Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

[phyllo]

Oh. So...no evidence, just an opinion?

You write all sort of stuff which is clearly just your opinion and is not supported by any evidence.

I cut you a fair amount of slack as do others. Let's not play some BS game here.

I'm not sure whether or not that's true. But if so, why should he be? He's no longer the elected representative of Ukraine: he shut down their elections. He's now an autocrat.

Oh. What nonsense.

But Putin can participate because ??? He's not an autocrat. He didn't rig the elections in Russia.

[Alexis Jacobi]

"Sentimentality" is mostly what I have to go on. I'm not an analyst or politician. I can only place my physical being into the fray and react as I would react (based on the information available) as though my own life depended upon peace. I am not an indifferent object looking in from the outside. People are not "statistics" to me.

Analysis from sentiment, it seems to me, will inhibit one from understanding how things actually work.

I mention your feeling posture not to criticize it, but to propose that it is not a sufficient tool of analysis.

It seems to me you’ll be forever disappointed and also pained by reality which operates according to different laws and rules.

[Immanuel Can]

Oh. So...no evidence, just an opinion?

You write all sort of stuff which is clearly just your opinion and is not supported by any evidence.

Not really. And I don't get offended when anybody asks me how I know something.

I'm not sure whether or not that's true. But if so, why should he be? He's no longer the elected representative of Ukraine: he shut down their elections. He's now an autocrat.

Oh. What nonsense.

It's just the truth. He did it again, just 4 days ago, in fact.

But Putin can participate because ???

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia. But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

[Gary Childress]

"Sentimentality" is mostly what I have to go on. I'm not an analyst or politician. I can only place my physical being into the fray and react as I would react (based on the information available) as though my own life depended upon peace. I am not an indifferent object looking in from the outside. People are not "statistics" to me.

Analysis from sentiment, it seems to me, will inhibit one from understanding how things actually work.

I mention your feeling posture not to criticize it, but to propose that it is not a sufficient tool of analysis.

It seems to me you’ll be forever disappointed and also pained by reality which operates according to different laws and rules.

In defense of my position: I am a weak and frail man who's never been truly challenged in life in the same way some have. I've had an easy life from a pure physicalist/materialist perspective. I don't have the luxury of being able to conscientiously sit back and watch other people go through hardship and not feel hypocritical or remorse for being indifferent to it.

[phyllo]

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia. But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

Well that's Putin's and Trump's philosophy. Power is everything.

Only people with power matter, only nations with power matter. All others are "unnecessary".

[Alexis Jacobi]

I don't have the luxury of being able to conscientiously sit back and watch other people go through hardship and not feel hypocritical or remorse for being indifferent to it.

You are naturally free to make the choices that suit you.

What I previously said still applies.

[Age]

He DID ask for that: not during his conversation with the US president yesterday, but all along. And no part of his conversation yesterday suggested he wanted less now, either.

I hope you're right...that he's more sensible. But there's no indication from his conduct yesterday that he has any sense at all.

Zelenskyy was prepared to sign the mineral deal if he got security guarantees.

Apparently, the "guarantees" he was expecting included total victory and revenge.

Trump is not willing to guarantee anything.

We'll never know. Zelensky did not negotiate, or even show willingness to be grateful to the US for what it had already done. He was rude and attempted to lecture. Very, very foolish behaviour. A little humility would have left him a place at the table; now he's excluded himself.

It's the people of Ukraine who will suffer for his hubris.

LOL This is ANOTHER PRIME example of just HOW SIMPLY and EASY some people can be COMPLETELY and UTTERLY, what is Wrongly worded and called, 'BRAINWASHED'.

But, I guess BELIEVING, absolutely, that a male gendered person, or being, created EVERY thing was ENOUGH PROOF, in and of itself, just HOW SIMPLY and EASILY some people REALLY CAN BE TRICKED, FOOLED, and DECEIVED.

[Gary Childress]

I don't have the luxury of being able to conscientiously sit back and watch other people go through hardship and not feel hypocritical or remorse for being indifferent to it.

You are naturally free to make the choices that suit you.

What I previously said still applies.

What you said is of little importance to me for reasons I've stated.

[Immanuel Can]

He has power. You're not going to get any peace without Russia. But Zelensky's entirely unnecessary. His only power is whatever the US gives him, and no more.

Well that's Putin's and Trump's philosophy. Power is everything.

It's the reality of war. What do you think Zelensky's got going for him? He's only in power because he suspended the democratic process himself. Was that not an exercise of power?

[Age]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4bkXGLsXd84

LOL

It is FUNNY watching one of the he MOST 'INSECURE', and thus one of the WEAKEST, human beings saying, 'I can be tougher than ANY human being'.

What is also HILARIOUS IS CLAIMING to be NOT ALIGNED WITH ANY body and to be ALIGNED WITH the "united states of america", WITH 'the world', AND, WITH "europe", and NOT SEE, UNDERSTAND, and COMPREHEND, AT ALL ANY of the ABSOLUTE HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTION IN SAYING, and CLAIMING, 'this'.

And 'this' was even before it spoke for just one minute. I, have, also, LEFT OUT some of the OTHER Wrong and ABSURD things it SAID, WITHIN that one, ONLY, minute.

So, than you "henry quirk" for linking 'us' to MORE footage of just how DELUDED and DERANGED 'that one' REALLY IS. The rest of that footage might well REVEAL even MORE INSANITY.

[Age]

Apparently, the "guarantees" he was expecting included total victory and revenge.

No, that's an absurd distortion.

"immanuel can" is an EXPERT at ATTEMPTING TO DISTORT, and OF DEFLECTING AWAY FROM, the ACTUAL Truth of things.

We'll never know.

Zelenskyy asked and Trump offered him no security guarantees.

The ONLY REAL 'deal' "donald trump" is WANTING, here, is that it GETS TO OBTAIN the 'monetary wealth' from the 'mineral deposits' within the land IN "ukraine". "donald trump" is NOT interested in guaranteeing ANY thing NOR in DEALING IN ANY thing ELSE.

If this means ALLOWING "vladimir putin" to just TAKE CONTROL OVER some of 'the lands' WITHIN the "ukraine" borders, as well as ATTEMPTING TO RIDICULE and HUMILIATE "volodymyr zelenskyy" TO just ACCEPT HANDING OVER some land TO ANOTHER country or person, AFTER "ukraine" was ATTACKED and MANY of it citizens KILLED and MURDERED BY BOMBS, the 'this' IS what "donald trump" would and WILL DO to just TRY TO OBTAIN MORE 'monetary wealth'.

"donald trump" has absolutely NO INTEREST AT ALL IN ANY one else s lives, it is SOLELY INTERESTED IN 'self' a TINY numbers of 'others' AND IN OBTAINING and GAINING AS MUCH 'monetary wealth' FOR those FEW, ONLY.

And, what Is Truly FUNNY and HILARIOUS TO WATCH and OBSERVE, here, is "donald trump", and its allies, 'TRYING TO' CRITICIZE "volodymyr zelenskyy" FOR JUST STANDING UP and CONTINUING TO FIGHT AFTER the country that it lives IN WAS ATTACKED BY 'others'.

And the LANGUAGE and CLAIMS that IS GETTING USED, BY "donald trump" and its allies, IS BEYOND ABSOLUTE ABSURDITY and IRRATIONALITY. 'they' ARE EXPECTING "volodymyr zelenskyy" TO just GIVE UP, and SURRENDER.

LOL 'they' SPEAK as though 'they' WOULD just GIVE UP, and SURRENDER, "themselves", AFTER 'they' WERE ATTACKED.

Which going ON 'their' INSECURITIES and WEAKNESSES may well be, EXACTLY, what they WOULD DO. 'they' have, OBVIOUSLY, SHOWN, and PROVED, they 'they' NOT FIGHT and WIN THROUGH LOGIC, and RATIONALITY..

[Alexis Jacobi]

What you said is of little importance to me for reasons I've stated.

Then you are a moron and you shall be whipped!

Kidding of course! You make your own choices — for reasons you’ve stated.

If I understand you correctly you believe that sitting back like some bourgeois in a reclining chair and watching people suffering & dying & going through hardship while you in a manner of speaking are sitting pretty would make you feel “hypocritical”. And so remorse or perhaps guilt (?) excites you to feel certain sentiments, and these sentiments are expressed in your political analysis. I think I got it.

I can’t see how you could make your position more clear than that.

[iambiguous]

Next up: Trump offering peace in Gaza: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/26/politics ... rks-debate

[phyllo]

Trump Gaza

A golden statue of Trump.

The meaning will not go unnoticed.

[Immanuel Can]

A short primer on the history of the Ukraine issue, by a former Democrat star:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNC3N93YYNE