Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

[Immanuel Can]

Americans are free to isolate themselves from the rest of the world because soon no one will want to talk to them, and subject themselves to the whims of a total madman president. Freedom!

So...you're arguing that America is better to be expansionist, and to interfere in the politics of other countries? I thought you Lefties were against colonialism...

So you seem to think that either a country is expansionist/interferes abroad, or isolates itself and succumbs to a total madman. Interesting false dichotomy.

Heh, . You're the one making the dichotomy, not me.

Why would we think one either had to be expansionist and interfering, or "isolate itself and succumb to a total madman?" What kinds of alternatives are those?

How about just not interfering with the rest of the world's military conquests, and attending to one's own domestic issues, or to international trade, or to cooperative diplomatic projects with allies?

And how about not robbing your own taxpayers blind to fund other countries' conflicts, or feeding your own nation's children into the meat-grinder of war?

[Atla]

So...you're arguing that America is better to be expansionist, and to interfere in the politics of other countries? I thought you Lefties were against colonialism...

So you seem to think that either a country is expansionist/interferes abroad, or isolates itself and succumbs to a total madman. Interesting false dichotomy.

Heh, . You're the one making the dichotomy, not me.

Why would we think one either had to be expansionist and interfering, or "isolate itself and succumb to a total madman?" What kinds of alternatives are those?

How about just not interfering with the rest of the world's military conquests, and attending to one's own domestic issues, or to international trade, or to cooperative diplomatic projects with allies?

And how about not robbing your own taxpayers blind to fund other countries' conflicts, or feeding your own nation's children into the meat-grinder of war?

Nope, you're the one who made the dichotomy. Also, doesn't Trump want to annex Canada, Greenland and the Gaza strip, wants to help Russia annex parts of Europe, and is also isolating himself from most of his allies, and is wrecking international trade?

[Immanuel Can]

So you seem to think that either a country is expansionist/interferes abroad, or isolates itself and succumbs to a total madman. Interesting false dichotomy.

Heh, . You're the one making the dichotomy, not me.

Why would we think one either had to be expansionist and interfering, or "isolate itself and succumb to a total madman?" What kinds of alternatives are those?

How about just not interfering with the rest of the world's military conquests, and attending to one's own domestic issues, or to international trade, or to cooperative diplomatic projects with allies?

And how about not robbing your own taxpayers blind to fund other countries' conflicts, or feeding your own nation's children into the meat-grinder of war?

Nope, you're the one who made the dichotomy.

No, see above.

Also, doesn't Trump...

You voted him in. You deal with him. He's not our problem: our problem is what America has done in Ukraine during the Biden years, and what it needs to do now.

[henry quirk]

Next up, HQ will give a lecture on natural rights (to defend his person, his liberty, and his property) which God has given to everyone.

It has been a while...would you like a lecture?

[henry quirk]

Europe also obviously has better tech than Russia. If we don't count the nukes then imo Europe could already beat Russia in a war and could produce an army several times stronger in the future.

Then Europe has no need for American blood or gold.

[Atla]

Heh, . You're the one making the dichotomy, not me.

Why would we think one either had to be expansionist and interfering, or "isolate itself and succumb to a total madman?" What kinds of alternatives are those?

How about just not interfering with the rest of the world's military conquests, and attending to one's own domestic issues, or to international trade, or to cooperative diplomatic projects with allies?

And how about not robbing your own taxpayers blind to fund other countries' conflicts, or feeding your own nation's children into the meat-grinder of war?

Nope, you're the one who made the dichotomy.

No, see above.

Also, doesn't Trump...

You voted him in. You deal with him. He's not our problem: our problem is what America has done in Ukraine during the Biden years, and what it needs to do now.

You're not even trying to make sense

[Immanuel Can]

Nope, you're the one who made the dichotomy.

No, see above.

Also, doesn't Trump...

You voted him in. You deal with him. He's not our problem: our problem is what America has done in Ukraine during the Biden years, and what it needs to do now.

You're not even trying to make sense

He's your guy. He was the result of the democratic process in your country. Don't complain to me about him.

[Atla]

Europe also obviously has better tech than Russia. If we don't count the nukes then imo Europe could already beat Russia in a war and could produce an army several times stronger in the future.

Then Europe has no need for American blood or gold.

And the US can mess with the Middle East and China alone.

[Atla]

No, see above.


You voted him in. You deal with him. He's not our problem: our problem is what America has done in Ukraine during the Biden years, and what it needs to do now.

You're not even trying to make sense

He's your guy. He was the result of the democratic process in your country. Don't complain to me about him.

Who said I was American?

[Immanuel Can]

You're not even trying to make sense

He's your guy. He was the result of the democratic process in your country. Don't complain to me about him.

Who said I was American?

Oh? So you're now complaining about somebody else's democratic process? Is that what you want me to believe?

[henry quirk]

And the US can mess with the Middle East and China alone.

Your terms are acceptable.

[Atla]

He's your guy. He was the result of the democratic process in your country. Don't complain to me about him.

Who said I was American?

Oh? So you're now complaining about somebody else's democratic process? Is that what you want me to believe?

I don't think highly of democracy in general (in its current form). Btw don't you spend most of your waking hours complaining about the Democrats in the US?

[Immanuel Can]

Who said I was American?

Oh? So you're now complaining about somebody else's democratic process? Is that what you want me to believe?

I don't think highly of democracy in general (in its current form).

Well, that's still a "you" problem, not an "us" problem.

[Atla]

Oh? So you're now complaining about somebody else's democratic process? Is that what you want me to believe?

I don't think highly of democracy in general (in its current form).

Well, that's still a "you" problem, not an "us" problem.

Well the inevitable conclusion of idiocracy will be that we'll blow up the planet, so it's kinda an "us" problem. Anyway, as you were.

[Immanuel Can]

I don't think highly of democracy in general (in its current form).

Well, that's still a "you" problem, not an "us" problem.

Well the inevitable conclusion of idiocracy will be that we'll blow up the planet, so it's kinda an "us" problem. Anyway, as you were.

It's not an "us" problem if "we" can't do anything about it. So if you're not an American, stop complaining about something that's got nothing to do with you; and if you are an American, stop complaining about what your own democratic process gave you.

And if you're an authoritarian, go away.