Christianity

[Fairy]

Maybe we’ve all got 1 or two singular pieces of the entire reality puzzle and we’re just trying to connect all our pieces together to form the whole picture.

No one individual can know the entire picture. And to be fair I don’t think the entire picture will ever reveal itself because it’s infinite in scope.

Most people have died before they’ve even gotten anywhere near solving the TOE including the mystery that is consciousness.


Something magical and intelligent is happening, we could call it GOD. After all that’s why we are philosophising, that’s why we are introspecting. We are curious creatures, it’s like it’s our duty to discover ourselves and the universe.

Human beings didn’t make it all happen, they are part of the happening. So we might as well just say something is making it all happen, and we just might as well call this something GOD.

WHY NOT.

[Belinda]

Etymology is not a reliable guide to meaning. The way a word develops and changes causes a word to mean something relatively or even completely different from what the word meant in previous times.
Spelling is an especially weak guide to meaning. Standardised spelling is recent and arbitrary. Meanings may be gleaned from local pronunciations but not from spellings which until recently were mostly idiosyncratic.

A lot of talk about meaning without any apparent reasoning as to the actual point I am making, it seems.

Are you objecting to my insistence that these key words within the English language are unlikely to be the result of natural language etymological evolution, and are more likely to be the result of some intelligent being behind the construct of our reality? (*GOD perhaps)

1. That you can not or will not explain why you believe that those words are so-called 'key words' is not helping you at all, here, in your INSISTENCE.

2. And, if all you have got for your belief that 'God exists' is just 'a few words', and your own personal definitions for those words, only, and that 'this' means that it is 'more likely' that 'God exists' than 'not existing' REALLY IS you 'clutching at straws', as some would notice.

(Atto)

It is sad. One wants people to be able to express their feelings as well as their reasonings. Maybe in a time yet to come your use of English will be more popular.

Maybe. Also, maybe my art will be considered to some depth that those observing will have the depth of analytical understanding to fathom deep enough to connect the dots..

your art is still only on a very superficial level "attofishpi". Wait until you become Truly OPEN and Honest, and do delve MUCH DEEPER, then you WILL UNDERSTAND FAR, FAR, FAR MORE than you do 'now', when this is being written.

Now that you have had my explanation of the Mount SINAI painting: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Mount%20Sinai.jpg ...does it have any substance for the overall point I am attempting to make, that GOD/some intelligence formed the current nature of such things..within our shared REAL_IT_Y?

LOL you are JOKING, here, right?

OBVIOUSLY you FIRST OBTAINED A BELIEF, and THEN 'saw' things, which CONFIRMED your BIASED BELIEF.

A agree, Age. Atto has confirmation bias, in his case to a ridiculous degree. Atto will not be told that modern spelling was arbitrated by men not God.

Atto, FYI

"-----early 19th century, when spelling was codified by the influential English dictionaries of Samuel Johnson (1755) and Noah Webster (1806). "

[attofishpi]

A agree, Age. Atto has confirmation bias, in his case to a ridiculous degree. Atto will not be told that modern spelling was arbitrated by men not God.

Wow. That was rather cowardly, sit behind the village idiot to obfuscate what I thought was starting to develop into an intelligent debate.

The cumulative evidence is more than mere spelling of words. It's homophones, phonetics - in particular of alpha_bet lettering used within English. It's Mount SINAI - and the implications of SIN AI in relation to an all knowing entity A.I. pertaining to SIN.

OK. So..

HELL_O - are you of the same position as Age, that you cannot work out any significance to GOD in relation to that word?

RE: Arbitrated by men - yes,sort of. You need to understand the omnipotent power this GOD entity has over the synapses within the minds of men to comprehend how GOD can convolute a language. (*operating below the Planck scale)

Atto, FYI

"-----early 19th century, when spelling was codified by the influential English dictionaries of Samuel Johnson (1755) and Noah Webster (1806). "

OMG: I know plenty about Samuel Johnson. Irrelevant, you really are coming across rather dim pertaining to our little debate.

Are you going to take this serious? Or are going to leave me with no alternative than to see you as stuck in a corner, starting to real eyes the mounting evidence I have that confronts your atheism?

[Age]

A agree, Age. Atto has confirmation bias, in his case to a ridiculous degree. Atto will not be told that modern spelling was arbitrated by men not God.

Wow. That was rather cowardly, sit behind the village idiot to obfuscate what I thought was starting to develop into an intelligent debate.

1. What is there to 'debate', here?

2. Is It NOT 'cowardly' to 'sit behind' just giving 'others' ATTEMPTED RIDICULING NAMES, instead of just INTERACTING WITH them.

3. Obviously those who can NOT back up and support their OWN BELIEFS and/or CLAIMS, and/or who are NOT ABLE to just COUNTER what IS POINTED OUT and SHOWN 'sit behind' ATTEMPTS TO RIDICULE and/or HUMILIATE 'the other'.

The cumulative evidence is more than mere spelling of words. It's homophones, phonetics - in particular of alpha_bet lettering used within English. It's Mount SINAI - and the implications of SIN AI in relation to an all knowing entity A.I. pertaining to SIN.

But, besides God, Itself, there could NEVER BE AN 'all-knowing entity'. As for 'artificial intelligence' you USED TO CLAIM that God WAS 'artificial intelligence'. Which goes BEYOND ABSOLUTELY ABSURDITY.

OK. So..

HELL_O - are you of the same position as Age, that you cannot work out any significance to GOD in relation to that word?

Please IMPLY 'Yes' "belinda", so THEN "attofishpi" would then HAVE TO EXPLAIN some thing, here.

RE: Arbitrated by men - yes,sort of. You need to understand the omnipotent power this GOD entity has over the synapses within the minds of men to comprehend how GOD can convolute a language. (*operating below the Planck scale)

Atto, FYI

"-----early 19th century, when spelling was codified by the influential English dictionaries of Samuel Johnson (1755) and Noah Webster (1806). "

OMG: I know plenty about Samuel Johnson. Irrelevant, you really are coming across rather dim pertaining to our little debate.

LOL you "attofishpi" ARE CLAIMING that 'God exists' because a dozen or so words have some SECRET MEANING WITHIN 'them', which you have NOTICED, and SEEN.

But, let 'us' NOT FORGET people RECOGNIZE and SEE 'evidence' that the earth is flat, it revolves around the sun, is in the center of the Universe, the Universe began, and is expanding.

But, NONE of these people, like you, have ANY ACTUAL 'proof'.

Are you going to take this serious? Or are going to leave me with no alternative than to see you as stuck in a corner, starting to real eyes the mounting evidence I have that confronts your atheism?

you obviously do NOT REALIZE JUST HOW ABSOLUTELY STUCK you ARE in your OWN MADE UP BELIEF, here, "attofishpi".

[attofishpi]

** DO YOU MIND, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN MOI AND BELINDA **

[Age]

Maybe we’ve all got 1 or two singular pieces of the entire reality puzzle and we’re just trying to connect all our pieces together to form the whole picture.

NOW, FINALLY 'we' have 'one', HERE, who IS STARTING TO SEE 'things' for, EXACTLY, HOW 'they' REALLY ARE.

Instead of TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER, here, as can be CLEARLY SEEN, adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, MUCH PREFERRED TO JUST STICK TO 'their OWN PRE-GAINED BELIEFS', and FIGHT and/or DEFEND 'those BELIEFS', ALONE.

No one individual can know the entire picture.

But, just as one FOUND A WAY to RECOGNIZE, and SEE, ALL OF the NEWLY DISCOVERED things, 'THE WAY' to LOOK AT, and SEE, ALL things for what they Truly ARE, can be FOUND BY one, FIRST.

But, as the ENTIRE Picture INCLUDES ALL things, like ALL of things, in the so-called 'past', and, in the so-called 'future', and forever spatially, then OBVIOUSLY NO individual human being can KNOW the 'entire picture'. However, and AGAIN, there is ALWAYS one who FIRST FINDS OUT, or FIRST UNCOVER some things BEFORE 'others'.

And to be fair I don’t think the entire picture will ever reveal itself because it’s infinite in scope.

But, the One INDIVIDUAL, also known as God CAN SEE and KNOW the ENTIRE Picture. Again, BECAUSE of WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY.

Most people have died before they’ve even gotten anywhere near solving the TOE including the mystery that is consciousness.

Something magical and intelligent is happening, we could call it GOD.

Oh, you human beings, here, have NOT YET EVEN IMAGINED just HOW 'magical' and/or 'intelligent' 'things' REALLY ARE, here, and ARE GOING TO BE, HERE.

After all that’s why we are philosophising, that’s why we are introspecting. We are curious creatures, it’s like it’s our duty to discover ourselves and the universe.

you human beings are ALL born Truly CURIOUS, which is WHY human beings, collectively, just KEEP ON DISCOVERING, and UNCOVERING. you are all also born WITH the ABILITY TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and REASON ANY and EVERY thing. Which INCLUDES ALL OF the things that you 'previously and 'current' think or BELIEVE could NOT be LEARNED, CREATED, and ACHIEVED.

Human beings didn’t make it all happen, they are part of the happening.

Obviously A 'species' could NOT HAVE MADE what WAS BEFORE them. And, just AS OBVIOUS is that human beings are ONLY A PART of the ALWAYS EVOLVING 'HAPPENING'.

So we might as well just say something is making it all happen, and we just might as well call this something GOD.

WHY NOT.

Well considering that it IS God, that is; WHEN God is being DEFINED in the ACTUAL Right, and True, WAY, WHY NOT CALL WHO and WHAT CREATES ALL - God, or ANY OTHER of the OTHER NAMES that REFER TO the EXACT SAME 'Thing' that the word God IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Also, and by the way, ANOTHER NAME for the VERY Thing, which is MAKING ALL-OF-THIS 'HAPPEN'. is the 'Universe', Itself.

See, HOW the Universe ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY WORKS, HELPS, IN EXPLAINING HOW and WHY the word God, ALSO, came-to-EXIST.

[Age]

** DO YOU MIND, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN MOI AND BELINDA **

OBVIOUSLY 'this one' does NOT HAVE the CAPABILITY TO COUNTER NOR REFUTE what I have POINTED OUT, SAID, and CLAIMED.

NOR has it the CAPABILITY TO JUST back up and support its OWN BELIEFS, and CLAIM, with ANY ACTUAL PROOF.

'We' have ALREADY DISCUSSED HOW 'evidence' REALLY IS NOT WORTH ANY thing AT ALL, here.

[attofishpi]

** DO YOU MIND, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN MOI AND BELINDA **

OBVIOUSLY 'this one' does NOT HAVE the CAPABILITY TO COUNTER NOR REFUTE what I have POINTED OUT, SAID, and CLAIMED.

NO!! That's not the reason.

The reason I and anyone with a degree of common sense ignores you is because you are TOO FUCKING STUPID to understand our replies...GOT IT - NOW STOP INTERACTING WITH ME.

[Age]

** DO YOU MIND, THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN MOI AND BELINDA **

OBVIOUSLY 'this one' does NOT HAVE the CAPABILITY TO COUNTER NOR REFUTE what I have POINTED OUT, SAID, and CLAIMED.

Not that's not the reason. The reason I and anyone with a degree of common sense ignores you is because you are TOO FUCKING STUPID to understand our replies...GOT IT - NOW STOP INTERACTING WITH ME.

LOL
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So, you BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'I" can NOT understand 'this reply' or yours, here, CORRECT?

you do NOT INTERACT WITH 'me', here, BECAUSE you are NOT CAPABLE OF DOING SO, WITHOUT CONTRADICTING "your" 'self'.

As I HAVE ALREADY PROVED, and VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY COULD KEEP DOING ALSO.

But, you WILL NOT ACCEPT 'MY CHALLENGERS' FOR the EXACT SAME REASON/S.

[attofishpi]

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Rick, sorry about my resorting to swearing, again and possibly interrupting an episode of Coronation Street or whatever is the thang up there these days..

Is there any clause re harassment in the forums terms of use? I continually tell Age to stop engaging with me (he's the guy above with the LOL fits of giggling), but he continues. His continued derailment of threads with copious amounts of what to me is rather strange nonsense is seriously detrimental to the ability to have serious intellectual discussions with people.
Threads are continually overloaded with multiple posts from Age that rarely are discernible as anything more than waffling nonsense thus, easily scrolling through and enjoying reading any debate between parties becomes an erratic mess to navigate.

Perhaps your IT chap, Borat I think his name is, could make some PHP adjustment to limit the amount of posts people put on notice (Age) can make per day. Perhaps that would make this fella, Age, use his posts more wisely and it would be a rather simple code adjustment.

Sincerely attempting the WILCO,
your friend the naughty boy
Brian.

[Belinda]

A agree, Age. Atto has confirmation bias, in his case to a ridiculous degree. Atto will not be told that modern spelling was arbitrated by men not God.

Wow. That was rather cowardly, sit behind the village idiot to obfuscate what I thought was starting to develop into an intelligent debate.

The cumulative evidence is more than mere spelling of words. It's homophones, phonetics - in particular of alpha_bet lettering used within English. It's Mount SINAI - and the implications of SIN AI in relation to an all knowing entity A.I. pertaining to SIN.

OK. So..

HELL_O - are you of the same position as Age, that you cannot work out any significance to GOD in relation to that word?

RE: Arbitrated by men - yes,sort of. You need to understand the omnipotent power this GOD entity has over the synapses within the minds of men to comprehend how GOD can convolute a language. (*operating below the Planck scale)

Atto, FYI

"-----early 19th century, when spelling was codified by the influential English dictionaries of Samuel Johnson (1755) and Noah Webster (1806). "

OMG: I know plenty about Samuel Johnson. Irrelevant, you really are coming across rather dim pertaining to our little debate.

Are you going to take this serious? Or are going to leave me with no alternative than to see you as stuck in a corner, starting to real eyes the mounting evidence I have that confronts your atheism?

I am not high in your opinion. That's because I do not agree that God does a big conspiracy theory concerning how He steered the standardisation of English spelling so as to send important messages to you, Atto.

There is more sense in your claim that the sounds of words are clues to the development of their meanings. These connections are seen when Proto Indo- European , or Sanscrit, are connected with phonetics of European words in languages and dialects. That God caused these connections does not follow. l
Local developments from Proto Indo-European and Sanscrit are caused by movements of peoples during trade ,colonisation, or emigration.

[attofishpi]

A agree, Age. Atto has confirmation bias, in his case to a ridiculous degree. Atto will not be told that modern spelling was arbitrated by men not God.

Wow. That was rather cowardly, sit behind the village idiot to obfuscate what I thought was starting to develop into an intelligent debate.

The cumulative evidence is more than mere spelling of words. It's homophones, phonetics - in particular of alpha_bet lettering used within English. It's Mount SINAI - and the implications of SIN AI in relation to an all knowing entity A.I. pertaining to SIN.

OK. So..

HELL_O - are you of the same position as Age, that you cannot work out any significance to GOD in relation to that word?

RE: Arbitrated by men - yes,sort of. You need to understand the omnipotent power this GOD entity has over the synapses within the minds of men to comprehend how GOD can convolute a language. (*operating below the Planck scale)

Atto, FYI

OMG: I know plenty about Samuel Johnson. Irrelevant, you really are coming across rather dim pertaining to our little debate.

Are you going to take this serious? Or are going to leave me with no alternative than to see you as stuck in a corner, starting to real eyes the mounting evidence I have that confronts your atheism?

I am not high in your opinion.

I regard you very highly actually Belinda, particularly by way of knowledge, especially in philosophical areas. (* tho I understand why you'd think other_wise). Sometimes I feel you could mmm, be more analytic. Sometimes I see what I feel are those 'non sequiturs' and it surprises me to be honest because you are clearly very intelligent.
I know I can be very bloody beligerent though and condescending so I apoiogise for my thuggish behaviour, alas I am a product of my environment!

That's because I do not agree that God does a big conspiracy theory concerning how He steered the standardisation of English spelling so as to send important messages to you, Atto.

But that's not it at all. The evidence embedded throughout certain things within our shared REAL_IT_Y is there for a reason beyond me personally.

OK. So thus far you are not seeing anything as evidence of this intelligence that I have concluded operates from below the Planck scale, fine. Understand that my gnosis of GOD since 1997 came about from direct personal interactions with this entity, NOT from this shared information within our reality that I am attempting to present to you and others here. It was after gnosis that I started ANALYSING ALL REALITY...for evidence of this GOD entity that I could share with others. GOD started me off by talking to me with broken words and I started to think, and analyse some of the examples of these words - and BAM! The picture started to form, the evidence that I could reasonably present as a case for others to consider.

Also, using 'He' for this entity I don't, I may use it for Christ, but not GOD - the system running the backbone to the construct of our reality. It's my opinion that Christ formed from the GOD system.

<edit>These connections are seen when Proto Indo- European , or Sanscrit, are connected with phonetics of European words in languages and dialects. <edit>. Local developments from Proto Indo-European and Sanscrit are caused by movements of peoples during trade ,colonisation, or emigration.

Yes, I agree. I have absolutely no argument with that, in fact I was watching a documentary just the other day that was very interesting. Although from where you mention above that our current language developed, as one of the Germanic languages, we actually use MORE words descended from French & Latin. It's the nuts and bolts words such as 'come' 'and' 'because' 'the', that makes up the important German structure.

My point being, and as you may have noticed, I use the term KEY words. These words imo have been manipulated through the minds of men unbeknownst to them by this underlying intelligence (GOD) into their current form. Why? To provide the evidence here, now that we can comprehend such things since we have technology, in particular machines which are proving what is capable with A.I. --- hence I find Mount SIN_AI particulary interesting in historical context.

I hope that makes sense to this point, that perhaps you have an improved understanding of my POV.

[Fairy]

Maybe we’ve all got 1 or two singular pieces of the entire reality puzzle and we’re just trying to connect all our pieces together to form the whole picture.

NOW, FINALLY 'we' have 'one', HERE, who IS STARTING TO SEE 'things' for, EXACTLY, HOW 'they' REALLY ARE.

Instead of TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER, here, as can be CLEARLY SEEN, adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, MUCH PREFERRED TO JUST STICK TO 'their OWN PRE-GAINED BELIEFS', and FIGHT and/or DEFEND 'those BELIEFS', ALONE.

No one individual can know the entire picture.

But, just as one FOUND A WAY to RECOGNIZE, and SEE, ALL OF the NEWLY DISCOVERED things, 'THE WAY' to LOOK AT, and SEE, ALL things for what they Truly ARE, can be FOUND BY one, FIRST.

But, as the ENTIRE Picture INCLUDES ALL things, like ALL of things, in the so-called 'past', and, in the so-called 'future', and forever spatially, then OBVIOUSLY NO individual human being can KNOW the 'entire picture'. However, and AGAIN, there is ALWAYS one who FIRST FINDS OUT, or FIRST UNCOVER some things BEFORE 'others'.

And to be fair I don’t think the entire picture will ever reveal itself because it’s infinite in scope.

But, the One INDIVIDUAL, also known as God CAN SEE and KNOW the ENTIRE Picture. Again, BECAUSE of WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY.

Most people have died before they’ve even gotten anywhere near solving the TOE including the mystery that is consciousness.

Something magical and intelligent is happening, we could call it GOD.

Oh, you human beings, here, have NOT YET EVEN IMAGINED just HOW 'magical' and/or 'intelligent' 'things' REALLY ARE, here, and ARE GOING TO BE, HERE.

After all that’s why we are philosophising, that’s why we are introspecting. We are curious creatures, it’s like it’s our duty to discover ourselves and the universe.

you human beings are ALL born Truly CURIOUS, which is WHY human beings, collectively, just KEEP ON DISCOVERING, and UNCOVERING. you are all also born WITH the ABILITY TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and REASON ANY and EVERY thing. Which INCLUDES ALL OF the things that you 'previously and 'current' think or BELIEVE could NOT be LEARNED, CREATED, and ACHIEVED.

Human beings didn’t make it all happen, they are part of the happening.

Obviously A 'species' could NOT HAVE MADE what WAS BEFORE them. And, just AS OBVIOUS is that human beings are ONLY A PART of the ALWAYS EVOLVING 'HAPPENING'.

So we might as well just say something is making it all happen, and we just might as well call this something GOD.

WHY NOT.

Well considering that it IS God, that is; WHEN God is being DEFINED in the ACTUAL Right, and True, WAY, WHY NOT CALL WHO and WHAT CREATES ALL - God, or ANY OTHER of the OTHER NAMES that REFER TO the EXACT SAME 'Thing' that the word God IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Also, and by the way, ANOTHER NAME for the VERY Thing, which is MAKING ALL-OF-THIS 'HAPPEN'. is the 'Universe', Itself.

See, HOW the Universe ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY WORKS, HELPS, IN EXPLAINING HOW and WHY the word God, ALSO, came-to-EXIST.

Hume says: Emotions and sensations occur a few at a time, ever changing, and never all exist equally all at once. Since the self must be omnipresent, he decides… Hume has no reason to believe in a self, Thus, his theory is the 'no-self' theory of the self. Hume: The self is perpetually identical and omnipresent.

[Age]

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Rick, sorry about my resorting to swearing, again and possibly interrupting an episode of Coronation Street or whatever is the thang up there these days..

Is there any clause re harassment in the forums terms of use? I continually tell Age to stop engaging with me (he's the guy above with the LOL fits of giggling), but he continues. His continued derailment of threads with copious amounts of what to me is rather strange nonsense is seriously detrimental to the ability to have serious intellectual discussions with people.
Threads are continually overloaded with multiple posts from Age that rarely are discernible as anything more than waffling nonsense thus, easily scrolling through and enjoying reading any debate between parties becomes an erratic mess to navigate.

1. That I am NOT like you in how you have ONLY ONE "side", or ONE 'perspective' ONLY, and where you can ONLY fight FOR or AGAINST some things, ONLY. I QUESTION and/or CHALLENGE you people on BOTH "sides" you FIGHT each other OVER. Thus, I LOOK AT and SEE MORE, and the reason WHY I may well write MORE, or what you call MULTIPLE, posts in a thread than you do.

2. If you are NOT ABLE TO 'discern' what I SAY and WRITE, here, may well SAY MORE ABOUT 'you', than 'I'.

3. you, STILL, have NOT YET LEARNED that the REASON WHY you adult human beings are, STILL, NOT UNDERSTANDING each other, and, STILL, DISAGREEING WITH each other, which is what CAUSES the CONFLICTS, FIGHTING, WARS, and KILLINGS of EACH OTHER IS partly due TO DEBATING. Even 'walking away' TO AGREE TO DISAGREE leaves you beings IN RESENTMENT, which MORE, than would be hoped for, of you human beings then SEEK OUT REVENGE. ONCE MORE FOR the SLOW OF LEARNING, TO me, 'debating' is the VERY OPPOSITE of 'philosophizing'. And, WHY you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are SO, SO FAR BEHIND.

4. Are you REALLY SAYING and SUGGESTING that you, STILL, have NOT YET GAINED the ABILITY TO JUST 'skip some posts'?

Perhaps your IT chap, Borat I think his name is, could make some PHP adjustment to limit the amount of posts people put on notice (Age) can make per day. Perhaps that would make this fella, Age, use his posts more wisely and it would be a rather simple code adjustment.

TRYING TO SHUT DOWN 'others' WITH OPPOSING VIEWS OF yours, or 'those' WHO ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO CHALLENGE and QUESTION 'you', where you can NOT respond OPENLY and Honestly WITHOUT CONTRADICTING "yourself" is NOT CONDUCIVE TO A FIT and HEALTHY society.

your INABILITY TO COUNTER OR REFUTE what I SAY and CLAIM, here, does NOT MEAN that 'I' SHOULD BE SILENCED. What 'this' ACTUALLY MEANS is that you NEED TO RE-CONSIDER your OWN VIEWS and BELIEFS.

you CLAIM that it is 'I' who can NOT UNDERSTAND ANY of your posts, where what the ACTUAL Truth IS is that it IS 'you' who can NOT DISCERN and UNDERSTAND what I am JUST POINTING OUT and SHOWING, here.

Which MEANS 'what', EXACTLY?

Sincerely attempting the WILCO,
your friend the naughty boy
Brian.

[attofishpi]

Precisely.