The Bible

[Phil8659]

One of the things one should ask themselves is, in reference to the Bible, can one study it while in a provable state of illiteracy?
Or maybe what does the Bible hold for the illiterate and what does it hold for the literate?
Can any one, actually objectively study the Bible, who assumes they even know what the word God means?

Part of literacy is knowing the difference between the metaphorical and the literal. The more simple a mind is, the more that mind has literal expectations.

So, let me start over. The Bible is a book and as a Book, what does it have to offer the reader?

I have actually known people claiming to be ministers of the Bible while never having taken the trouble to even read it. IN fact, a great number of people claim to be of this or that Religion, yet do not, and often can not, even read. I find that kind of odd, claiming to be able to follow the so-called Word of God, yet cannot even follow the words to Spot, Dick and Jane children's stories. And naturally, those people claim that this state of affairs are reasonable. Personally, I, myself, would never have read it save for the fact that I was, kind of, asked to.

So, I was asked to, and despite my attitude towards religion, I decided to take a look.

I started with Genesis, and it did not take me long t toss the book at a wall and say rubbish. I was expecting something literal,
But as the Book bounced off the wall, I said, wait a minute, the book is metaphorical for I could see right away, that there were two stories of creation, one look good, and the other looked bad, but they were both saying the same thing. The two stories, together were saying something beyond good and evil.
The fact of the matter is, the story which looked good was actually evil, man was heaped up with gifts, giving a blessing, yet had not earned a damned thing Now, the other story, which looks evil, well the Serpent spoke in the name of the Lord, what he said came to pass, marriage was attained, and mankind learned what it was to become like God. It is only then were they let out of the Garden to Garden Life themselves.

The plain and obvious part of the text, Man was created to tend the Garden of Life, which is the whole earth. And when one gets to the end of the Book, in Revelation, it is repeated, that the aim was to destroy those who destroy the Earth.
Look at what mankind is doing to the planet today. Now look at all the hordes of nice religious people. They don't have to read, and they don't have to do their job. Religions are then, under this view, inherently evil.

Throughout the whole Book, one will find something repeated; that the Book is sealed to man's understanding, that mankind cannot even read that book. Now, most people say that is absurd, that they read all the time. But what level of reading, as written, will mankind be capable of doing the work he is made for? When mankind has learn judgment, i.e., the science of Grammar. A grammatical level which allows man to know right and wrong in regard to tending this whole planet.

It is by no means a simple book, and it is by no means an easy history for a savage to become civil. The message of the Bible, is a fundamental truth about mankind. We are evolving to become the salvation of life, of our own, of this planet. You don't wait for a savior, you teach yourself how to effect salvation of life.

I have no respect for organized religion, those that distort the truth of man and the work he is designed, by fact, to do.
I rate the Bible as a must have, for anyone dedicated to real philosophy, as defined by Plato. Plato was a grammar teacher, yet his work to, is yapped about by those who, in fact, cannot really read.
Literacy is the only job a mind has to do, and if mankind were literate, this world would not be headed for environmental collapse.

I think there is a real underlying hatred for religion and the Bible because 1, people flatter themselves that they are educated, and 2. It tells them they have to work for a living.

[godelian]

I think there is a real underlying hatred for religion and the Bible

I hate Christian doctrine because I do not believe that all my personal earnings should be considered marital earnings.

No other religion advocates that kind of aberrations. Only Christianity does.

So, indeed, I hate Christian marriage and civil marriage as well as its divorce-rape practices.

By corrupting and subverting State law, Christians impose their utterly imbecile Christian doctrine onto non-Christians.

Why would we have to accept this?

Therefore, the hatred of Christianity is justified. It is a detestable belief system that needs to be eradicated.

[Age]

I think there is a real underlying hatred for religion and the Bible

I hate Christian doctrine because I do not believe that all my personal earnings should be considered marital earnings.

No other religion advocates that kind of aberrations. Only Christianity does.

So, indeed, I hate Christian marriage and civil marriage as well as its divorce-rape practices.

By corrupting and subverting State law, Christians impose their utterly imbecile Christian doctrine onto non-Christians.

Why would we have to accept this?

Therefore, the hatred of Christianity is justified. It is a detestable belief system that needs to be eradicated.

EVERY one's HATRED of ANY thing is, always, 'justified', but ONLY, TO 'that one', and maybe a few others.

But, what can be actually JUSTIFIED, in Life, may well be some thing VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

Also, and by the way, if you were NOT a greedy and selfish human being, then the HATRED that you have, here, would NOT even exist. Therefore, your ATTEMPT in 'trying to' 'justify' your HATRED would NOT even be needed.

Where in "christianity", itself, is it claimed that your own personal earnings should be considered so-called 'marital earnings'?

[Age]

One of the things one should ask themselves is, in reference to the Bible, can one study it while in a provable state of illiteracy?

But, there is NOTHING TO so-call 'study', in the bible.

When one just discovers, or learns, and understands the 'Right way' to 'LOOK AT', and 'SEE', things, then 'the bible', like other human being created literature can be SEEN for what they REALLY MEAN.

Or maybe what does the Bible hold for the illiterate and what does it hold for the literate?

NOTHING DIFFERENT.

WHY would you or ANY one PRESUME otherwise?

Can any one, actually objectively study the Bible, who assumes they even know what the word God means?

1. Who and what the word 'God' is referring to, EXACTLY, which FITS IN, PERFECTLY, WITH ALL other words and what they are referring to, TO FORM A CRYSTAL CLEAR Picture of ALL-THERE-IS, is ALREADY KNOWN.

2. The Bible, like all other literature is NOT some thing that even needs to be so-called 'studied'. In fact it is partly, or even mostly, because you adult human beings 'look at', and/or 'study', things FROM 'preconceptions' WHY, in the days when this is being written, you adult human beings are, still, SO LOST and CONFUSED, here.

Part of literacy is knowing the difference between the metaphorical and the literal.

YET, as this forum SHOWS and PROVES there is NOT A one of you who 'knows the difference', ALWAYS.

And, LOL going on 'this one's' previous remarks it would, LAUGHINGLY, BELIEVE that it is 'one' who DOES 'know the difference between the metaphorical and the literal', ALWAYS.

Which is ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS considering what it has actually SAID and WRITTEN, here.

The more simple a mind is, the more that mind has literal expectations.

LOL 'This one' WILL PROVE that it does NOT YET even KNOW what the word 'mind' REFERS TO, EXACTLY, NOR even 'literally'.

So, let me start over.

'Starting' is one thing, being able to back up, support, elaborate, and clarify is another thing.

The Bible is a book and as a Book, what does it have to offer the reader?

I have actually known people claiming to be ministers of the Bible while never having taken the trouble to even read it.

Okay.

IN fact, a great number of people claim to be of this or that Religion, yet do not, and often can not, even read.

For your information very young children and babies are ASSIGNED A "religion", and OBVIOUSLY they can NOT read, YET.

But, OF COURSE, this would NOT INCLUDED you, right?

I find that kind of odd, claiming to be able to follow the so-called Word of God, yet cannot even follow the words to Spot, Dick and Jane children's stories.

LOL one NEVER has to be able to read a book, to be ABLE TO LISTEN, and HEAR.

And naturally, those people claim that this state of affairs are reasonable. Personally, I, myself, would never have read it save for the fact that I was, kind of, asked to.

Once again, the ATTEMPTING OF 'TRYING TO' PUT DOWN others, while, at the same 'time', 'TRYING TO' MAKE OUT that you ARE BETTER does NOT go UNNOTICED.

How about you get TO the ACTUAL POINT, here?

What does the book, the bible, have to offer 'the reader', ACCORDING TO "phil8659", anyway.

So, I was asked to, and despite my attitude towards religion, I decided to take a look.

What is your, supposed, attitude towards religion?

And, ONCE MORE, for the VERY SLOW OF LEARNING, READING or LISTENING FROM 'preconceptions' or FROM 'previously gained attitudes' IS NEVER EVER the WISEST NOR SMARTEST thing to do, in Life.

In fact, depending on the 'preconception/s' and/or 'attitudes' DO SO Is the MOST STUPIDEST and UNWISEST thing one can EVER DO.

So, from the outset, here, "phil8659", you are NOT off to the BEST START.

I started with Genesis, and it did not take me long t toss the book at a wall and say rubbish.

Therefore, 'this is SETTLED', for the rest of humanity, forever more.

I was expecting something literal,

Which just goes TO, literally, SHOW and PROVE READING and/or LISTENING from ALREADY PRECONCEIVED IDEAS is NOT the MOST WISEST and INTELLIGENT of things TO DO, AT ALL.

But as the Book bounced off the wall, I said, wait a minute, the book is metaphorical for I could see right away, that there were two stories of creation, one look good, and the other looked bad, but they were both saying the same thing. The two stories, together were saying something beyond good and evil.
The fact of the matter is, the story which looked good was actually evil, man was heaped up with gifts, giving a blessing, yet had not earned a damned thing Now, the other story, which looks evil, well the Serpent spoke in the name of the Lord, what he said came to pass, marriage was attained, and mankind learned what it was to become like God. It is only then were they let out of the Garden to Garden Life themselves.

BUT, you human beings, in the days when this is being written, STILL DO NOT YET even KNOW what 'God' is, EXACTLY, let alone been ABLE TO have learned what it was to become like God.

Surely, it IS OBVIOUS, to even the MOST UNWISE that one would have to KNOW what some thing IS, EXACTLY, BEFORE one could even LEARN what it would be 'like' TO BECOME 'like God'.

The plain and obvious part of the text, Man was created to tend the Garden of Life, which is the whole earth.

So, TO "phil8659" 'Life' does NOT EXTEND PAST just 'the earth', itself.

Also, some might be WONDERING if ONLY the males of the species, human, were 'created', to tend the WHOLE 'earth', THEN;

1. Who and what CREATED 'man'. And,

2. What even IS, 'The MEANING OF 'Life'?' which you CLAIM 'man' was CREATED TO tend to the GARDEN OF, EXACTLY?

And when one gets to the end of the Book, in Revelation, it is repeated, that the aim was to destroy those who destroy the Earth.

Well the ONLY thing in the Universe, which is DESTROYING 'the earth', itself, IS you adult human beings. So, TO "phil8659" anyway, 'the aim', which was set in place BY who and/or what has NOT YET been PROVIDED, is for you adult human beings TO BE DESTROYED.

Look at what mankind is doing to the planet today. Now look at all the hordes of nice religious people. They don't have to read, and they don't have to do their job. Religions are then, under this view, inherently evil.

Are you even REMOTELY AWARE of just HOW MUCH, and HOW QUICKLY, you JUMP FROM one claim and conclusion, TO another, WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY ACTUAL PROOF or SUPPORT FOR ANY of your CLAIMS and CONCLUSIONS?

Throughout the whole Book, one will find something repeated; that the Book is sealed to man's understanding, that mankind cannot even read that book.

BUT, A LOT OF you can READ 'the words' in the book, the bible. However, COMPREHENDING and UNDERSTANDING what was ACTUALLY INTENDED IN what was WRITTEN, being SAID, and MEANT is a WHOLE OTHER thing, here.

Now, most people say that is absurd, that they read all the time. But what level of reading, as written, will mankind be capable of doing the work he is made for?

Are you AWARE that you have just JUMPED OVER what you BELIEVE is the so-called 'work that mankind' is made for'?

Firstly, what IS the ACTUAL WORK, according TO "phil8659", EXACTLY?

And, if it REALLY IS TO DESTROY what IS DESTROYING earth, then do you REALLY BELIEVE that suicide and/or the KILLING of each of you adult human beings, by "yourselves", IS REALLY 'what' you older human beings were, what you call, 'made for'?

By the way WILL you ANSWER the QUESTION, 'Who and/or what MADE you human beings?'

If no, then WHY NOT?

If you REALLY WANT TO KEEP talking ABOUT you human beings being CREATED and/or MADE, then you MUST HAVE some sort of REASON FOR 'this', right?

When mankind has learn judgment, i.e., the science of Grammar.

WILL you EVER PRESENT ABSOLUTELY ANY thing, here, in this forum, that could even back up and support 'this CLAIM' of yours, here?

If no, then WHY NOT?

A grammatical level which allows man to know right and wrong in regard to tending this whole planet.

LOL NO human being HAS TO FIRST LEARN ABSOLUTELY ANY thing 'grammatical' AT ANY LEVEL to KNOW Right, and Wrong, in Life.

In Fact EVERY new born human baby KNOWS what IS ACTUALLY Right, AND Wrong, IN Life, and which ALL ARE 'TEACHING' you older ones HOW you can, ALSO, LEARN, and UNDERSTAND, what IS Right, AND Wrong, in Life, CONSCIOUSLY.

And, TO PROVE that you ARE YET TO LEARN, and KNOW, what IS ACTUALLY Right, and Wrong, in Life, one ONLY HAS TO JUST ASK you, 'What IS ACTUALLY Right, AND Wrong, in Life, "phil8659"?

After all you are THE 'one', here, CLAIMING TO HAVE WRITTEN 'encyclopedia' lengths of 'grammatical' STUFF ABOUT 'this'.

It is by no means a simple book, and it is by no means an easy history for a savage to become civil. The message of the Bible, is a fundamental truth about mankind.

you, like others, here, KEEP ALLUDING TO things, but NEVER ACTUALLY SAYING what 'those things' ARE, EXACTLY.

So, what IS the, supposed and claimed, 'fundamental truth about mankind', EXACTLY?

Did you SEE where I ASKED you, previously, here, if you have HEARD OF the saying',
'If you can not explain it simply, then you do not yet understand it well enough'?

I will suggest that you REMEMBER 'this saying' BEFORE you GO OFF CLAIMING TO ALREADY KNOW things, here.

We are evolving to become the salvation of life, of our own, of this planet.

If you REALLY LOOK, then you WILL FIND and UNCOVER that you human beings are NOT 'the so-called salvation', of 'life', AT ALL.

You don't wait for a savior, you teach yourself how to effect salvation of life.

you human beings CAN, (and WILL), SAVE "yourselves" FROM "yourselves", eventually. BUT, ONLY WHEN you adults START ADMITTING your Wrong DOINGS, START, or become, and remain, completely OPEN and Honest, and seriously START Wanting TO CHANGE, FOR 'the better'.

Then, and ONLY THEN, is WHEN True SALVATION BEGINS.

I have no respect for organized religion, those that distort the truth of man and the work he is designed, by fact, to do.

And, that is; 'the work', which you are YET TO INFORM ANY one OF, or ABOUT, here.

Also, who and/or what you have NO respect FOR, I, for One, do NOT CARE. Also NOTED IS your CONTINUED Wrong DOING BY NOT respecting others, and THE PROCESS in HOW they OBTAINED 'their VIEWS'.

Just for your information 'your Wrong views' WERE OBTAINED IN the EXACT SAME WAY EVERY one else's 'Wrong views' WERE OBTAINED.

I rate the Bible as a must have, for anyone dedicated to real philosophy, as defined by Plato. Plato was a grammar teacher, yet his work to, is yapped about by those who, in fact, cannot really read.

LOL you, STILL, have NOT PRODUCED one SINGLE SHRED of ANY ACTUAL 'thing', here.

All you are, ESSENTIALLY, 'TRYING TO' DO, here, is 'TRY TO' MAKE OUT that you are AS CLEVER, or if not MORE CLEVER, than those like "plato", and that you ARE HOLDING SOME 'secret truth', here.

Literacy is the only job a mind has to do, and if mankind were literate, this world would not be headed for environmental collapse.

But, it was BECAUSE you human beings LEARNED HOW TO read AND write, which LED UP TO and SPED UP the 'environmental damage', which ALL of you adult human beings HAVE CAUSED, and ARE CREATING, IN the days when this is being written.

Just being ABLE TO read and write 'things' will NOT, necessarily, STOP you adult human beings FROM DOING Wrong.

But, what ACTUALLY WILL is you human beings STOP DOING what you ARE, and JUST START LISTENING, and HEARING, here.

While you adult human beings CONTINUE TO BE GREEDY and SELFISH, while NOT BEING OPEN and HONEST and NOT WANTING TO CHANGE, FOR 'the better', FOR CHILDREN'S SAKE, then absolutely NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE, and, in fact, 'this world' WILL ONLY GET WORSE.

I think there is a real underlying hatred for religion and the Bible because 1, people flatter themselves that they are educated,

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Some of 'these people' WERE BLIND BEYOND COMPREHENSION.

LOL Have you ACTUALLY READ 'the words' that you WRITE, and EXPRESS, here, "phil8659"?

your 'superiority complex' with a complete 'condescending attitude' FOR and TOWARDS others, might only be OUTDONE by one other, here.

and 2. It tells them they have to work for a living.

The two, here, do NOT even LOGICALLY FOLLOW, WITH 'what this one thinks, here'.

[godelian]

Where in "christianity", itself, is it claimed that your own personal earnings should be considered so-called 'marital earnings'?

That is definitely one of the many imbecile Christian views:

https://www.faithfi.com/faithfi/should- ... renup-7148

In Genesis 2:24, God sets the foundation for marriage: "A man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh." Paul reinforces this principle in 1 Corinthians 7:4, reminding us that in marriage, even our bodies are not our own but belong to our spouse. This unity is central to God’s plan for a thriving marriage—there should be no "mine" or "yours," only "ours."

Marriage is also a covenant relationship, reflecting the bond between Christ and His Church (Ephesians 5:31-32). This covenant is built on love, sacrifice, grace, and mutual respect. In a Christ-centered marriage, everything is shared, and the relationship becomes a testimony of God’s love to the world.

Here again:

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family ... greements/

When a man and woman get married, they become one flesh. Yes, it’s about the body — but it also includes feelings, food, shelter, economics, possessions, and all the other things people need to survive in this world. To be one flesh is to share all of this in common.

Bottom line: Marriage should embrace every part of life — mental, emotional, moral, spiritual, economic, physical, and sexual. That merging of life and all that a husband and wife share in it is the best path for marriage.

I am not a Christian. Therefore, I do not believe that by having sex with a particular woman, it means that she can extract half of my assets on divorce or that she can use all my income in marriage. There is no other religion that advocates this. This aberration is unique to the imbecile Christian doctrine. You see, I hate Christianity for very good reasons.

[Age]

Where in "christianity", itself, is it claimed that your own personal earnings should be considered so-called 'marital earnings'?

That is definitely one of the many imbecile Christian views:

https://www.faithfi.com/faithfi/should- ... renup-7148

In Genesis 2:24, God sets the foundation for marriage: "A man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh." Paul reinforces this principle in 1 Corinthians 7:4, reminding us that in marriage, even our bodies are not our own but belong to our spouse. This unity is central to God’s plan for a thriving marriage—there should be no "mine" or "yours," only "ours."

Marriage is also a covenant relationship, reflecting the bond between Christ and His Church (Ephesians 5:31-32). This covenant is built on love, sacrifice, grace, and mutual respect. In a Christ-centered marriage, everything is shared, and the relationship becomes a testimony of God’s love to the world.

I do NOT SEE ANY reference to 'earnings', here.

What I DO NOTICE and SEE, however, is ANOTHER PRIME example of just HOW MUCH, HOW EASY, HOW SIMPLY, and HOW OFTEN adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, TURN 'things' AROUND TO BE ABOUT 'money' and in regards TO 'monetary gains and/or losses'.

Here again:

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family ... greements/

When a man and woman get married, they become one flesh. Yes, it’s about the body — but it also includes feelings, food, shelter, economics, possessions, and all the other things people need to survive in this world. To be one flesh is to share all of this in common.

Bottom line: Marriage should embrace every part of life — mental, emotional, moral, spiritual, economic, physical, and sexual. That merging of life and all that a husband and wife share in it is the best path for marriage.

ANY thing to do WITH being "christian-like", that is; 'child of God-like', or to even being 'God-like' has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH 'possessions', AT ALL.

'Two becoming together as one', as what the word 'marrying' and/or 'marriage' is referring to, EXACTLY, has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH the 'possessing' of absolutely ANY thing.

I am not a Christian.

Yes I KNOW. The word 'I' in the QUESTION, 'Who AM 'I'?' MEANS and REFERS TO something ELSE.

Therefore, I do not believe that by having sex with a particular woman, it means that she can extract half of my assets on divorce or that she can use all my income in marriage.

WHY do you think your OBVIOUSLY 'LOVE-OF-MONEY', and thus YOUR GREED, overshadows OTHER things, here, like LOVING and/or LIVING WITH others?

There is no other religion that advocates this.

But, what IS or IS NOT 'advocated' in so-called EACH and EVERY 'religion' just depends, SOLELY, on one's OWN views, perspectives, presumptions, or BELIEFS.

LOL What you SEE the so-called 'religion' of "christianity" 'advocates for' others DO NOT SEE AT ALL.

Also, your ABSOLUTE HATRED that your so-called 'ex wife' got some 'possessions', which you BELIEVE were 'yours' ALONE, is REALLY OVERSHADOWING NOT just what you SAY and WRITE, here, but ALSO your LIFE, and EXISTENCE, with those you live WITH 'currently', for the time being.

This aberration is unique to the imbecile Christian doctrine. You see, I hate Christianity for very good reasons.

LOL The ACTUAL WHY you ABSOLUTELY HATE what you DO, here, is BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.

And, that you can NOT LET GO of what REALLY IS the MOST TRIVIAL thing IN Life, and ABOUT LIVING, is ALSO ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS.

'Poor godelian" had to give 'a little bit of money' to another human being.

[godelian]

'Poor godelian" had to give 'a little bit of money' to another human being.

Actually, I didn't. She certainly tried, though. Look, if you want something from me, you will have to give me something in return. There is no such thing as a free lunch. So, don't try to get something for nothing because that does not work with me.

[Age]

'Poor godelian" had to give 'a little bit of money' to another human being.

Actually, I didn't. She certainly tried, though. Look, if you want something from me, you will have to give me something in return. There is no such thing as a free lunch. So, don't try to get something for nothing because that does not work with me.

That is right.

If ANY one, adult or even child, was looking for some one to save your life, then do you not call out to "godelian".

"godelian" will NOT help you, nor even save you from death, if it was NOT going to GET some thing FROM you.