Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?

[accelafine]

Note that the writer of the OP has no counterarguments whatsoever except that I'm 'triggered'. Oooh. How very cool

I am an angry Republican!

No. You are just a wanker.

[popeye1945]

It is a legitimate question; this is perhaps my own disturbed take on it. I have always believed in the fact that biology does not follow fashion, meaning the political fashion of the moment, or times. Biological behaviors, however, do tend to be modified to suit a given cultural context. Women in primary cultures are considered to be fulfilled; to be adequate to their role in society with their first menstruation, women are complete as women the bearers of life. Men however are barren, their function in life must be learned, and they are initiated into the adult men's group to learn the role they must fulfill, if they refuse or fail it might mean their demise. From time immemorial this has been the reality. Women are held to standards of faithfulness, childcare, and keeping the home fires burning but little else. The social order has traditionally been the male function with the added responsibilities of providing and protecting the female and child, a man in these times could not be seen as foolish or irresponsible, his character must be strong if he is to be considered a man that can fulfill his responsibilities. What I am trying to say here is women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts. If a man is not able to fulfill his duties to women and children or society as a whole, he is expendable. Both the women and the society know this. These behavior patterns are as old as the history of the human organism and imprinted through the eons of time. The spirit of the times however strays far from this imprinting at times, and when the imprinted ancient behaviors surface, they are not often recognized for what they are, the nature of the human condition through the eons. politically incorrect perhaps but true to its human nature. Man cannot be seen as silly and/or weak this is not what women want or society at large.

[carlafeit]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

[popeye1945]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

"Where? Certainly not in traditional societies." {/quote]

Modern day society women pretty much do as they please, including creating chaos with rat shit crazy theories of unlimited genders, you are what you identify as. Have you been to the beach lately? The average women wear G-strings on the beach. There is no respect for the relation between the sexes. The beach today is a prime example of the opposite pole of Muslim absurdity, women confined to black bags, both are absurd, offensive, and disrespectful.

"I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional."

There is nothing fundamental about a cult; a cult is an anomaly. Cults make their own rules that are rarely in sync with the greater population, which defines them as cults.

"But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics."
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The world makes sense through order and patterns, and yes, patterns of behaviours. Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work. So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads, this used to be considered bordering insanity. The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family, which they have been very effective at, yet not a complete success. What it replaces this with is chaos. One should think before they destroy order, for the one thing about chaos is that it is unpredictable, even to the destroyer.

[accelafine]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

What are 'girly clothes'?

[Gary Childress]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

[popeye1945]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

[Gary Childress]

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

So there are women who can look a lot like men but not men who can look a lot like women? It seems like it could be argued that it is unfair or a double standard. Or should there be a kind of unisex standard for non-traditional men and women? Sometimes that seems to be the case.

Or are you simply suggesting that there should always be some kind of clear indicator of a person's gender? I think that would be a good idea. I mean, who wants to date someone and then find out one fateful evening that they're not the gender you thought they were? Or have someone in the ladies' room who doesn't belong there.

[accelafine]

"women's behavior is cut a great deal more slack than their male counterparts"

Where? Certainly not in traditional societies.

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, very traditional - and girls and women are controlled a lot more than boys or men. That's very traditional.

But when it came to clothes - my disdain for girly clothes got me some yelling at. A boy with a preference for girly clothes would get sent to one of the offshore conversion therapy clinics.

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish. Most women wear neutral clothes most of the time.'Interesting' that male fetishists choose to wear the stereotypical 'female clothes' don't you think? If they actually believe they are women then WTF does it matter what they wear? A woman is a woman no matter what she wears.

[Gary Childress]

What are 'girly clothes'?

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish. Most women wear neutral clothes most of the time.'Interesting' that male fetishists choose to wear the stereotypical 'female clothes' don't you think? If they actually believe they are women then WTF does it matter what they wear? A woman is a woman no matter what she wears.

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable. It might be considered "fetishism" to want to deliberately dress like the opposite sex.

Of course, in the Arab world pretty much anyone can wear something that looks like what the fashion world would call a "kaftan". I wonder if making women wear face covering isn't mostly an effective way to tell males and females apart over there?

[popeye1945]

Would you be OK with a male wearing a dress so long as he doesn't claim to be a woman, assuming a dress is not a safety concern or somehow not right for the activity the man is participating in? I suppose I would. I mean, if women are allowed to wear traditionally male fashions, then it seems fair to allow men to wear traditionally women's fashions so long is it's not some kind of safety concern.

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

So there are women who can look a lot like men but not men who can look a lot like women? It seems like it could be argued that it is unfair or a double standard. Or should there be a kind of unisex standard for non-traditional men and women? Sometimes that seems to be the case.

Or are you simply suggesting that there should always be some kind of clear indicator of a person's gender? I think that would be a good idea. I mean, who wants to date someone and then find out one fateful evening that they're not the gender you thought they were? Or have someone in the ladies' room who doesn't belong there.

Well, we seem to be pretty much on the same wavelength, women and men are different, they behave differently and have different functions, behaviours in society. There is a standing relationship between the genders, which is common to species, natural biological behaviours, and attitudes, they are two aspects of one thing, the species, and it is chaos to confuse them. Confusion is chaos. Cultures change and sometimes in direct opposition to the well-being of nature and its creatures, adapting to a sick culture does not make one healthy. A culture that believes in multi-genders is not healthy.

[carlafeit]

What are 'girly clothes'?

You mean you don't know?

[carlafeit]

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish.

I am a little confused here. How does a man in a dress walking down the street force you to participate in any kind of sexual fetish?

[carlafeit]

Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work.

Works for whom?

So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads,

At which point did I anything about "identity"?

The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family

Are you on glue?

[carlafeit]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?