Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:08 pm
seeds wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:12 pm
When you, Seeds, share your ideology and your perspective, it is as an activist for that view. When an idea is submitted — merely mentioned — that seems counter to your belovèd position, it excites your activism and lo! you appear, ready for battle, in glorious shimmering chainmail, and sporting a helmet with an ostrich feather (which I admire tremendously BTW).
Yes, like one of Pavlov's mutts, when I hear counters to my beloved position (and common sense), it's like hearing bells that cause my slobber/blabber glands to kick in. I can't help myself.🐶
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:08 pm So, whether you like or not, and whether you understand it or not, ideas are changing at a cultural level in Europe and America. And the issue of identity is definitely being discussed.
And what you don't seem to understand is that these ideas regarding "identity" (make that "identitarianism," because it's more funner) aren't changing fast enough. And that's because guys like you are trying to maintain the status quo of the "old paradigm."

I do believe that you may indeed have good intentions. Nevertheless, your misguided thinking and insistence that humans should remain forever divided based on race, ethnicity, national heritages/boundaries, religion, etc., is never going to prepare us earthlings for membership in the "Galactic Federation of Planets." :P

I mean, geez, how could neanderthalic humans (Trump supporters, for example) ever accept the existence of highly intelligent, but radically different looking phenotypes of beings who have evolved on other planets if we can't even accept the existence of the ever-so-slight (skin color, facial feature) differences between members of our own species?
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:08 pm The universalism of 1960s hippies is just one perspective. There are others and (having studied them) they have validity and relevance.
Hey man, don't be a downer.

I think it would be groovy and outa sight if after I get my paisley shirt, bell bottom trousers, blacklight posters, and incense out, and after we've smoked a nice fat doobie of Acapulco Gold, we can then rap about this bummer of a situation of why you want to impede humanity's transition into a "new paradigm" of global unity.

Can you dig what I'm sayin'?

(Speaking of the 60s, do your funny bone a favor and listen to this Firesign Theatre skit describing the arrival of the "True White Brother" from the perspective of Native Americans - https://youtu.be/wjNqlhPFc4Y )
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How to end the Ukraine war?

1. Ensure Putin that no former USSR state will be permitted membership into NATO.

2. Work out within Ukrainian borders, a buffer zone of Ukrainian territory with joint administration. Perhaps even hold a referendum for those within these areas with regards to methods of admin.

3. Maybe offer lifting of some sanctions on Russian products - such as energy.

4. Dunno.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:58 am How to end the Ukraine war?

1. Ensure Putin that no former USSR state will be permitted membership into NATO.

2. Work out within Ukrainian borders, a buffer zone of Ukrainian territory with joint administration. Perhaps even hold a referendum for those within these areas with regards to methods of admin.

3. Maybe offer lifting of some sanctions on Russian products - such as energy.

4. Dunno.
The Baltics are already NATO members.
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Alexiev wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:55 am
attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:58 am How to end the Ukraine war?

1. Ensure Putin that no former USSR state will be permitted membership into NATO.

2. Work out within Ukrainian borders, a buffer zone of Ukrainian territory with joint administration. Perhaps even hold a referendum for those within these areas with regards to methods of admin.

3. Maybe offer lifting of some sanctions on Russian products - such as energy.

4. Dunno.
The Baltics are already NATO members.
Oh, I wasn't aware.

Point 1 - no further membership.

Point 4 - maybe a lap dance for Putin from Trump's friend Stormy Daniels.
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Does Russia have to concede anything to end the Ukraine war?

It doesn't sound like it from what I'm hearing.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:18 pm Next are you gonna reveal that it was a Mossad op?
I don't know. I think it could have been an agreement between the Bush Jr. govt, Israel/Mossad, and the Western establishment (whoever the fuck they are / if they even exist). Or something like that. To my understanding, "draining the swamp" would mainly mean figuring out who were responsible for 9/11 and bringing them to justice / cleansing the Western world from their influence. Now you can see better why I think Trump isn't the right man for the job.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:28 am Does Russia have to concede anything to end the Ukraine war?

It doesn't sound like it from what I'm hearing.
That's right, Russia need concede nothing apart from perhaps that Putin is an arsehole, but I doubt that will happen.
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Atla wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:26 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:18 pm Next are you gonna reveal that it was a Mossad op?
I don't know. I think it could have been an agreement between the Bush Jr. govt, Israel/Mossad, and the Western establishment (whoever the fuck they are / if they even exist). Or something like that. To my understanding, "draining the swamp" would mainly mean figuring out who were responsible for 9/11 and bringing them to justice / cleansing the Western world from their influence. Now you can see better why I think Trump isn't the right man for the job.
See Graeme MacQueen “Peace, War And 9/11 Documentary Edit 2024”.

See Graeme MacQueen on “The Anthrax Deception” (a related Op that no one talks much about).
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As I have been trying to express: established ‘believed’ narratives have begun to crumble. That “crumbling” has entered the mainstream and now “mass man” deals with it, has his “two cents of opinion”, gets it “right”, gets it “wrong”.

No one is truly certain about what’s true, part-true, semi-false or all false.

Wartime …

And that is the condition we (all) face.

Ah except Alexiev of course … 🤩 All that Continental literature acts like metaphysics grounding. I’d sail on his ship as long as I saw the actual compass …
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No one is truly certain about what’s true, part-true, semi-false or all false.
There was never certainty.

But one can still use philosophy to identify what is most likely the truth.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:26 pm
No one is truly certain about what’s true, part-true, semi-false or all false.
There was never certainty.

But one can still use philosophy to identify what is most likely the truth.
Oh? Have you spent any time on a website called Philosophy Now?
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:51 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:26 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:18 pm Next are you gonna reveal that it was a Mossad op?
I don't know. I think it could have been an agreement between the Bush Jr. govt, Israel/Mossad, and the Western establishment (whoever the fuck they are / if they even exist). Or something like that. To my understanding, "draining the swamp" would mainly mean figuring out who were responsible for 9/11 and bringing them to justice / cleansing the Western world from their influence. Now you can see better why I think Trump isn't the right man for the job.
See Graeme MacQueen “Peace, War And 9/11 Documentary Edit 2024”.

See Graeme MacQueen on “The Anthrax Deception” (a related Op that no one talks much about).
I watched the first one, very good.

I think the level of "evil" done on 9/11 is actually inconceivable to most Americans (and most non-Americans). That's why it can remain hidden so well. Imo many Americans feel, know on some subconscious level that they were deceived and are constantly being lied to about something really big, but 9/11 and its implications is still on a scale that they couldn't believe.

So they attack what they can conceive, like finding fault with Obama and Biden. Trump is seen as their solution and Trump also fanaticizes them against his opponents.

Now it also should be said that imo Obama has NPD as well, a milder version than Trump, but in a sense he paved the way of putting the ultimate narcissist into the White house.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:12 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:26 pm
No one is truly certain about what’s true, part-true, semi-false or all false.
There was never certainty.

But one can still use philosophy to identify what is most likely the truth.
Oh? Have you spent any time on a website called Philosophy Now?
Yes I have.

And it's an excellent example of what philosophy isn't and how philosophizing isn't done.
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phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:36 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:12 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:26 pm
There was never certainty.

But one can still use philosophy to identify what is most likely the truth.
Oh? Have you spent any time on a website called Philosophy Now?
Yes I have.

And it's an excellent example of what philosophy isn't and how philosophizing isn't done.
I am — I say this sincerely, honestly and despite that you might think this is (just another) joke — the most rational, grounded, careful, and thorough thinker ON THIS ENTIRE FORUM.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:50 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:36 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:12 pm
Oh? Have you spent any time on a website called Philosophy Now?
Yes I have.

And it's an excellent example of what philosophy isn't and how philosophizing isn't done.
I am — I say this sincerely, honestly and despite that you might think this is (just another) joke — the most rational, grounded, careful, and thorough thinker ON THIS ENTIRE FORUM.
It's not a side-splitter by any means, but that post is sort of funny and it does benefit from that being the case whether you meant it to be or not. It's a lot better than the running joke about your email series.
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