Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

[Atla]

And Russia told the US that "There are no plans or intentions to attack Ukraine", but as far as I know that wasn't a formal agreement either.

Well, you poke the bear, you get bitten. And Biden sure poked the bear.

So did the Republicans, looks like Putin started his own wars after the Bush Jr. governments created a precedent by starting several wars in the 2000s (yes with bipartisan support initially).

[Age]

Oh. So...no evidence, just an opinion?

You write all sort of stuff which is clearly just your opinion and is not supported by any evidence.

Not really. And I don't get offended when anybody asks me how I know something.

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you might not get offended, but then you do not respond as well.

I'm not sure whether or not that's true. But if so, why should he be? He's no longer the elected representative of Ukraine: he shut down their elections. He's now an autocrat.

Oh. What nonsense.

It's just the truth. He did it again, just 4 days ago, in fact.

But Putin can participate because ???

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia.

Well considering the irrefutable fact that this 'current' war and fighting, thus not peace, was started by "russia", it is very obvious that there is not going to be any peace without "russia". It obviously stands to reason, that until "russia" stops bombing and attacking another country there will obviously not be any peace.

But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

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So, EVERY one has NO power, unless only the "united states of america" gives 'power' to them. Well according to "immanuel can" anyway. "europe", "china", nor anyone else could give and provide 'power' to "ukraine".

Some people really could not get more blind and more closed and stupid, here.

[Age]

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia. But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

Well that's Putin's and Trump's philosophy. Power is everything.

Only people with power matter, only nations with power matter. All others are "unnecessary".

Some people, laughingly, actually believe that 'weapons and money' is power.

How Wrong these people, really, are.

[Age]

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia. But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

Well that's Putin's and Trump's philosophy. Power is everything.

It's the reality of war.

This one really does have a lot more to learn, here.

What do you think Zelensky's got going for him?

The majority of human beings.

Most people do not like witnessing and watching 'human beings' being bullied, and attacked. Especially by those who are bigger and/or have more money and/or more weapons.

He's only in power because he suspended the democratic process himself. Was that not an exercise of power?

And, you know this how, exactly?

you CLAIM that you do not get offended, but let 'us' see if you will respond, as well.

you will NOT answer and clarify HOW you 'know this'. It is, obviously, just your opinion and not supported by any evidence. As you will prove me True, here, once more.

How do you know that it would not have been voted in, again?

[Age]

A short primer on the history of the Ukraine issue, by a former Democrat star:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNC3N93YYNE

Is 'that link' meant to be fighting FOR or AGAINST your view and position, here?

[Age]

The US/Western bloc and the Russians/SU have been lying to each other for over 40 years during the Cold war, deception is a basic part of warfare. It's even mildly funny imo that the loser later complains about a deception (intentional or unintentional at the time) that wasn't even part of a formal treaty.

But, 'who' is 'the loser', here, exactly?

Obviously the "united states of america" is not and can not win, so it is 'losing' and 'the loser', here. Thus, why "donald trump" wants to just 'give up' and 'hand over' "ukraine" to "russia".

The "united states of america" can not beat "russia", here.

[Age]

The US/Western bloc and the Russians/SU have been lying to each other for over 40 years during the Cold war, deception is a basic part of warfare. It's even mildly funny imo that the loser later complains about a deception (intentional or unintentional at the time) that wasn't even part of a formal treaty.

Gorbachev was a reformist and tried to make peace with the West. It's a shame we seem to be back in a cold war with Russia again.

If the so-called "west", which obviously includes "united states of america" had just stopped moving east, then "russia" would not have done what they have.

So, if you human beings are back in a so-called 'cold war', then this is because you adult human beings just did not STOP "yourselves" from trying to show 'your power' OVER others.

[Age]

The US/Western bloc and the Russians/SU have been lying to each other for over 40 years during the Cold war, deception is a basic part of warfare. It's even mildly funny imo that the loser later complains about a deception (intentional or unintentional at the time) that wasn't even part of a formal treaty.

Gorbachev was a reformist and tried to make peace with the West. It's a shame we seem to be back in a cold war with Russia again.

Imo the majority of the Russians with their too barbaric mentality weren't ready for Gorbachov, they still wouldn't be today. He was given no state funeral and Putin didn't attend it.

LOL It is like 'this one' actually BELIEVES, ABSOLUTELY, that different groups of people are born with particular mentalities, like, for example, some so-called 'too barbaric mentality'.

[Immanuel Can]

And Russia told the US that "There are no plans or intentions to attack Ukraine", but as far as I know that wasn't a formal agreement either.

Well, you poke the bear, you get bitten. And Biden sure poked the bear.

So did the Republicans...

Not in this case.

[Age]

Well, you poke the bear, you get bitten. And Biden sure poked the bear.

On the other hand, why isn't the Christian God poking Putin? Perhaps for the same reason he didn't poke Hitler? Or Stalin? Or Pol Pot?

Are you AWARE that there is NO such thing as A "he" God?

But, the reason why God, itself, does not 'intervene' is because you human beings are absolutely free to do absolutely any thing you like.

And, the reason for this is because you human beings learn best from and by 'your mistakes'.

See, there is NO rush NOR hurry AT ALL for God, Itself. There is no actual 'time' in eternity. So, it does not matter how long it takes a species, with intelligence, to learn from their mistakes, in order to live in peace and harmony, together, as One, (as it is heaven). And, it also does not matter, one iota, if A species wipes itself out completely, before they learn by and from 'their mistakes', because in eternity another species, with intelligence, WILL evolving into being created.

And, this is why 'I' do NOT 'poke', here.

[Atla]

The US/Western bloc and the Russians/SU have been lying to each other for over 40 years during the Cold war, deception is a basic part of warfare. It's even mildly funny imo that the loser later complains about a deception (intentional or unintentional at the time) that wasn't even part of a formal treaty.

But, 'who' is 'the loser', here, exactly?

Obviously the "united states of america" is not and can not win, so it is 'losing' and 'the loser', here. Thus, why "donald trump" wants to just 'give up' and 'hand over' "ukraine" to "russia".

The "united states of america" can not beat "russia", here.

And just how do you know that? If the US would continue its support for Ukraine and Europe would increase its support, Russia could be stopped at least, maybe eventually even pushed back. Continuing to bleed out Russia in Ukraine, while not investing as much into the conflict as Russia, would be a strategic win for the US. But now Trump is trying to force both Ukraine and the US to lose.

[Atla]

Well, you poke the bear, you get bitten. And Biden sure poked the bear.

So did the Republicans...

Not in this case.

Yes, also in this case.

[Age]

We'll never know. Zelensky did not negotiate, or even show willingness to be grateful to the US for what it had already done. He was rude and attempted to lecture. Very, very foolish behaviour. A little humility would have left him a place at the table; now he's excluded himself.

It's the people of Ukraine who will suffer for his hubris.

Spoken like a true Trumper...an outstanding cult member of the tribe!

Can't be. I didn't even mention Trump. He's your obsession, not mine. I don't even live in his country.

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one does not have to live, nor be, in a country to follow and support another human beings ideas and views.

No, I'm talking about Zelensky, and about what his incompetence and foolishness is going to result in...the continued killing of Ukrainians, whereas he could be working on a peace deal.

And, EVERY war that EVERY country has been in and/or caused, the people within those countries could have been working on a 'peace deal' instead, as well.

In fact if the people in ANY country did not go to war, then NO 'peace deal' would have even been needed, in 'the beginning'.

But I suspect he doesn't want one: he's making too much money reselling American arms at 20% of their value, on the black market right now.

So, imagine how much money "americans" are making by selling "american arms" at 100%?

He just wants that gravy train to keep rolling, so he has no interest in peace...and even less in democracy.

Yes 'this' is right. 'That person' is just 'sitting there', WAITING for "russia" to finally BOMB its home completely off the planet.

As ALL of those who are being BULLIED and ATTACKED WANT, and WISH FOR.

Really 'who' are you 'trying to' FOOL, here, "immanuel can"?

All one has to do is just PRESENT, here, what the ACTUAL 'peace deal' being offered is, EXACTLY,, and let 'us' see who, here, would sign 'that peace deal', from each and all "sides".

[Age]

Spoken like a true Trumper...an outstanding cult member of the tribe!

Can't be. I didn't even mention Trump. He's your obsession, not mine. I don't even live in his country.

No, I'm talking about Zelensky, and about what his incompetence and foolishness is going to result in...the continued killing of Ukrainians, whereas he could be working on a peace deal. But I suspect he doesn't want one: he's making too much money reselling American arms at 20% of their value, on the black market right now. He just wants that gravy train to keep rolling, so he has no interest in peace...and even less in democracy.

...and how do you know all that? What you're saying is that Putin and Trump are the real peacemakers, while Zelensky is just in it for the money! You're an outstanding Putin/Trump propagandist. So, again what's the source for your assertions?

Remember "immanuel can" will not get 'offended' by you asking, here, but it will certainly NOT answer and clarify.

[Age]

The US/Western bloc and the Russians/SU have been lying to each other for over 40 years during the Cold war, deception is a basic part of warfare. It's even mildly funny imo that the loser later complains about a deception (intentional or unintentional at the time) that wasn't even part of a formal treaty.

But, 'who' is 'the loser', here, exactly?

Obviously the "united states of america" is not and can not win, so it is 'losing' and 'the loser', here. Thus, why "donald trump" wants to just 'give up' and 'hand over' "ukraine" to "russia".

The "united states of america" can not beat "russia", here.

And just how do you know that?

If you would like for me to answer and clarify this clarifying question, here, then you will have to be far more specific in relation to what the 'that' word is in relation to, exactly.

If the US would continue its support for Ukraine and Europe would increase its support, Russia could be stopped at least, maybe eventually even pushed back. Continuing to bleed out Russia in Ukraine, while not investing as much into the conflict as Russia, would be a strategic win for the US. But now Trump is trying to force both Ukraine and the US to lose.