Is Truth Value Merely an Occurence?

[Eodnhoj7]

If constructs determine truth values and there is no law as to what construct is determined as the standard then is truth value merely occurence?

[Impenitent]

truth is an extraneous value that only has worth in specific human constructions

the rock doesn't care if it is marble

-Imp

[Eodnhoj7]

truth is an extraneous value that only has worth in specific human constructions

the rock doesn't care if it is marble

-Imp

Saying the rock doesn't care is a truth value. The rock cannot be seperated from experience. Even saying "truth is an extraneous value" is subject to truth value.

[popeye1945]

Truth is the experience of the body and the processes of the mind. Truth is subjective, read personal, change the constitution of the body and/or the mind, and you change the body/mind experience, in doing so you change the organism's apparent reality. Truth experience is always true to the biology of the conscious subject. If the subject biology is impaired, its truth experiences will be true to that impairment. Truth is the valued experience of the body/mind.

[Impenitent]

truth is an extraneous value that only has worth in specific human constructions

the rock doesn't care if it is marble

-Imp

Saying the rock doesn't care is a truth value. The rock cannot be seperated from experience. Even saying "truth is an extraneous value" is subject to truth value.

no, the rock has no experience

-Imp

[Eodnhoj7]

truth is an extraneous value that only has worth in specific human constructions

the rock doesn't care if it is marble

-Imp

Saying the rock doesn't care is a truth value. The rock cannot be seperated from experience. Even saying "truth is an extraneous value" is subject to truth value.

no, the rock has no experience

-Imp

The rock is inseperable from experience, to say otherwise there would be no experience of a rock hence you could not say whether or not the rock exists as one only knows experience.

You claim the rock has no experience but this rock exists solely as an object of experience that is integrated with the observer as the experience itself. Without the rock you have no experience and without you the experience that is the rock ceases. Both subject and object are interdependent.

We only know internal and external experiences. To say something exists outside of experience is an experience and the statement becomes a paradox.

[Eodnhoj7]

Truth is the experience of the body and the processes of the mind. Truth is subjective, read personal, change the constitution of the body and/or the mind, and you change the body/mind experience, in doing so you change the organism's apparent reality. Truth experience is always true to the biology of the conscious subject. If the subject biology is impaired, its truth experiences will be true to that impairment. Truth is the valued experience of the body/mind.

If truth is purely subjective than there can be no agreed upon truths as one subjective state is different from another.

[Impenitent]

Saying the rock doesn't care is a truth value. The rock cannot be seperated from experience. Even saying "truth is an extraneous value" is subject to truth value.

no, the rock has no experience

-Imp

The rock is inseperable from experience, to say otherwise there would be no experience of a rock hence you could not say whether or not the rock exists as one only knows experience.

You claim the rock has no experience but this rock exists solely as an object of experience that is integrated with the observer as the experience itself. Without the rock you have no experience and without you the experience that is the rock ceases. Both subject and object are interdependent.

We only know internal and external experiences. To say something exists outside of experience is an experience and the statement becomes a paradox.

not quite

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf- ... el_Bat.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZbCctlll4 (starting about 4:35 about rocks but watch the whole thing for a good lecture on Nagel's work)

-Imp

[popeye1945]

Truth is the experience of the body and the processes of the mind. Truth is subjective, read personal, change the constitution of the body and/or the mind, and you change the body/mind experience, in doing so you change the organism's apparent reality. Truth experience is always true to the biology of the conscious subject. If the subject biology is impaired, its truth experiences will be true to that impairment. Truth is the valued experience of the body/mind.

If truth is purely subjective, then there can be no agreed upon truths as one subjective state is different from another.

Truth is what the body and mind tell you is your experience. The commonality of the species dictates that a healthy human specimen with the same sensory equipment has the same experience. Change the state of the body and you change the experience and thus the truth. Truth and experience are the same thing. The experience is always true to the state of the biology experiencing it, and not necessarily in agreement with the reality of the physical world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Truth value is indeed an occurrence, the occurrence is an experience. For greater insurance of what the common truth statement of society is, we are reminded of the statement, "Truth to the individual is experience, to the collective it is agreement. Assuming the collective is more likely to be the example of the health of the species.

[Eodnhoj7]

no, the rock has no experience

-Imp

The rock is inseperable from experience, to say otherwise there would be no experience of a rock hence you could not say whether or not the rock exists as one only knows experience.

You claim the rock has no experience but this rock exists solely as an object of experience that is integrated with the observer as the experience itself. Without the rock you have no experience and without you the experience that is the rock ceases. Both subject and object are interdependent.

We only know internal and external experiences. To say something exists outside of experience is an experience and the statement becomes a paradox.

not quite

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf- ... el_Bat.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZbCctlll4 (starting about 4:35 about rocks but watch the whole thing for a good lecture on Nagel's work)

-Imp

Last time I checked a rock is conceptual experience, even the senses are reduced to conceptualism by though and memory as what is currently sensed is always the past.

[Eodnhoj7]

Truth is the experience of the body and the processes of the mind. Truth is subjective, read personal, change the constitution of the body and/or the mind, and you change the body/mind experience, in doing so you change the organism's apparent reality. Truth experience is always true to the biology of the conscious subject. If the subject biology is impaired, its truth experiences will be true to that impairment. Truth is the valued experience of the body/mind.

If truth is purely subjective, then there can be no agreed upon truths as one subjective state is different from another.

Truth is what the body and mind tell you is your experience. The commonality of the species dictates that a healthy human specimen with the same sensory equipment has the same experience. Change the state of the body and you change the experience and thus the truth. Truth and experience are the same thing. The experience is always true to the state of the biology experiencing it, and not necessarily in agreement with the reality of the physical world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Truth value is indeed an occurrence, the occurrence is an experience. For greater insurance of what the common truth statement of society is, we are reminded of the statement, "Truth to the individual is experience, to the collective it is agreement. Assuming the collective is more likely to be the example of the health of the species.

Experience is the act of change as we only know transitions, what is experienced is inseperable from the relation of bodies.

[Impenitent]

The rock is inseperable from experience, to say otherwise there would be no experience of a rock hence you could not say whether or not the rock exists as one only knows experience.

You claim the rock has no experience but this rock exists solely as an object of experience that is integrated with the observer as the experience itself. Without the rock you have no experience and without you the experience that is the rock ceases. Both subject and object are interdependent.

We only know internal and external experiences. To say something exists outside of experience is an experience and the statement becomes a paradox.

not quite

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf- ... el_Bat.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZbCctlll4 (starting about 4:35 about rocks but watch the whole thing for a good lecture on Nagel's work)

-Imp

Last time I checked a rock is conceptual experience, even the senses are reduced to conceptualism by though and memory as what is currently sensed is always the past.

the point is that you have no idea what it is like to be a rock (it is beyond human comprehension)

-Imp

[popeye1945]

If truth is purely subjective, then there can be no agreed upon truths as one subjective state is different from another.

Truth is what the body and mind tell you is your experience. The commonality of the species dictates that a healthy human specimen with the same sensory equipment has the same experience. Change the state of the body and you change the experience and thus the truth. Truth and experience are the same thing. The experience is always true to the state of the biology experiencing it, and not necessarily in agreement with the reality of the physical world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Truth value is indeed an occurrence, the occurrence is an experience. For greater insurance of what the common truth statement of society is, we are reminded of the statement, "Truth to the individual is experience, to the collective it is agreement. Assuming the collective is more likely to be the example of the health of the species.

Experience is the act of change as we only know transitions, what is experienced is inseparable from the relation of bodies.

You got it! Experience is how energy, frequency and vibrations alter the state of our biology, giving experience as a biological readout of your apparent reality.

[Eodnhoj7]

not quite

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf- ... el_Bat.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZbCctlll4 (starting about 4:35 about rocks but watch the whole thing for a good lecture on Nagel's work)

-Imp

Last time I checked a rock is conceptual experience, even the senses are reduced to conceptualism by though and memory as what is currently sensed is always the past.

the point is that you have no idea what it is like to be a rock (it is beyond human comprehension)

-Imp

If it is impossible to know what it is to be a rock than how can you speak for whether or not a rock has experience or not?

[Eodnhoj7]

Truth is what the body and mind tell you is your experience. The commonality of the species dictates that a healthy human specimen with the same sensory equipment has the same experience. Change the state of the body and you change the experience and thus the truth. Truth and experience are the same thing. The experience is always true to the state of the biology experiencing it, and not necessarily in agreement with the reality of the physical world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Truth value is indeed an occurrence, the occurrence is an experience. For greater insurance of what the common truth statement of society is, we are reminded of the statement, "Truth to the individual is experience, to the collective it is agreement. Assuming the collective is more likely to be the example of the health of the species.

Experience is the act of change as we only know transitions, what is experienced is inseparable from the relation of bodies.

You got it! Experience is how energy, frequency and vibrations alter the state of our biology, giving experience as a biological readout of your apparent reality.

Biology is a byproduct of experience as it is a classification made by experience. Biology does not exist outside of experience. To say that it does puts it in the realm of experience and a paradox ensues.