common misconception about same sex marriage

[ThinkOfOne]

Statistically, homosexuality is harmful - STDs, AIDS/HIV, mental illness, drug use etc. Laws (ie redefining marriage) should not encourage behavior known to be harmful.

And, society has a vested interest in unions which produce more society. Obviously not all man/woman marriages produce children. But children can only come from the union of a man & a woman. So this is why marriage between a man and a woman has served the purpose to help society (especially children). What benefit is it to society to honor harmful behavior between 2 people who engage in disordered imitations of sex?

By the same token, you can claim that heterosexuality is harmful.

Actually, it would be much more beneficial for the overall population to GREATLY decrease.

Seems your views are driven by bigotry rather than sound reasoning.

[carlafeit]

The OP, back in 2013 (why is this thread still alive?) made a very straightforward statement - that contrary to popular belief, proponents of same-sex marriage are not advocating people being forced to same-sexy marry.

Odd that something that trivially factual is causing so much angry posting.

[accelafine]

I don't see any

[Perspective]

Statistically, homosexuality is harmful - STDs, AIDS/HIV, mental illness, drug use etc. Laws (ie redefining marriage) should not encourage behavior known to be harmful.

And, society has a vested interest in unions which produce more society. Obviously not all man/woman marriages produce children. But children can only come from the union of a man & a woman. So this is why marriage between a man and a woman has served the purpose to help society (especially children). What benefit is it to society to honor harmful behavior between 2 people who engage in disordered imitations of sex?

By the same token, you can claim that heterosexuality is harmful.

Actually, it would be much more beneficial for the overall population to GREATLY decrease.

Seems your views are driven by bigotry rather than sound reasoning.

Seems you’re incapable of logic, and maybe not even aware of the fallacies you committed, ie ad hominem attacks, red herring, tu quoque. But it’s understandable when you’re trying to argue what can easily be proven as lies. It’s like trying to argue that unicorns exist and are essential to society.

[ThinkOfOne]

Statistically, homosexuality is harmful - STDs, AIDS/HIV, mental illness, drug use etc. Laws (ie redefining marriage) should not encourage behavior known to be harmful.

And, society has a vested interest in unions which produce more society. Obviously not all man/woman marriages produce children. But children can only come from the union of a man & a woman. So this is why marriage between a man and a woman has served the purpose to help society (especially children). What benefit is it to society to honor harmful behavior between 2 people who engage in disordered imitations of sex?

By the same token, you can claim that heterosexuality is harmful.

Actually, it would be much more beneficial for the overall population to GREATLY decrease.

Seems your views are driven by bigotry rather than sound reasoning.

Seems you’re incapable of logic, and maybe not even aware of the fallacies you committed, ie ad hominem attacks, red herring, tu quoque. But it’s understandable when you’re trying to argue what can easily be proven as lies. It’s like trying to argue that unicorns exist and are essential to society.

Let's see if you can back your claims up.

You claim that what I'm "trying to argue what can easily be proven as lies". Prove it.

You claim that I'm "incapable of logic". Prove it.

[Perspective]

Let's see if you can back your claims up.

You claim that what I'm "trying to argue what can easily be proven as lies". Prove it.

You claim that I'm "incapable of logic". Prove it.

Let’s see if you can figure it out all by yourself.

[ThinkOfOne]

Let's see if you can back your claims up.

You claim that what I'm "trying to argue what can easily be proven as lies". Prove it.

You claim that I'm "incapable of logic". Prove it.

Let’s see if you can figure it out all by yourself.

You claim that It's "easily proven", yet you are unable to do so. The fact is that you're wrong. Instead, you try a childish ploy to shift the burden of proof. Most likely you know that you're wrong; that you're just a troll.

[Perspective]

Those who argue against facts like body organs, don’t have much logic to stand on, so they tend to resort to ad hominem attacks like “troll” whenever someone states a fact they don’t like.

You or others who influenced you, were taught this indoctrination…

The following are some quotes and admissions of mind control from its homosexual activist authors from 1989 "After the Ball..."

*"The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153)

*“Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation than upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162)

*Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

*"The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference" (page 153)

*”The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

*“Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

*"Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them" (page 221);

*"The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190

*"It is acceptable to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

*"Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with EITHER social tolerance OR gruesome cruelty";

"All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)"

*"In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186)

*"Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207)

*"Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media" (page 213)

*"Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities" (page 219)

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[Perspective]

2 reasons:

Freedom, obviously, matters. A government telling you they don't want you having sex with women because they've determined it's not healthy enough probably wouldn't please you very much. You expect gay people to just accept it? Would YOU accept it?

The second thing is, being homosexual is not like this choice you can just turn on and off. Gay guys can't just wake up one day and decide to be attracted to women.

Prohibition of homosexuality, as far as I can tell, does far more harm than would be prevented by making it illegal. Sure, maybe there's less aids, but now there's a lot more people miserable in their lives because they have to pretend to be straight, or just be alone all their lives. If you had to choose between a risk of aids, vs perpetual loneliness and dissatisfaction, would you really choose the loneliness? And you would force that choice also on all the gay people in the world, instead of giving them the freedom to choose for themselves?

Sorry, I missed some posts until now.

Government is not telling anyone to have it not have certain sexual fetishes etc. Where did you get that idea - trying to distract (red herring)?

Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior. The APA defined it as a disorder. The natural order is a man and a woman - which produced each of us. Research shows that homosexuality tends to develop after sexual abuse in childhood. Men who develop homo preferences have also been known to have lacked a good father - their father may have been absent or passive along with a smothering mother.

[Perspective]

The biggest question is why they even want to. What a waste of time and money. Might as well just marry yourself. Far less complicated and the divorce is a lot less messy. Marriage has always been a contract between outside interests and about ownership of women-- hence the 'giving away' of the bride.

Interesting thought - “giving away the bride” - hadn’t considered that before.

[Perspective]

I didn't realise this tread was so old. How the heck did it appear from the catacombs again?

Sorry if there’s a rule against it.
I don’t like starting new threads if there’s already one on the same topic… even if it’s from the catacombs.

[Flannel Jesus]

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Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior.

Prove it. My reading of the research leads me to believe homosexuality is determined in the womb, not after.

[ThinkOfOne]

The APA defined [homosexuality] as a disorder.

And then there's reality.

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?
No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

From <https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/orientation>

And the trolling bigotry continues from Perspective.

[Perspective]

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Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior.

Prove it. My reading of the research leads me to believe homosexuality is determined in the womb, not after.

You want me to prove to you that newborn babies don’t engage in homosexual behavior?

[Perspective]

The APA defined [homosexuality] as a disorder.

…these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II), then, was harassed into changing the definition. "Led by radicals like Franklin Kameny, pro-sodomy activists attacked psychiatrists across America, as Newsweek describes: “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos..."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123568250/The-Born-Gay-Hoax

So, the definition of homosexuality was changed from being a disorder to being normalized, not because of scientific research, but as a political move by harassing homosexual lobbyists.

The truth found in undeniable statistics is that actions based on homosexual practice make it a disorder (state of confusion) and even one that causes suffering by such confusion:

• 1. Homosexuality is not ever truly sex but involves fetishes, because sex involves the sexual organs of each, and homosexuality must resort to subsitutes... fetishes. (Fetish: any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. ) Anal sex is such a fetish. Some fetishes cause no harm, but anal sex can cause anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infections.
  
  2. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract STDs than heterosexuals.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
  
  3. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.‪ ‬
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
  
  4. Also According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those who engage in homosexual practices are more likely to have mental illness. Research also has found that, compared to other men, MSM are at increased risk of: Major depression during adolescence and adulthood; Bipolar disorder; and Generalized anxiety disorder during adolescence and adulthood. MSM are also at greater risk for other health threats that often occur in conjunction with mental health problems (i.e., co-morbidities). These include greater use of illegal drugs and a greater risk for suicide.
  
  5. Most babies are born healthy, without disorders, including without homosexual preferences. At birth, our brains are only 25% developed. This makes us less intelligent at birth than many other mamals, however it ends up in our best interest because along with more caregiving support, we are better able to adapt to environmental influences. Under various circumstances, some such adaptations result in the development of homosexual preferences. There is no such thing as a gay gene - as mentioned in the first link above.
  
  Evidence shows that the development of homosexual practices are more linked to environmental influences than to biology. Science does not support the claim that homosexuality is genetic.. Even Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts
  
  "1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior. 2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences. (Note that the focus of homosexual fetishes is limited to select countries, globally.) 3. Older homosexuals often approach the young 4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior 5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions 6. Many change their sexual preferences 7. There are many ex-homosexuals"

The homosexual herd is trying to push its way into the public - to make this disorder that statistically proves to be harmful, be accepted. Don't fall for it. Love people, not harmful behavior. IT IS CRUEL TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR KNOWN TO BE HARMFUL.

• "Tolerance applies to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance to the error." -F. Sheen