Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

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Like half the world thinks that Trump a madman, it's not exactly a "me" problem. I don't think you have anything better to do btw, and healthy cats clean themselves.
I do not know what to make of Trump’s recent arrival and intense undertaking of his policies. I could post a few exclamations like “Holy crap!” or “Damn!”

And Trump definitely plays within the chaos-agent persona. But I don’t gather he is unhinged though certainly he is portrayed in that way.

But what I notice is the reaction. Up they crawl out of the sewers of opinion continuing, in essence, the same attack. The NYT’s is the AntiTrump Times. (Except a few semi-supportive articles get through).

I do not know how to characterize this immense opposition. But they do everything in their power to tear the man apart, and to describe in the most negative terms what he and his administration is doing.

It is not that criticism is bad, or unnecessary, but rather that it is all “playbook”.

I do not have enough understanding of this immense power-struggle to explain it.

I wish Atla would talk more about the development of his ideas about (against) Russia. I have of course heard them all. But can you be sure that the stance that you are taking is really “right”?
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Trump called Zelenskyy a dictator.

Four days ago Trump was asked by a reporter if he still believed that Zelenskyy was a "dictator" and he replied: "Did I say that? I can't believe I said that."

Trump renegotiated the free trade agreement between the US, Mexico and Canada in 2020.

Now he claims that Mexico and Canada are taking advantage of the US and he imposes insane 25% tariffs.

Trump Gaza. What can one say about it?

Haitians eating cats and dogs in the US.

It's a long list. Is this conduct appropriate to a president of the United States?
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:22 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 2:30 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 7:11 am Looks like Germany, France, the UK and other countries may already consider to spend a trillion euros on weapons and infrastructure. It's possible that now that after many decades the US no longer wants to play the watchdog of the planet, the European superpower will have to emerge to counter the Russian threat. This may actually be the worst possible outcome for Putin.
When has Europe ever amounted to a military "superpower"? Not since WW2, and not a good one.

It will be interesting to see if they can even organize themselves enough to stop fighting and decide what to do. I doubt they can, without resorting to totalitarianism. Their members are too fractious, and their languages, cultures and interests too diverse. Geographically, they're also wide open to invasion or nuclear destruction from the East. They'd need one heck of an arms program to bring themselves up to the levels they'd need to take on a nuclear superpower, and I doubt Putin would sit on his hands and watch that take shape.
The EU/NATO is countin' on US support. They don't and won't have it. RED MAN DEFIANT won't sign off on American blood and gold bein' wasted in or on Ukraine, and -- more importantly -- Americans won't send their kids or their cash to defend Ukraine.

Enough is enough.
I AGREE that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH in regards to "united states of american citizens" going into OTHER countries and BOMBING and MURDERING the "citizens" of OTHER countries.

One would also say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, ALSO, in regards to the "united states of america" designing, building, supplying, and selling more and more human being KILLING WEAPONS, around the world.

Now, I wonder if the "united states of america" will STOP the SUPPLY OF money, and WEAPONS and WILL STOP HELPING and SUPPORTING countries who ARE ATTACKING and MURDERING CHILDREN, like they have STOPPED HELPING and SUPPORTING the country which IS BEING ATTACKED, and which the "citizens", and CHILDREN, within ARE BEING BOMBED, and KILLED?

For reasons though I do NOT see that this WILL HAPPEN.

After all the 'current' "leader" of 'that country' only aligns "itself" with the ones with MORE money and MORE weapons, which is WHY it ONLY HELPS and SUPPORTS those IN 'war' who ARE ATTACKING and DESTROYING, and who ARE ACTUALLY KILLING and MURDERING CHILDREN, and 'OTHERS'.

That so-called "leader" does NOT and WILL NOT HELP and SUPPORT 'those' who are BEING ATTACKED. As "that leader" has ALREADY PROVED True.
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phyllo wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:03 am Trump called Zelenskyy a dictator.
There is a good deal of reporting, how fair and accurate it is I remain uncertain, that presents a very different picture of Zelensky the leader. If you look tor it you will find it.

My sources offer the explanation that the US provoked this conflict with Russia. Is that true? Can you consider it?

Seek out a Tucker Carlson interview with a (Jewish by the way) lawyer who defends traditional Christians in Ukraine. He talks about a hidden side of things, never reported in our lovely MSM.

I recommend listening to Jeffrey Sachs. Again: another picture that is never presented.

(Myself, I am 100% against the ridiculous Gaza proposal).
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phyllo wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:03 am
It's a long list. Is this conduct appropriate to a president of the United States?
I certainly see your point. As I pointed out to Atla: Steve Bannon describes Trump as “an armor-piercing shell”. Meaning that once the armor is pierced new political currents can enter. It seems to be happening.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:26 am
phyllo wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:03 am Trump called Zelenskyy a dictator.
There is a good deal of reporting, how fair and accurate it is I remain uncertain, that presents a very different picture of Zelensky the leader. If you look tor it you will find it.

My sources offer the explanation that the US provoked this conflict with Russia. Is that true? Can you consider it?

Seek out a Tucker Carlson interview with a (Jewish by the way) lawyer who defends traditional Christians in Ukraine. He talks about a hidden side of things, never reported in our lovely MSM.

I recommend listening to Jeffrey Sachs. Again: another picture that is never presented.

(Myself, I am 100% against the ridiculous Gaza proposal).
That's not my point.

It's the 180 degree reversal within days.

And the possibility that Trump isn't even aware of what he is saying. Or that he blurts things out on the spur of the moment. Or that he can't remember what he previously said.

Which is worse? ... intentional reversals or unintentional reversals.
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'If you want Peace, surrender'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9n7umdHo0
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phyllo wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:49 am And the possibility that Trump isn't even aware of what he is saying. Or that he blurts things out on the spur of the moment. Or that he can't remember what he previously said.

Which is worse? ... intentional reversals or unintentional reversals.
I am sure that he remembered what he said.

He often blurts. And one is left to interpret. I honestly wish he communicated like JD Vance.

I am watching things as they happen. As a friend said in a text this evening:
“We are going through a period where all the water seems to be running uphill…”
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:03 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:40 pm Freedom is not free. It has a cost.
Ukraine had its independence. The Democrats took it away, by provoking a war that didn't have to happen. The people of Ukraine are paying now for the loss of a freedom they should never have been deprived of.

LOL
LOL
LOL

'This one' is, LAUGHINGLY, 'now' 'TRYING TO' CLAIM that just ONE political party, which, 'coincidentally', is 'the party' that 'this one' is totally in OPPOSITION WITH, PROVOKED 'this war'.

Now, would there be ANY USE in ASKING 'this one' TO CLARIFY, and TO back up and support, HOW 'this CLAIM' of its, here, could even be POSSIBLY TRUE?
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:33 pm
henry quirk wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:22 pm The EU/NATO is countin' on US support. They don't and won't have it. RED MAN DEFIANT won't sign off on American blood and gold bein' wasted in or on Ukraine, and -- more importantly -- Americans won't send their kids or their cash to defend Ukraine.

Enough is enough.
As an aside: Americans aren't gonna bleed or pay to defend Taiwan either.

Again: enough is enough.
But, 'they' WLL PAY, and/or BLEED, FOR the BULLIES, AGGRESSORS, and ATTACKERS.

AGAIN, what "henry quirk" so, eloquently, POINTED OUT, and SHOWED, here, AGAIN, IS "donald trump" is NOT PREPARED TO HELP and SUPPORT 'those' who NEED HELP IN DEFENDING "themselves". But, 'that thing' WILL HELP and SUPPORT 'those' KILLING and MURDERING MOTHERS and CHILDREN in 'their quest' to TAKE OVER 'other people's' LANDS.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:53 pm Today we learned that the thing about Good v Evil is that good started it, so really it owes evil an apology.
WELL SPOTTED, and NOTED.
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Atla wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:31 pm
Age wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:22 am
Atla wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:31 am
Blatant liar Age pretends that it wasn't the one who brought up the issue of the US OBVIOUSLY not winning in Ukraine, and we are still waiting for Age to explain how it knows this. Age ran away from answering the question like 10 times already, it should be easy to explain it if it's obvious.

1. I have NEVER, EVER, PRETENDED that I was NOT the one who brought up the Fact that the "united states of america" is 'not winning' 'this war'.

2. you, and whoever else you reckon, WILL BE WAITING TILL "atla" CLARIFIES what 'this' IS, EXACTLY.

3. I have NEVER EVER RUN AWAY FROM ANY thing, here.

4. It IS FAR SIMPLER and FAR EASIER TO EXPLAIN some 'thing', when one INFORMS what the 'thing' IS, EXACTLY.

5. OBVIOUSLY I MADE, AT LEAST, THREE CLAIMS. So, IF "atla" EVER CLARIFIES what 'it' WANTS 'me' TO INFORM 'it' of HOW I KNOW, then "atla" WILL JUST CLARIFY.

But, "atla" does NOT WANT things TO CHANGE, here. "atla" OBVIOUSLY HAS AN AGENDA, which it is 'TRYING' its HARDEST TO ACCOMPLISH, and ACHIEVE, here. So, this IS WHY it does NOT CLARIFY things, here. its OWN GOAL, here, has DISABLED its ABILITY TO ANSWER, and CLARIFY, OPENLY and Honestly, here.
Once again a wall of shouting without answering the question.
you can KEEP 'TRYING', here, "atla" but your LIES and DECEPTIONS are fooling NO one, BUT, 'you'.
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phyllo wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:18 am 'If you want Peace, surrender'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9n7umdHo0
Putin is putting us all through hell because he doesn't want to let go of power in Russia. It's his existential war, no one else's. The only ones benefitting from the war are Russian oligarchs who ought to have been voted out of control. They should have been voted out of power decades ago. The Russian people are not in danger. Everyone is dying on the behalf of oligarchs. Humanity is doomed. What kind of God allows shit like this to happen?
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did you hear that?

Trump just said Zelensky sent him a letter saying he (Zelensky) and the people of Ukraine want to accept the cease fire deal...

-Imp
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:38 pm
Like half the world thinks that Trump a madman, it's not exactly a "me" problem. I don't think you have anything better to do btw, and healthy cats clean themselves.
I do not know what to make of Trump’s recent arrival and intense undertaking of his policies. I could post a few exclamations like “Holy crap!” or “Damn!”

And Trump definitely plays within the chaos-agent persona. But I don’t gather he is unhinged though certainly he is portrayed in that way.

But what I notice is the reaction. Up they crawl out of the sewers of opinion continuing, in essence, the same attack. The NYT’s is the AntiTrump Times. (Except a few semi-supportive articles get through).

I do not know how to characterize this immense opposition. But they do everything in their power to tear the man apart, and to describe in the most negative terms what he and his administration is doing.

It is not that criticism is bad, or unnecessary, but rather that it is all “playbook”.

I do not have enough understanding of this immense power-struggle to explain it.

I wish Atla would talk more about the development of his ideas about (against) Russia. I have of course heard them all. But can you be sure that the stance that you are taking is really “right”?
Trump is unhinged, we knew that well before his first presidency. You and IC can't see that because you two are also unhinged albeit differently. And yes my stance is right, as I said you don't know the Russians.

I live in a European country that has a long history with Russia, not interested in writing all down how my ideas developed.
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