I'm done with the circus for a while.
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Chill out, Phyllo. If you do not have a subscription you cannot view articles. I will therefore take some of my time to do what you should be capable of doing yourself — if you cared to. And copy and paste.

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:27 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:10 pm ...but he's just a superhero from a comic I never finished drawing.
For God's sake and please don't ever finish it! It has likely done enough damage as it is.
Part way through he identifies as a non-binary martian.
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